Iowa cops: If someone in your house has a CCP, it is grounds for a no-knock SWAT raid

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Background: Iowa cops deploy SWAT in a no-knock raid against a house looking for credit card fraud suspects (!!!). One resident narrowly escapes being shot because he hears "police" just in time (well after SWAT made entry) and put away his handgun. SWAT team then destroys surveillance cameras. Homeowner is rather upset.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/02/04/as-many-as-nine-cops-raid-home-over-alle
http://whotv.com/2014/02/03/raid-fi...family/#ooid=ZxMm9pazrKflCHiIxAwv4WBYLnNs68PS

The follow-up is even more disturbing, because the justification given by Ankeny police for the level of violence they used is because one of the residents (and not a suspect in the credit card fraud case) has a concealed carry permit.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...etails-about-the-violent-police-raid-in-iowa/

Sounds like another argument for Constitutional carry.
 
All involved are lucky he actually believed them and put his handgun away... because criminals have never impersonated police while invading a home.

I hope he sues, if nothing else he should get the damages paid for as a stupid tax from the PD.
 
How many times did that WP article say "register his guns"? I didn't try to count but it was repeated over & over. Also confused a carry permit with an ownership permit.

Anyway, the points raised about the raid are still valid. Simply being a gun owner is not reason to be treated as a potential threat, this was seen in the FL man stopped in MD as well. Lets hope this gets the same eventual result, an apology and a change in procedures at minimum.
 
I also wonder if the chl played some part in this... Does this mean the police see lawfully armed citizens a threat? I think the sheriff/chief shoud be made to answer some hard questions.
 
There appears to be a lot more to this than what

is originally posted here. The Police Chief held a press conference and gave their side of this issue and, to me, on the surface it appears not nearly as egregious, if it is at all, as what it is originally made to sound. The subjects of this search warrant are a long way from getting any apology or being able to file a law suit in my opinion.
 
The subjects of this search warrant are a long way from getting any apology or being able to file a law suit in my opinion.
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No knock swat team raids on non-violent offenders because one person in the house has a CCW permit (which implies they have a handgun) should not be acceptable. As reported, that is the reason for that type of search.

Cannot go into much else on the story without deviating from THR topics.
 
moewadle said:
is originally posted here. The Police Chief held a press conference and gave their side of this issue and, to me, on the surface it appears not nearly as egregious, if it is at all, as what it is originally made to sound. The subjects of this search warrant are a long way from getting any apology or being able to file a law suit in my opinion.
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My takeaway from the police chief CYA points:

- Suspects had potential access to weapons. So does every single adult in America, clean record or not.
- Active warrants. For drug possession, a non-violent crime.
- Drug history. Irrelevant.

If "potential access to weapons" is reason enough for a no-knock raid from SWAT, then there is essentially no limit to SWAT deployment. If CCL/CCP rolls are to be used for this purpose, I would rather not get one.

The police chief also claimed that no one opened the door and everyone hid. Looking at the video before the camera was sabotaged, the residents were given about two seconds before the battering ram was utilized. So that is a least untruthful claim, in grand government tradition. Looks like the "knock" is little more than legal cover so that they can claim later than it wasn't a "no-knock" raid, despite giving the residents no time to respond.

These police procedures are ticking time-bombs when many American households keep firearms for self defense.
 
- Suspects had potential access to weapons. So does every single adult in America, clean record or not.
- Active warrants. For drug possession, a non-violent crime.
- Drug history. Irrelevant.
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yeah, because armed dopers never commit violent crimes....
 
My wife and I love to cook. You wouldn't believe how much "potential access to weapons" my kitchen has. We own three vehicles as well. Glad those have never been used as weapons by anyone.
 
I don't really understand the the police departments logic. I would think it much more likely for someone to get shot crashing in the door & running in than knocking & announcing oneself. He should be fired for stupidity. His officers should also be charged with property damage. I wonder how he explains what their motive was for damaging the home owners security camera outside & covering a security camera inside. I guess they didn't want any versions different than their own of what happened to get out.
 
My wife and I love to cook. You wouldn't believe how much "potential access to weapons" my kitchen has. We own three vehicles as well. Glad those have never been used as weapons by anyone.
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toss in having prior illegal drug arrests, current outstanding warrants for illegal drug violations, and more than average chance of firearm possession you might be in trouble.
 
I don't really understand the the police departments logic. I would think it much more likely for someone to get shot crashing in the door & running in than knocking & announcing oneself. He should be fired for stupidity. His officers should also be charged with property damage. I wonder how he explains what their motive was for damaging the home owners security camera outside & covering a security camera inside. I guess they didn't want any versions different than their own of what happened to get out.
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could it be that the cops don't want drug dealers/users to have videos of actual police tactics?
 
could it be that the cops don't want drug dealers/users to have videos of actual police tactics?
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I would be more inclined to think it is just jack booted thugs. I know there are good cops but stuff like this is BS. These types of tactics should be outlawed as they get too many cops & innocent citizens killed.
 
I would be more inclined to think it is just jack booted thugs. I know there are good cops but stuff like this is BS. These types of tactics should be outlawed as they get too many cops & innocent citizens killed.
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well courts have shown lately that if the cops are wrong the victim gets paid well. time will show with this one I guess.
 
Still no excuse for a citizen to have his rights violated. Ownership of a firearm, or a CCP, is not and should not be a reason for police to violate anyone's constitutional rights.
 
Irrelevant because of a lack of a violent crime record.
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oh you missed it where I agree with you because armed dopers never commit violent crimes.
 
On the one hand, society has changed to the point that cops (and normal citizens) really have much to fear from the population at large, laws that were meant to give crooks the benefit of the doubt but those same laws that get in the way of the law abiding. On the other hand, cops aren't the officer friendly they once were not to mention crooked DA's and prosecuters. I figure the good cops equals the bad (or just burned out) but the real problem is that government is far too big and immune. I'm 52 and retired from my department 17 years ago due to injuries and I have to say, I'm not encouraged by the guys that replaced me, IMO nobody normal would be a cop today, too much BS.
 
george29, it does take a different kind of person to put up with the crap facing cops now-a-days.
 
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