Zundfolge
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This is a dupe of a locked thread ... wonder how long 'til Jeff finds this one 
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=324198
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=324198
Minn. man shoots cops after SWAT team kicks down wrong door
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DoubleTapDrew
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This is happening way too often, usually without even an appology, let alone a "here's a check for a new door and to patch our bullet holes". I don't want harm to come to cops or citizens, but maybe the more this happens the more they'll realize they need to double-check the bleeping address before they kick in someone's door.
Here's another version of the story:
Yet another version said they confiscated weapons on the other raids they conducted during the weekend. Didn't say if weapons were what they were looking for or not.
This is happening way too often, usually without even an appology, let alone a "here's a check for a new door and to patch our bullet holes". I don't want harm to come to cops or citizens, but maybe the more this happens the more they'll realize they need to double-check the bleeping address before they kick in someone's door.
Here's another version of the story:
Yet another version said they confiscated weapons on the other raids they conducted during the weekend. Didn't say if weapons were what they were looking for or not.
cassandrasdaddy
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its a sad side effect of the "lets make a deal" syndrome. they catch some genius for something and offer the olg sdongbird act. you squeal you fly away. so the genius gives up anyone to get off. even if he has to make something up. the guys they catch are not members of the high iq club.
tuckerdog1
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Guess this is why only the police should have guns. nobody gets hurt
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Officers'Wife
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Hi Daddy,
While you may have a strong point, let's not forget these alledged professions apparently did not bother to verify their information. With the surname 'Kang' I have to wonder if the homeowner isn't from the Asian portion of the old Soviet Union and was having flashbacks of KGB type law enforcement.
Selena
While you may have a strong point, let's not forget these alledged professions apparently did not bother to verify their information. With the surname 'Kang' I have to wonder if the homeowner isn't from the Asian portion of the old Soviet Union and was having flashbacks of KGB type law enforcement.
Selena
wuchak
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The Minneapolis police department needs to issue an immediate release stating that they will no longer use no-knock warrants. Short of that the good citizens of Minneapolis need to tar and feather the police commissioner and run him out of town and replace him with a commissioner who will adopt such a policy change.
Neo-Luddite
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"It's unfortunate because we have officers that were hit by gunfire and this truly, truly could have been a much worse situation."
Yeh pal-- like those poor guys in body armor who failed to have accurate intel might have slaughtered a citizen and his family in their own home.
I'll assume that is what he meant.
Yeh pal-- like those poor guys in body armor who failed to have accurate intel might have slaughtered a citizen and his family in their own home.
I'll assume that is what he meant.
highorder
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how is it possible that highly tranined officers can not get even a single round on target?
don't they have training in these types of situations?
don't they have training in these types of situations?
Nicky Santoro
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What is going to happen to this guy?
Blue Wall of Silence goes up...
Perjury occurs to cover up incompetence....
Homeowner charged.....
Same stuff.... different day
Blue Wall of Silence goes up...
Perjury occurs to cover up incompetence....
Homeowner charged.....
Same stuff.... different day
average_shooter
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This is either going to be closed (ibtl) or merged with the other thread. Or it will be allowed to devolve into ten pages of "cop bashing" before the lock...
yongxingfreesty
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*** is going on. i cant believe no one was hurt, that is a good thing. charged for protecting your home and family is not right.
LiquidTension
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My department serves between eight and ten thousand warrants statewide every year. We do ZERO no knocks. We always announce. We've never lost an agent, and since our department was created over 50 years ago we've only killed one perpetrator.
Sure, knocking and identifying ourselves will give them time to destroy evidence on occasion - but if we're at the wrong house (easy to do when none of the trailers have numbers on them ) we find out BEFORE a firefight breaks out.
Sure, knocking and identifying ourselves will give them time to destroy evidence on occasion - but if we're at the wrong house (easy to do when none of the trailers have numbers on them
) we find out BEFORE a firefight breaks out.highorder
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this is the type of policing I expect and happliy pay for.
chipperi
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This just makes me "GULP" my address is 359 .... rd Lot 13, there is a 373 .... rd lot 13 as well. .... rd is kinda dogleg shaped so it appears to be the same road but it is not. I cannot tell you over the last 5 years how many times I have had the Sullivan County Sheriffs Office pounding on my door looking for the moron that lives at 373. I have complained time and time again to the SCSO and they always send me a form apology. There is a sign in my front door that reads "Third shift worker don't knock...and in the event you are too stupid to read the mail boxes this is 359 not 373!" Did this help you might ask...Nope I still get cops collectors repo men ups dhl fedex even the damn mail carriers get it wrong. This really makes me think how bad a shtf situation could be. Is the guy wearing all black a cop or a criminal? If I see a gun and don't hear "police!" I cant say I wouldn't do the same thing.
rufus1
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I really would like to know how this ended that night. I am very supprised this guy is still alive.
I mean, they (SWAT) broke into the wrong house, and then went upstairs and took fire. Then they shot back and missed but then didn't kill the guy when they caught him? If they took fire in the stairs, returned fire and missed, I am sure they went up the rest of the stairs and caught the homeowner at gunpoint. I have never heard of an incident where any 'assumed' perp fired at the cops point blank and was left alive. How did they know at that split second that the guy shooting at them wasn't the bad guy and finish him off in an upstairs room?
I mean, they (SWAT) broke into the wrong house, and then went upstairs and took fire. Then they shot back and missed but then didn't kill the guy when they caught him? If they took fire in the stairs, returned fire and missed, I am sure they went up the rest of the stairs and caught the homeowner at gunpoint. I have never heard of an incident where any 'assumed' perp fired at the cops point blank and was left alive. How did they know at that split second that the guy shooting at them wasn't the bad guy and finish him off in an upstairs room?
MNJack762
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My twelve year old son, who is reading this over my shoulder, thinks that the police department better offer this Vang guy a job ASAP as he is the only one who seems to be able to shoot under pressure.
MJ
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As a retired officer and COP I believe a big part of the problem is too many new cops, make that all cops, watch too much TV and movies depicting
BS police tactics. It scared me when we would interview applicants and they truly believed what they saw on TV was how it really was. Don't know how many arguments I got into with the State Academy idiots who stressed more weapon and tactics than common sense. I mean it goes all the way to the highest agencies, need we recall Waco, Ruby Ridge. In both cases a phone call to the suspect probably would have resulted an incident free arrest.
When I retired I figured it would only get worse before it got better and it sure seems to be going that way. When I took part instructing in CCW classes I always walked away feeling like the citizens had a better handle on the use of deadly force than most officers driving the beat.
If you ever get the chance to talk to an officer ask him what the state staute say about the use of deadly force, see if he can recite what the law is, you'd be surprised how many have no idea. I can tell you that every officer that worked for me knew what the law was. I told them they better be able to answer when a citizen asks because I encouraged citizens to do just that.
BS police tactics. It scared me when we would interview applicants and they truly believed what they saw on TV was how it really was. Don't know how many arguments I got into with the State Academy idiots who stressed more weapon and tactics than common sense. I mean it goes all the way to the highest agencies, need we recall Waco, Ruby Ridge. In both cases a phone call to the suspect probably would have resulted an incident free arrest.
When I retired I figured it would only get worse before it got better and it sure seems to be going that way. When I took part instructing in CCW classes I always walked away feeling like the citizens had a better handle on the use of deadly force than most officers driving the beat.
If you ever get the chance to talk to an officer ask him what the state staute say about the use of deadly force, see if he can recite what the law is, you'd be surprised how many have no idea. I can tell you that every officer that worked for me knew what the law was. I told them they better be able to answer when a citizen asks because I encouraged citizens to do just that.
Millwright
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To me this story has a rancid odor........
Not to say anyone kicking in a door in the wee hours that gets shot has any reason to complain afterward - regardless of what paper he's carrying or how many times or loud he hollers some jargon.....IMO these "no knock raids" are just excuses of convenience for PDs, "engineered" at command, or higher, levels. I suspect the street cops doing the deed hate the concept. >MW
Not to say anyone kicking in a door in the wee hours that gets shot has any reason to complain afterward - regardless of what paper he's carrying or how many times or loud he hollers some jargon.....IMO these "no knock raids" are just excuses of convenience for PDs, "engineered" at command, or higher, levels. I suspect the street cops doing the deed hate the concept. >MW
mpmarty
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The cops might have known going in they had the wrong place for several reasons:
1. They were ABLE to easily kick in the door. No steel plating or reinforced jambs.
2. They were NOT met by multiple pit bulls, dobies or other assorted fauna.
3. The folks inside had not been forewarned by perimeter alarms and been expecting them.
Most of the druggies are very serious about security and such "no knock" warrants only exacerbate their paranoia.
1. They were ABLE to easily kick in the door. No steel plating or reinforced jambs.
2. They were NOT met by multiple pit bulls, dobies or other assorted fauna.
3. The folks inside had not been forewarned by perimeter alarms and been expecting them.
Most of the druggies are very serious about security and such "no knock" warrants only exacerbate their paranoia.
That only works if an incident free arrest is the desired result. I am pretty much convinced that in most cases these kinds of raids are shows of force meant primarily to intimidate, rather than as any kind of legitimate law enforcement tactic. The IRS started this kind of nonsense, and other agencies copied it.
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