KelVarnson
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How about "up to and including incarceration"?
Minn. man shoots cops after SWAT team kicks down wrong door
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How about "up to and including incarceration"?
cassandrasdaddy
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"I have never heard of an incident where any 'assumed' perp fired at the cops point blank and was left alive."
maybe you just don't listen well enough to hear..... i know of a case where a punk gunned down 2 cops in the police station and was captured alive to dso his time and commit crimes again
maybe you just don't listen well enough to hear..... i know of a case where a punk gunned down 2 cops in the police station and was captured alive to dso his time and commit crimes again
This is the same PD that fired Jeanne Assam for lying. It looks like they should have kept her on so they'd have at least one cop who can shoot. Let's see what happens to whoever is resposible for this disaster. I hope Mr. Khang gets a good lawyer to see this through.
armoredman
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Nice touch, Eagle! I am glad nobody was injured, but I do hope at the minimum the homeowner is compensated for damages, and the entire incident investigated to the fullest degree, OPENLY.
Hardtarget
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This happens every once in a while. I've told my family to expect me to die because any one can yell POLICE and flash some blue lights as the door is kicked in. Thing is, I know I'm NOT doing anything to bring police through my door. Things would get ugly fast...with no way to back out. 
Mark.
Mark.
the biggest problem with lawsuits like the one that im sure will take place is that they dont punish anyone... sure you can sue and get potentially millions... but all of that cash comes from the tax payers of the city... the police department, city, DA etc dont pay the judgments... the taxpayer does... its just like suing a school because an administrator gets abusive... the school might loose the suit... but the payment comes from the taxpayers, so the school board feels no loss... there damn sure needs to be more accountably
the local radios have been carrying news on this, including minnesota public radio which has actually been fair and balanced.
Early pre 6am morning reporting (prob before official voices could squeltch it) included the facts that
A. It appears the address on the warrant was wrong, that's how they ended up at Khang's house
B. The reliability of the confiential informant is being checked as well.
here is somethign similar http://http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2007/12/16/mpls_shot/
There was also an incident where a minneapolis cop ran a red, did an illegal Uturn ran up on the sidewalk a bit, and almost hid a pedestrian, who flipped him the bird and spit on him, so the cop got out and started beating him until someone called 911 and other police showed up and pulled him off.
I won't go out and say that there is absolutely no reason ever for a no-knock warrant, but such warrants should not be handed out just to help the cops preserve evidence. They should only be given out when there are hostages involved, or if the police truely believe there will be a serious gunfight and need the element of suprise. Then of course these warrants should be double and triple checked.
Second, this is more CI's lying and making up false info to lessen their own charges, and getting away with it my gut is telling me
and yes, it doesn't say much about the minneapolis police department, but then that is no suprise. They are a crazy bunch. Check out this incident where one Minneapolis cop bazes away at another cop basically because he is asian.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/archive/2007/12/the_fight_for_duy_ngos_life.shtml
There have been attacks against naked pregnant women
http://www.charityadvantage.com/CUAPB/2-25-03Newsletter.asp
Early pre 6am morning reporting (prob before official voices could squeltch it) included the facts that
A. It appears the address on the warrant was wrong, that's how they ended up at Khang's house
B. The reliability of the confiential informant is being checked as well.
here is somethign similar http://http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2007/12/16/mpls_shot/
There was also an incident where a minneapolis cop ran a red, did an illegal Uturn ran up on the sidewalk a bit, and almost hid a pedestrian, who flipped him the bird and spit on him, so the cop got out and started beating him until someone called 911 and other police showed up and pulled him off.
I won't go out and say that there is absolutely no reason ever for a no-knock warrant, but such warrants should not be handed out just to help the cops preserve evidence. They should only be given out when there are hostages involved, or if the police truely believe there will be a serious gunfight and need the element of suprise. Then of course these warrants should be double and triple checked.
Second, this is more CI's lying and making up false info to lessen their own charges, and getting away with it my gut is telling me
and yes, it doesn't say much about the minneapolis police department, but then that is no suprise. They are a crazy bunch. Check out this incident where one Minneapolis cop bazes away at another cop basically because he is asian.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/archive/2007/12/the_fight_for_duy_ngos_life.shtml
There have been attacks against naked pregnant women
http://www.charityadvantage.com/CUAPB/2-25-03Newsletter.asp
And this is precisely why I've avoided narcotic investigations and SWAT duty during the past 7+ years I've been a cop.
When I was a detective I worked fraud investigations. The two times (during 4 years of working fraud cases) that I had a search warrant I checked and doublechecked my address info, to include photos of the house which I showed to the judge during the warrant hearing. Both times I got the bad guys.
The young guys want to be cowboys. I however intend to make it to my pension - thank you.
When I was a detective I worked fraud investigations. The two times (during 4 years of working fraud cases) that I had a search warrant I checked and doublechecked my address info, to include photos of the house which I showed to the judge during the warrant hearing. Both times I got the bad guys.
The young guys want to be cowboys. I however intend to make it to my pension - thank you.
Sistema1927
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No-Knock Warrants, courtesy of the War on Drugs (tm).
The cops need to do their homework. No knock warrants on people who have never been arrested is idiotic. 
They should get sued for millions. That is the only way it will stop... Maybe charge the cops with attempted murder might stop them also.
They should get sued for millions. That is the only way it will stop... Maybe charge the cops with attempted murder might stop them also.
coylh
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Sounds like the home owner might as well have used a paintball gun.
TexasRifleman
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He's alive and the illegal attack on his home was stopped.
I'd say it worked out just about as well as one could hope.
It's tough to make your home defense plans around multiple intruders with body armor.
ConstitutionCowboy
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Obviously, this house was never staked out to find out who lived there or what was supposedly going on in the house.
Mr. Khang and family should come out of this very rich.
Woody
If you want security, buy a gun. If you want freedom, carry it. If you want longevity, learn how to use it. B.E.Wood
Mr. Khang and family should come out of this very rich.
Woody
If you want security, buy a gun. If you want freedom, carry it. If you want longevity, learn how to use it. B.E.Wood
Rob62
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I would guess, there are several things going on here. First would be shoddy police work. Second would be shoddy police work. Thrid would be; "Hey, we get to use all our bad*** ninja cop gear Homeland Security bought for us. We got MP5s, body armour, helmets, nightvision... let's go kick some ***!"
I figure when they kicked in the door and announced (if they actually did), Mr. Kang was probably fast asleep, which means he never heard the warning. Even if he did hear it, being up two flights of stairs, it probably just sounded like shouting and someone busting his door down. Coming up the stairs he probably didn't see anything but their flashlights and couldn't tell who was behind them. Fortunately no one died as a result of this idiotic policy. No knocks are a recipe for dead cops and citizens.
I figure when they kicked in the door and announced (if they actually did), Mr. Kang was probably fast asleep, which means he never heard the warning. Even if he did hear it, being up two flights of stairs, it probably just sounded like shouting and someone busting his door down. Coming up the stairs he probably didn't see anything but their flashlights and couldn't tell who was behind them. Fortunately no one died as a result of this idiotic policy. No knocks are a recipe for dead cops and citizens.
jaholder1971
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My old man spent 31 years in Law Enforcement and never liked no-knock warrants. He said they were a tool for certain situations but said the old school Vice and Narcotics cops were always able to get their man and get their evidence/dope without them in the past.
never_retreat
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And this is why I keep my rifle next to the bed NOT a shot gun.
Everyone of those idiots should be fired. All the way up the chain of command.
Everyone of those idiots should be fired. All the way up the chain of command.
Old Dog
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Have we covered any new ground in this thread? I think not. There's a consensus here; it's pretty obvious, so why does everyone keep piling on? Just curious.
xd9fan
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Couldnt agree more I hope the family sues the dept's a$$ off.
The damn dept cares more about what an "informent" tells them then the Rights of law abidding citizens.
What measures does the Dept have are in place to protect against wrong info???
How the hell are no knocks, Constitutional???
average_shooter
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Who was it that said; If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention
c.latrans
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Have we covered any new ground in this thread? I think not. There's a consensus here; it's pretty obvious, so why does everyone keep piling on? Just curious.
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The piling on keeps occuring because ........well...........incidents like this keep occuring.
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The piling on keeps occuring because ........well...........incidents like this keep occuring.
crashm1
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Not in Mpls they won't. The Mpls police dept has done this sort of thing (wrong address) before on a semi regular basis. They seem to have a culture that encourages aggression when dealing with citizens. They have even promoted a guy with several excessive force complaints that have cost the city millions to head one of the precincts (<that looks all wrong even after spell checking).
I'm getting tired of the policehelping me feel "secure". I think I'd rather be insecure and free of them on the whole.
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