Is .44Mag a practical self defence caliber?

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I have often heard that .44 Magnum is a hunting cartridge, and strangely in spite of all its power and the large caliber, its actual shooting statistics aren't really that dazzling - at least according to Sanow's numbers.

I am still however fascinated by its potential as a carry caliber, probably because of the incredible S&W 629 3 inch with the unfluted cylinder that Gary Oldman's character carries in "The Professional".

Does the .44Mag have any practicality for personal defence,or is it best left to the movies?
 
There IS a wide range of loadings available;with some being more of a .44Spl +P...others approach the whole medium game hunting thing.
There used to be fast hollow points in the 180 -200 grain range;I am thinking a LSWCHP ,maybe with gas checks/medium hard cast could be useful at the full spectrum of pressures/velocities.
.44Mag saavy handloaders out there;what say you???Doable in a 3-5 inch L frame/???strictly a 5 shot ;or are there viable six-shot DA's out here (besides the Redhawk)??
 
I wouldn't use it for SD, personally.

1. If you have to use it for that purpose, some creative DA could say that you thought you were Dirty Harry and out to shoot someone with your ultra-super deadly cop-killer 44 magnum. (Same for handloads, bad juju for SD. A DA would try to paint you as a bloodthirsty Dirty Harry/Rambo type looking to kill someone)

2. Noise and muzzle flash will blind and deaf you for a few seconds, especially if you're inside a building.

3. Hard to conceal, if you're looking for a CCW gun.
 
A friend of mine fired one accidentally at his television years ago. He couldn't heart his wife yelling at him, the police, or the neighbors whose garage door mechanism was damaged.

Not an indoor gun.

If by "personal defense " you mean against bears, and outside, OK if you can handle it.

That's with a long barrel.
 
I have some .44mag reloads that are not really in the "magnum" class. They are hotter then .44 Special but will not cycle a Ruger autoloading carbine. I don't have access to a chronograph. They have 240 grain wadcutter bullet. I would hate to fire it inside but will if I have to. It is more than required but will accomplish the task.
 
I have the S&W model 29-8. Not that it couldn't be concealed, but I sure as hell wouldn't have it in cocked in the holster :)

All guns are accurate when fired properly. At 10 yards, I was planting about 1 1/2" patterns. Problem was, I could only fire about 20 rounds due to the friggen twist & kick of the pistol. It stays in my diamond back safe. I wouldn't use it for home defense except as a last resort as it would go in/out of the bad guy, through the wall, and whatever's on the other side. I use my Kimber Ultra Carry & Para LTC for home defense with a cheap-o Wally World 12 gauge for backup.
 
Like Kleanbore said, it's best to keep it subsonic for general self-defense purposes. I'd say a gun in .44 mag is fine, just carry specials until you're out in the woods, then power up if you'd like. .44 special is a pretty good social worker, I'd feel comfortable with it.
 
thats right i totally forgot about the D.E. but thats a hand cannon. no way you are gonna conceal that thing. i just dont understand why no one uses that caliber more. its a tried and true round, and as someone already pointed out it can stop a bear. so why not? they can make a 3 inch s&w 629, why not a sub compact or service XD, or SIG?
 
.44 mag. for self defense

Self defense handgun experts have always contended that the weakness in the .44 mag. has been it's slow rate of recovery from recoil in comparison to other smaller cartridges. Loaded with .44 spec. this is eliminated and repeat rate of fire is comparable to other self-defense cartridges. Terminal ballistics of the .44 spec. and the .45 acp are almost identical, and no one could accuse you of being some magnum crazed killer. IMHO you should buy the firearm you want and load it according to the expected use, it will serve you well.
 
I carry one hunting and carry one CCW the Smith & Wesson airlight. Nice gun either way but it is large and be sure of your target and whats beyond. I personally would not recomend it I carry one because I live where there are moutain lions, and bears so I like to have a gun for defense of man and beast but the main reason is I can hit at good ranges so it works for me.
 
i just dont understand why no one uses that caliber more.

slow recoil recovery, huge guns, deafening concussion, blinding muzzle flash, dangerous over-penetration.

That enough?

As folks have said: no, it's not a "practical" self-defense caliber against people in the areas where you usually find people.

-Daizee
 
Unless you have large animals trying to come through your window at 2am, there are better choices than the .44 Magnum loaded with full power loads. The .44 Magnum was the brainchild of Elmer Keith, and as most High Roaders know he was a big game hunter and outdoorsman who loaded the .44 Special to higher pressures for increased penetration (remember that word) :) on big game animals. Remington loaded it in a longer case, and voila the .44 Magnum was born. The penetration, along with the previously mentioned muzzle blast, recoil, and slow recovery make the full power loadings a poor choice.

Will the .44 Magnum stop a bad guy? Sure it will, and the bad guy behind him, the vehicle in your driveway, the vehicle in your neighbors driveway, etc etc.

Go to www.handloads.com, click on Linebaugh Seminar Penetration Tests, and check on how many inches the .44 Magnum will penetrate. It will surprise the heck outta ya, especially with the heavyweight bullets.

Use the .44 Special standard loadings and you will be fine.

+1 on all the other points mentioned.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
As a former owner of a S&W Model 29, I believe that it would serve well in a home defense situation if loaded with the lighter .44 Specials. I found one at a sweet price years ago and bought it. It was fun to own and shoot for a while, but it was too large for CCW unless you are a giant. For the purposes of CCW, better and more compact handguns are available. Remember, this comment comes from a guy known as a wheelgun lover, so I certainly have no ax to grind against large revolvers.


Timthinker
 
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they can make a 3 inch s&w 629, why not a sub compact or service XD, or SIG?
First the grip will be large due to the length of the cartridge. Then you have to have a way to operate the action. Springs won't be much help because to have a spring or springs strong enough to handle the forces generated by the cartridge would make cycling the slide by hand extremely difficult. Most if not all of the .44 magnum pistols used a gas system. This will add size to the receiver/frame. So you could make a short barreled .44 magnum semi-auto but it still will be a large gun.
 
I believe I saw some 44 special 200 grn LSWCHP rounds for sale at the Sportsmans Warehouse. I thought of it as the 44 FBI load. haha.
 
I compete with (IDPA) and carry a 4" barrel 629 regularly. I often use an IWB kydex holster from Hoffners if I want to be really concealed, but it doesn't print all that noticably with just a pull-over shirt over it, even with an OWB holster. (I'm 6'-1", 205 lbs) Though, what I consider "acceptable" printing might not be the same as what you do. I'm in PA and there is no requirement not to print, or to stay concealed at all, for that matter.

My competition loads are 200 gr. Lead Round Nose at about 825 fps. Which is exactly the same weight and velocity I load .45 ACP to. Very controllable. I can get split times in the 0.28 sec. range (as opposed to sub-0.20s with the 1911) -- I'm more slowed by the long, heavier trigger than recoil.

My social and light woods loads are kind of a .44 Spc. +P. 200 gr. Hornady XTPs at 1250 fps. They're in a .44 Spc. case, but are more of a light .44 Mag load.

I do keep some real .44 Mag rounds on hand (300 gr. at 1200 fps), but don't use them for either comp or carry 99% of the time. I just don't need that kind of power unless I'm hunting or hiking pretty far off the beaten path and really think I might need such oomph to annoy a bear.

I have, on occasion, shot the magnums in club competitions and, with the adrenaline flowing after the buzzer goes off, it's just not that big a deal. Other shooters watching say there's a lot more noise and blast, but if your technique is sound it won't throw you off all that much.

(I do chrono my loads, so can say with certainty what velocities I'm getting from my gun.)

Having said all that in defense of the .44 as a sidearm, I usually don't carry it in purely social situations as I find a 1911 (and the reloads for it, especially) to be a little more comfortable to carry and a little more easily concealed. The autoloader and mags just ride more flat against my body than the wheelgun and speedloaders.

On to the question of penetration: Even the mild 200gr/1250fps load is going to penetrate quite a bit. Certainly more than a factory .40 or 9mm or .45ACP.

"Overpenetration" is ALWAYS a factor with ANY round you shoot in ANY situation where something beyond your target could be hurt or killed. There's no guarantee that even some powder-puff 9mm is not going to exit an attacker's body and go on to do damage to someone else. Further, if you've done much shooting -- certainly if you've done any practical competition -- you'll appreciate that not every round you fire is guaranteed to even hit your intended target. So the problem of "overpenetration" by a heavy round is greatly overshadowed by the far greater risk of damage from every round that passes by your target and goes on to hit something else -- regardless of what caliber it is!

Having said that, yes, there is a marginally greater risk of damage (from bullets that hit the target and pass on through and those that don't even hit the target first) when those rounds are faster and heavier than some other choice. Point is, you have to account for what your bullets will do to whatever is behind your target every time you shoot in every situation from the range to the battlefield and with every cartridge you shoot, from .22 CB shorts to a 4-bore elephant gun.

I won't say that I don't worry about overpenetration with warmer .44 cal loads. I will say that I don't worry about such "collateral damage" more with them than I do with my .45 or any other round I choose to shoot.

SO, if you want to carry a .44, find a round that you can handle (remember, .44 Russians also work!) and practice a lot. Then remember to always shoot in a responsible manner, regardless of what you're shooting.

-Sam
 
I have a 4" Model 29-2 for self-defense. There's no reason to use magnum rounds when you can use specials. With 200gr. Federal or CCI self-defense ammunition, the .44 Special is pleasant to shoot out of a 4" 29, and extremely accurate. It's as effective as any .45acp revolver or auto. I plan to carry mine this winter when it's cold enough to wear a sweatshirt or sweater every day.
 
Great post Sam1911! I agree completely with your comments on overpenetration vs hitting what you're shooting at! I can't comment on the .44 mag for CCW as I've never carried one except when hunting but in my humble opinion, you just can't beat a good 1911 for self defense.

Another Sam
 
I keep one of my 41 mags stoked at home. I have cowboy loads in it.

To answer you question, the 44 magnum is not a practical self defense caliber unless it is loaded with low powered loads or you're are defending against a four legged animal. It would make a good zombie gun. You might be able to shoot doubles.
 
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