Is a .38 snubby enough?

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They work and work good for what they were intended to do.

I carry one a lot when traveling out of state in warm/ hot weather.

They conceal nice and -- lets face it no one wants to get shot. And if you do have to shoot, it will do the job. For years it was the standard, and there is a reason why.
 
I think so, but I carry a 12 oz 357 that shoots 180 gr SJHP @ 1000 fps.
Just as small but more in the 45 ACP power range, and yes I can control it.

Mike G.
 
Hi all. Just wanted to say a big "Thank You" to the starter and all the contributers to this thread. We've been looking at .38 snubs and hoped to find some good discussion/reviews on them. "To the HIGHROAD!" we said, and here was this thread waiting to offer guidance. Now its "To the gun-shop!"

All the best - Doc
 
I usually carry a Glock model...whatever mood strikes me, but most often lately it is a 19C with one spare mag.

That being said...I have an older Smith Model 37 Airweight .38Spl. I let it sit in the safe for years, and never carried it.

I had an offer to buy it, and hauled it out of the safe.

I forgot how neat it really was. It weighs nothing, and has a really nice action...so I took it to the range, and was pretty happy with it. It is a little shooter. Recoil is stiff with 110gr +P jhp's...but a new set of wood Hogues cured that.

It shoots great, the .38 +P is a decent stopper, and I wouldn't feel undergunned carrying it.

The Taurus Ultra-Lite models have a lot going for them too. My friend has one in .357, but carries it stoked with .38's.

BTW...I decided not to sell it!
 
by my old house a guy tried to rob a kwiky store, and the store owner shot the dude with a .38 special, .. end result the robber died leaning against the counter..
 
I was a skeptic, but now I'm feel very confident with a steel snub nose .38. Here's how I got converted.

A few years ago I fired my Father-in-law's lightweight .38 special. I didn't like it. First of all, it was too light for high-volume practice with decent ammo. Secondly, I had to work really hard to make decent hits on the target. So, I dismissed the snubbie as inadequate. I decided to keep using my medium-framed 9MM for primary and carry my little .25 ACP Raven as a backup (not much of a backup-up, I'll admit). Then something happened to make me re-think the whole snub nose issue. My 9MM needed servicing, so I was going to be without decent protection for at least a couple of weeks. I remembered my father-in-law's gun and thought I should at least consider a J-frame revolver.

I began to research guns and ammo and discovered that the Speer Gold Dot 135 grain Short Barrel round had very good results in bare gel and through 4 layers of denim. By this time a small amount of real-world data was beginning to appear on the internet, too. I decided to use the same criteria for the snub nosed .38 that I had used to choose 9MM guns and ammo. I decided to go out and look at some revolvers and hold them in my hand. I also fired a few.

I only had $200 to spend, so I looked at used top-name guns as well as new Taurus and Rossi guns. I decided to buy an inexpensive NIB Rossi 351, which is a blued, 2" barreled .38 special with very comfortable (but ugly) rubber grips. I fired the Taurus 85, which I liked, and which was only slightly lighter than the 24-ounce Rossi 351. I figured the recoil of the heavier gun would about the same as the Taurus, or maybe even less, making it even easier to handle. I am a big man, so the heavier gun would not be any more difficult to conceal than a light-weight version. I was right

I am very pleased with the Rossi. I must admit the trigger pull was way too hard for a man with severe arthritis, so I changed the mainspring. I used a spring from an older Rossi 68, trimming off three rounds of coil (one at a time, with testing in between). The gun is much easier to shoot in double-action mode, and it still goes, "bang" every time. I also got some small, wood grips to use in smaller pockets, for better concealment.

After 600 rounds of standard loads and a couple of hundred +P's, I can handle the Rossi 351 pretty well. I don't normally do any "rest" shooting, except to determine accuracy. I did enough rest work to know that this gun shoots very close to POA at 10 yards and 25 yards with standard and +P 158 grain ammo and with 135 grain +P's as well. I can ring the 50-yard gong with it, and hit human-sized targets consistently, grouping in the "kill zone" most of the time. I practice in double-action mode for the most part.

At the range, some of the guys say I should have bought a lighter gun. Then they fire mine. The consensus is that the lighter guns are more fun to carry, but the real steel deal is more fun to shoot.

I like my real steel snubbie because I never even think about recoil reflex, and it is small enough to carry anywhere, anytime, with any clothing that I would care to wear. I still carry my 9MM pistol whenever it is convenient, and I keep it in the car even when it's not on my person. I also carry the .38 snub in my pants pocket, with or without the 9.
 
Last year, one of my friends was involved in a botched drug deal and he was shot in the head by a .38 snub w/ JHPs, crumpled in his carseat immediately, and was pronounced DOA 10 minutes later at the hospital. His friend was riding in the passenger seat, opened the door of the car to escape, and was shot once in the abodomen by another .38 round- he then limped 20 feet, and collapsed. He was in critical condition at the hospital, and has recovered since.

So, to recap, in this case I know of personally, only two shots were fired, and two people were incapacitated/critically wounded. I think the .38 works.
 
Light years ago, I found myself in a situation driving in an area that I knew was dangerous but knew that my zippy little car would get me from point A to point B very quickly way before i would be noticed by lookouts who raise the alarm. I was not alone but my passenger was unarmed and as we were zipping through the curving street that led only from A to B (or B to A) he was apprehensive but I reassured him that it was only dangerous to back track. I get to the end of the road and the T intersection where I need to turn is only 50 ft away but blocked by a wide trench (city was laying new sewer). This point was secure already and I gotout to see if there was any way I could cross over.......as you guessed my only option was to go back and around (to get back to this same point the long way would take 20 minutes as opposed to 3 or so the dangerous way).
Halfway into the neighborhood was where 'they' attempted to 'jack' us, and there was a newly hastily formed barricade of rocks and blocks in the road, as I slowed we got hit by two or three rocks and more were sure to follow as I stopped to move the cinder blocks, knowing this is where we get ambushed (even cops rarely enter and I was a stupid off-duty cop at the time...I knew better), as I stepped from the car I shot a few rounds in the air of the only thing I had on me (S&W M-60 .38 only) as I quickly moved a few blocks and zipped out. The only damage was a small crease in the roof of the car.
Once out of the neighborhood and calm (sorry, won't say where but it was definitely inner-city) I called the non-emergency number (before 311 was available) and spoke to one of the dispatchers who I knew and asked if they had recieved any shots-fired calls? The answer was no. This neighborhood was not the kind to call 911 as they knew that response time would be from nill - forever and nobody was stupid enough to get involved for a dumb cracker; not the kind of place to be if you are in trouble.
I learned many lessons from that incident (one of many that I had), one was to get rid of the .38 and get something that I felt when shooting (I know all about adrenelin and what it does to the hearing and muscles, that .38 still felt like a .22 and even with two speedloaders I knew I was undergunned). The second lesson was that occassionally, we find ourselves in situations (sometimes through stupidity) where we are out of our realm and luck has much to do with the outcome.
I now carry a .44 Bulldog and a NAA as backup as a civillian, but I know it is only as good as my luck will allow me. By no means is any one weapon sufficient which is why Police carry at least one handgun and one long gun in each vehicle, and motorcycle officers almost always one in the pocket.
Though I carry a revolver, sometimes I wonder if a G-30 wouldn't be better.
My conclussion is that any weapon will do the job when the assailant is alone (or with one other person at most), coherent, un-medicaided and has enough intelligence to keep the drool inside their mouth, otherwise you had better be close enough, or good enough to hit the head.
 
My computer was doing some wierd stuff as I hit "Submit reply" and I see it replied 4 times instead of once, tried to delete the first 3 responses, wasn't able to, sorry.
 
dodging, if your friends frequently die in botched drug deals you might want to consider trading them in on a better and more durable set of friends :confused:
 
dodging, if your friends frequently die in botched drug deals you might want to consider trading them in on a better and more durable set of friends

He was more of an acquaintance than a friend, but I had known him for a long time, and he was a nice guy...just had serious problems at home. He was only 16 years old...
 
I carry two steel framed S&W M36s. Very nice to shoot, and I hit what I aim at. That being said, the one time that I thought I needed to use one (a varmint of the 4 legged variety,turned out to be a false alarm), I was wishing I had my 1911 .45 or one of my large frame revolvers in 44 or full house 357. Everything is adequate until you have to use it and then NOTHING is big enough or has enough bullets. I remember hearing about a police officer several years ago being asked why he carried a .45. He answered "Because they won't let me carry a .50!"
 
1911user said:
Show me an ultralight (alloy, scandium?) snubby chambered in 357. They exist for 38 and fit a nice compromise of capacity, power, penetration, and weight (small, lighter pistols have many more concealment options). Anything in the SP101 class isn't even close; use an alloy J-frame S&W as an upper weight limit. Those can be concealed effectively wearing just a pair of shorts; anything heavier will print.

The 340PD is a 5 shot 357mag that only weighs 12oz empty. As a comparison, my 642 5 shot .38spc is 15 OZ empty... I wish i had bought the 340PD now ;) Someone wanna buy my 642? ;) Though i dunno if i'd like the recoil of a 357 from a snub that light + small

Edit: wow @ old thread.
 
Husker1911:

I agree with you. A good wadcutter at about 800 to 900 fps will do the job. An arguement can be made that it is a better load.

I have reverted to the caliber and platform I best bonded to. The 1911 in .45. But, for many years a medium frame .38 Special was my primary and I was not at all uncomfortable.

I keep two Government Models and a Kimber Ultra Carry for primary use now. I prefer the GM. The Ultra Carry is for those rare hot days, which is uncommon here in Ohio.

It ain't the size/speed of the bullet, it ain't the size of the gun. It is where you put that bullet that counts. Use what works best for you. And dress around your gun. Nudists are not a consideration.

Jerry
 
As an afterthought on this thread, I have had more problems with revolvers than with autopistols. When a revolver goes out of whack, it is time for serious smithing. I have not had one issue where an auto was completely disabled. I keep two 1911 GMs, because I had so many revolvers go out of time, or lock up completely. I never needed the spare GM, but paranoia has its demands. :)

Mind you, this comes from one who actually prefers revolvers. They just look and feel right to me. I only wish I shot them as well as I can shoot a 1911. I have a Colt's Single Action Army, if it had the sights and a speed lock, it would likely be my favored carry gun. Alas, I cannot bring myself to have these mods done to my only example of a classic.

The 1911 will do. It is my social handgun. But, dam, those Colt's D-frames were nice, too. If only I shot them as well.


Jerry
 
the .38 snubby DS, Cobra and Agent were carried by generations of plainclothes private and police detectives. I think that speaks for itself. Yes, the snubby will do fine for most everyday situations.

Like your name Megatronrules. I've seen Starscream on this and other gun forums too, the traitorous fool!
If the snubby fails you, you could just transform into your Walther P38 mode;)
 
I like to think .38 snubbies would do just fine.

But.......what got me thinking maybe not was seeing that guy outside a California(?) courthouse a few years ago chasing that attorney around a tree and shooting him at point blank range. The attorney was on his feet the whole time and survived something like 3-4 hits at 3 ft.

I know, bullet placement is everything, but I'd like to have a little more than that.
 
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