Is a Benelli M4 that much better than A Remington 1100

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Im feeling like I settled a little bit on my Remington 1100 tac 2 but I have always liked the Benelli M4, are they worlds apart, in terms of reliablity, I have not had a chance to shoot my 1100, Remington is standing behind their product and sending me a new tripper assembly to fix my brand new gun, Im happy about that, with all things being equal, the marines use the M4 the army uses remington 870's and mossburg 500's, just looking for some info on both pro's and cons of both models as HD or just fun shotguns to shoot. The 1100 I just bought is my first semi auto shotgun

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with either model. It comes down to personal preference.
A friend of mine is the service manager at a GM dealership. Some years ago they got in a brand new Corvette with no piston rings installed. S**t happens.
 
The M4 is a much newer basic design built by a company with much better QC, if you have the money I'd always go with the Benelli, however I think the M1/M2 are a better shotgun than either and basically split the difference in price.
 
The Benelli is a better made gun, hands down. I would argue that from a reliability standpoint, some would say it's a tossup. The Benelli is more finicky with the way you shoot it, less with what you shoot. The opposite is true of the 1100. If I had the money and didn't already own an 1100, I would have strongly weighed my options. As it is, the 1100 is more at home on the Trap and Skeet ranges than I think the Benelli would have been.
 
I think the Bennelli M4 is a purpose designed and built combat shotgun. It is gas operated and thus in a different league than most other Bennelli shotguns.
It is overbuilt and built to last. It is probably the best S/A combat shotgun on the market.

On the other hand there is nothing wrong with your Remington. It is a tried and true design with stacks of aftermarket.
 
I won't allow that the Benelli is one bit "better". It is newer, it is different, and it is ooooooh aaahhhhh I-talian (moment of reverence), but that means squat to me. I will come completely clean - that is a negative to me. It is very interesting that when they came to design a top of the line tactical shotgun, Benelli did NOT utilize the world's finest, cleanest burning, most reliable, miraculous, fastest, Tom Knapp endorsed, yada, yada, "Inertia" driven action. Nope, they went to a gas operated action. A lot more like the 1100 then revolutionaryly different. Amazin'.
The basic 46 year old 1100 action has been adapted to every shotgun use known to man. I do not dispute that the M4 is a better tactical shotgun; I do not know, but I believe it to be the case. In as much as it was designed for that end I would sure as hell hope it has an edge on a standard field/target gun with a few add ons.
It's like the old 870 versus Winchester Model 12 argument. I have owned and shot a Model 12. I have a friend who collects them and sits in the duck blind and lovingly caresses them. I much prefer a Wingmaster. It works every bit as good, I like the feel and balance better, it is as or more reliable from everything I have seen in 61 years, and it costs a lot less money to make and buy. I do not care that some craftsman did not have to sit and file and polish individual parts to get that 870 to tick properly. Neither pump is a fine English double and no amount of handwork will make them one. If a part does break on an 870, 99.9% of the time it's a 5 minute parts swap fix. More often than not with a Model 12 it's time to go see the gunsmith. That does not spell 'better' to me.
If you think something is better, you are absolutely entitled to your opinion, but let's not stir opinions and facts too much please.
 
The basic 46 year old 1100 action has been adapted to every shotgun use known to man.

I'm with Virginian on this one. I've owned both, though not tactical models. I prefer the 1100. Buy the 1100 and spend the extra $1K plus on ammo. :)
 
I won't allow that the Benelli is one bit "better". It is newer, it is different, and it is ooooooh aaahhhhh I-talian (moment of reverence), but that means squat to me. I will come completely clean - that is a negative to me. It is very interesting that when they came to design a top of the line tactical shotgun, Benelli did NOT utilize the world's finest, cleanest burning, most reliable, miraculous, fastest, Tom Knapp endorsed, yada, yada, "Inertia" driven action. Nope, they went to a gas operated action. A lot more like the 1100 then revolutionaryly different. Amazin'.
The basic 46 year old 1100 action has been adapted to every shotgun use known to man. I do not dispute that the M4 is a better tactical shotgun; I do not know, but I believe it to be the case. In as much as it was designed for that end I would sure as hell hope it has an edge on a standard field/target gun with a few add ons.
It's like the old 870 versus Winchester Model 12 argument. I have owned and shot a Model 12. I have a friend who collects them and sits in the duck blind and lovingly caresses them. I much prefer a Wingmaster. It works every bit as good, I like the feel and balance better, it is as or more reliable from everything I have seen in 61 years, and it costs a lot less money to make and buy. I do not care that some craftsman did not have to sit and file and polish individual parts to get that 870 to tick properly. Neither pump is a fine English double and no amount of handwork will make them one. If a part does break on an 870, 99.9% of the time it's a 5 minute parts swap fix. More often than not with a Model 12 it's time to go see the gunsmith. That does not spell 'better' to me.
If you think something is better, you are absolutely entitled to your opinion, but let's not stir opinions and facts too much please.

Because only you are privy to the facts? Laughable.

This statement found in your quote pretty much sums it up:

I do not dispute that the M4 is a better tactical shotgun

Pretty much the only thing in your ramblings that pertains to the original post.
 
I have experienced two catastrophic failures with Remington semi-autos. A broken link and a sheared block on the action bars put the gun out of commission completely. The Benelli is a better designed and certainly better built product than anything being ground out by Remington these days.

I'll use an 1100 when the worst outcome is a missed clay or lost bird. I won't rely on one to protect my life. You get what you pay for.
 
I'm not overly impressed with the 1100. I own an old one, mainly as a backup gun for birds and clays. At the moment, it's worth more to me to have it, than I can sell it for, and it works fine. I don't mind taking it out in weather.

But it's an ancient design, cuts my finger when my skin is dry due primarily to utter laziness on the part of Remington. The trigger is crappy, the trigger reach is too long for the LOP (seems to be made for a 5'7" guy with 6" fingers).

It's relatively reliable. It's rather well-balanced.

But it's a design that belongs in another era, and was intended for hunting, not combat (or combat-simulating competition).

I think a used 1100 is worth the price it commands, if you don't mind some of its little shortcomings. I sure wouldn't pay for a NEW one.

I can't speak from experience about the M4, so I won't. Benelli tends to be a tad overpriced, but I have yet to see or use one that was a lousy gun.
 
I would say that Youngster nailed it in post #3. I recently went looking for shotguns of that ilk and noticed this:

1100 Tactical for $800. I thought it was way too muzzle heavy.

M4 for $1600. Muzzle heavy, but not as much as the 1100.

M2 for $1200. Least muzzle heavy of the bunch. The most "lively" in the hands as well.

All of my impressions were while unloaded with pistol grip stocks, and I doubt the muzzle heaviness is going to get better with ammo in the tubes. If I had to pick that day from those choices, I would have the M2. This would be for a competition/fun gun. After reading more on this site, I've changed my desire for a home defense shotgun to a 20" pump with a normal tube to keep things lighter and faster handling. Then I can burn the $900 I saved on the gun on ammo/reloading supplies/training while I get to know the pump.
 
Toonces said:
I would say that Youngster nailed it in post #3. I recently went looking for shotguns of that ilk and noticed this:

1100 Tactical for $800. I thought it was way too muzzle heavy.

M4 for $1600. Muzzle heavy, but not as much as the 1100.

M2 for $1200. Least muzzle heavy of the bunch. The most "lively" in the hands as well.

All of my impressions were while unloaded with pistol grip stocks, and I doubt the muzzle heaviness is going to get better with ammo in the tubes. If I had to pick that day from those choices, I would have the M2. This would be for a competition/fun gun. After reading more on this site, I've changed my desire for a home defense shotgun to a 20" pump with a normal tube to keep things lighter and faster handling. Then I can burn the $900 I saved on the gun on ammo/reloading supplies/training while I get to know the pump.

Or $750 for a converted Saiga-12. Buy 5 x 12 round mags for $250... and have $200 left over compared to the M2... and probably the LEAST muzzle heavy (ammo is closer to the trigger hand), most versatile, fastest reloading, highest capacity shotgun of the bunch. . . . BEST suited for Combat and Combat Simulation Games.
 
I own a 'I don't even know when my grandfather bought it' old 1100.
It has been a good firearm.

The only problem anyone has had with it is getting a shell stuck under the bolt with the bolt closed. That's just because they didn't push the shell in all the way and the feed ramp slips down behind it and the shell pops out on the other side of the feed ramp. Things like this happen when you aren't familiar with a firearm.
I think that a M4 would be better than a 1100, but I wouldn't pay the money for it. I would buy a Mossy 590A1.
Can't beat a pump for reliability.

I keep my 1100 reasonably clean, and I think it has failed to eject properly.. maybe twice that I can think of.
 
1100 only way to go

Not even close. Keep in mind the OP is looking for a tactical SG. Birds and clays, it's (IMHO) a toss. For serious work, nope. :rolleyes:

Agree that the M1/M2 is the most cost effective.
 
Badger Arms said:
SN13 said:
Or $750 for a converted Saiga-12.
Uh, WHERE? You'd end up spending in the $650 range for an unconverted Saiga alone. Can you do the conversion for $100? Trigger group, Stocks, Piston... where again?

I can find Saiga-12s for right at $600 after shipping/transfer or tax locally.

And yes, I CAN do the conversion for $100-$150....

Let's cover the parts man:

G2 trigger: $30
Tapco SAW Grip: $20
Tapco AK buttstock: $30
SaigaTechUSA.com Trigger-Guard: $50

$120... and my time.

Misc. Parts:
7/32 E-Clips: $0.50
Nylon Hole Plugs: $1.00

But what do I know, I've only converted 5 of them. :rolleyes:


OH, look at that: Saiga-12 In Stock $550 + Shipping.

$30 to ship. $30 to Transfer. (Estimates based on my experiences) and you have it in your hands for $610. $120 for conversion that anyone can do. and for $730 you have your Saiga-12....
 
Remington 870 for a pump and 1100 for an auto, No other way to go for me. Italian workmanship isn't that special. I work for an Italian company, I would know. But in the end, it is all about what makes you happy!
 
One of the biggest advantages of the Benelli is the pistol grip. The Remington pistol grip has always felt too thin and too frail for me. The Benelli is nice thick, and chunky; feels much better and seems a lot sturdier.
 
I can find Saiga-12s for right at $600 after shipping/transfer or tax locally.

And yes, I CAN do the conversion for $100-$150....

Let's cover the parts man:

G2 trigger: $30
Tapco SAW Grip: $20
Tapco AK buttstock: $30
SaigaTechUSA.com Trigger-Guard: $50

$120... and my time.

Misc. Parts:
7/32 E-Clips: $0.50
Nylon Hole Plugs: $1.00

But what do I know, I've only converted 5 of them. :rolleyes:


OH, look at that: Saiga-12 In Stock $550 + Shipping.

$30 to ship. $30 to Transfer. (Estimates based on my experiences) and you have it in your hands for $610. $120 for conversion that anyone can do. and for $730 you have your Saiga-12....

Says, $525, not $550
 
I would have gone with the Benelli, but that's just because I am a Benelli fanboy. I don't know how I would have been able to justify the price to myself though. That's probably the reason I don't own an M4.
 
I think in order to keep things in perspective one has must analize the uses it one was designed for.
The Remington is a sporting shotgun and modified to be 'tactical'. For the use it was intended to fill it is great. The Benelli, on the other hand, was designed from the ground up to a combat arm. For a strickly HD shotgun, the edge would go to the Benelli from a design stand point although when all is said and done, they both do their job and do it well. IMHO, the average user (us) will be well served with either one.
 
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