Is AMERICA the ONLY country in the WORLD that allows concealed carry?
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"Anything goes" might sound good to you from the point of view of allowing you to do what you want, but bear in mind it applies to all others as well and if someone else's intentions don't exactly mesh with your own, it could easily work against you.
As far as actually using a gun in a self defense scenario, I can speak for my country. The system here works heavily in favour of the person who shoots a would be criminal - as long as the weapon is licensed. Gun licenses (with the exception of sporting permits) are issued specifically for that purpose - to protect yourself, your family and your property from criminals. A number of people I know have shot in self defense and none were punished for doing so.
One fellow however, came under some scrutiny after a criminal was allegedly shot from his upstairs balcony with a shotgun. A neighbour had received a call from a police friend informing him that a boatload of armed smugglers running from the police had grounded their boat near his home and were fleeing uphill towards his property. He called his neighborhood watch group and they assembled at his home. Gunfire was heard, and soon one of them broke through the hedges and was crossing his lawn. When they shouted at him to halt, he spun towards them while backing quickly towards cover. A shot rang out and the man disappeared into the trees.
He was found dead a couple of hundred yards away, identified as one of the smugglers, but he was also unarmed. In court, my buddy argued that based on the information he got from the police and the gunfire he heard, he was in fear for the safety of his family, but the prosecution countered that he shot an unarmed man from the safety of his balcony. His lawyer got the case thrown out on the grounds that it could not be proven that it was his gun and not one of the police shotguns that actually killed the guy. Forensic science/ballistic investigation was not exactly state of the art here at the time.
A month ago I myself was forced to draw on a young thug threatening me with an icepick in the middle of a large crowd after a minor traffic altercation. Though it was a very close call, I ended up not having to shoot and the gang I was facing left the scene. Unfortunately however, someone reported to a nearby police detachment that I was threatening people with a gun. I ended up being detained briefly at the scene, but after presenting my license and explaining what had happened, they returned my gun and released me with a nod and a smile. Later I was told by their commanding officer who happens to be a friend, that if I had shot the guy, it would have been fully justified. I am thinking about posting a thread about this in Strategies & Tactics.
So, in a nutshell, the laws and system here make it a bit difficult to get a CC permit, but once you pass muster and get one, you are supported if you ever HAVE to use it.
As far as actually using a gun in a self defense scenario, I can speak for my country. The system here works heavily in favour of the person who shoots a would be criminal - as long as the weapon is licensed. Gun licenses (with the exception of sporting permits) are issued specifically for that purpose - to protect yourself, your family and your property from criminals. A number of people I know have shot in self defense and none were punished for doing so.
One fellow however, came under some scrutiny after a criminal was allegedly shot from his upstairs balcony with a shotgun. A neighbour had received a call from a police friend informing him that a boatload of armed smugglers running from the police had grounded their boat near his home and were fleeing uphill towards his property. He called his neighborhood watch group and they assembled at his home. Gunfire was heard, and soon one of them broke through the hedges and was crossing his lawn. When they shouted at him to halt, he spun towards them while backing quickly towards cover. A shot rang out and the man disappeared into the trees.
He was found dead a couple of hundred yards away, identified as one of the smugglers, but he was also unarmed. In court, my buddy argued that based on the information he got from the police and the gunfire he heard, he was in fear for the safety of his family, but the prosecution countered that he shot an unarmed man from the safety of his balcony. His lawyer got the case thrown out on the grounds that it could not be proven that it was his gun and not one of the police shotguns that actually killed the guy. Forensic science/ballistic investigation was not exactly state of the art here at the time.
A month ago I myself was forced to draw on a young thug threatening me with an icepick in the middle of a large crowd after a minor traffic altercation. Though it was a very close call, I ended up not having to shoot and the gang I was facing left the scene. Unfortunately however, someone reported to a nearby police detachment that I was threatening people with a gun. I ended up being detained briefly at the scene, but after presenting my license and explaining what had happened, they returned my gun and released me with a nod and a smile. Later I was told by their commanding officer who happens to be a friend, that if I had shot the guy, it would have been fully justified. I am thinking about posting a thread about this in Strategies & Tactics.
So, in a nutshell, the laws and system here make it a bit difficult to get a CC permit, but once you pass muster and get one, you are supported if you ever HAVE to use it.
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Cosmoline
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I seem to remember that SA has some really odd gun laws. IIRC their strictest rules were against .22 rimfires because of their association with poaching.
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Very, very few countries have laws as "liberal" as our laws. In many of those middle eastern and former-soviet bloc countries, they may have plenty of weaponry in the hands of the common person, but it is generally not technically legal. All those countries "require" registration/licensing/etc, but it is not enforced because, well, the police force is small and those people obviously aren't going to let go of their weaponry - guns and other weapons which we could never even legally purchase as civilians in the US.
The US is incredibly unique in the world for more than one reason, the respect and acknowledgment of the importance of the citizen being one of the main reason. At least, that's how our country was founded. How many people, civilians included, think of things now is quite disturbing to say the least.
The US is incredibly unique in the world for more than one reason, the respect and acknowledgment of the importance of the citizen being one of the main reason. At least, that's how our country was founded. How many people, civilians included, think of things now is quite disturbing to say the least.
Twin Cities carry had a nice chart about the changing law.
Up until the 1970's you could conceal-carry anywhere without any permit simply because it wasn't addressed in the lawn, hence it was legal.
I think in some countries that was the case as well. (Heck, in the England of the Era of Sherlock Holmes even they could (and did) go about with handgun in the pocket)
However, I think we are the only country that thanks to formalized RKBA have been able to stem the tide and actually turn back such laws outlawing concealed carry, or at least reached the 'comprimise' of allowing it with permit
Up until the 1970's you could conceal-carry anywhere without any permit simply because it wasn't addressed in the lawn, hence it was legal.
I think in some countries that was the case as well. (Heck, in the England of the Era of Sherlock Holmes even they could (and did) go about with handgun in the pocket)
However, I think we are the only country that thanks to formalized RKBA have been able to stem the tide and actually turn back such laws outlawing concealed carry, or at least reached the 'comprimise' of allowing it with permit
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Curious. In some years there are no murders in the entire country. The population is only about 300,000, with near 100% literacy.
Violent crime is not really connected to gun laws at all. Good or bad. Firearm freedoms simply help to create equality among young and old, male and female, able bodied and handicaped.
Places with a single homogeneous population, of one culture and one ethnicity, with a decent standard of living often have very low violent crime.
The most ethnically, politically, and culturally diverse places in the world tend to have the most violence.
Standard of living plays into the equation as well.
Both the United States and many parts of the Middle East for example are culturally, ethnically, politically, and religiously diverse.
While a place like Iceland is one people, with one culture, with a very tiny number of people that are not of the same religion, political beliefs, ethnicity, culture and standard of morality.
Quite simply very different people believing very different things, who have different values, cultures, appearances, and genetics (which effects everything from body/brain chemistry to behavioral predispositions) simply don't get along as well together.
Strict censorship (which I don't agree with at the government level) can also play a role in many places, keeping the same standard of morality and acceptance throughout the entire population. Keeping values and morals similar in the entire population, and acceptance and non-acceptance of various behaviors or beliefs mainstream. That can be both legal censorship or voluntary censorship based on things like religious values enforced by the community.
Japan is an often cited example. (and they have horrible gun laws.) Even in such a massive population the homogeneous population is not prone to homicide (but is prone to suicide.) They all think in a very collective way.
Shame is strong in anything done that is outside of what is expected by family or society. The wants and desires of the individual are culturally less important than those of the group.
So the culture does not see many manifestations of selfish homicides.
That is not to say that culture is better overall, in fact the extremely strong and pervasive culture of fantasy and escapism could be attributed to it. People seem to enjoy fantasy to a much larger extent, even more than thier own realities there.
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You'll also find that in more dense areas with the forementioned diversity, people don't really get to know each other or each others' kids... it is easy for criminals to develop and thrive in that environment. A small country town, on the other hand, and it is less likely to happen.
Speedo66
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Gun possession has very little to do with the homicide rate.
If people want to kill each they will find a way, be it knives, clubs, machetes, or stacking tires around people and igniting them.
Iceland, and the other nordic countries, all have low murder (and other crime) rates.
More to do with their society model than the ability to possess guns.
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The Philippines, I discovered on my last visit earlier this year still has provisions for carry permits. You must first have a license to own a firearm (as far as I know, all guns are registered) and then you can apply for a permit to carry. I'm not too sure what the exact requirements and process are, as the guy at the gun store told me that the permits are only available to citizens. The cops in my wife's hometown though told me that they're available to everybody.
I don't know what the regs are there on Full Auto and cans there, but I did see an MP-5SD with the four position trigger group for about $900. I also saw some M4's with the fun switch for a little over a thousand, those were stamped U.S. Government.
I don't know what the regs are there on Full Auto and cans there, but I did see an MP-5SD with the four position trigger group for about $900. I also saw some M4's with the fun switch for a little over a thousand, those were stamped U.S. Government.
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I saw a lot of open carry in Guatemala.
Glocks mostly ...
Argentina has CCW permits. Military and police personell are pretty much automatically granted due status.
Public servants have to apply, private citizens have to demonstrate the need (rural area, carry cash because business, etc)
Glocks mostly ...
Argentina has CCW permits. Military and police personell are pretty much automatically granted due status.
Public servants have to apply, private citizens have to demonstrate the need (rural area, carry cash because business, etc)
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CCW is permitted in Israel. We've all heard and read the stories of terrorists there getting gunned down by armed mothers and other citizens.
In one such incident described in John Lott's book "More Guns Less Crime" the (one) surviving terrorist of a group of three was quite annoyed after his escapade. He and his (dead) coherts had intended to kill a bunch of innocents at the first location they attacked, and then quickly move on to several more locations to continue perpetuating their mayhem. But as soon as they began their initial attack they were quickly dispatched by armed citizens.
Yeah!
In one such incident described in John Lott's book "More Guns Less Crime" the (one) surviving terrorist of a group of three was quite annoyed after his escapade. He and his (dead) coherts had intended to kill a bunch of innocents at the first location they attacked, and then quickly move on to several more locations to continue perpetuating their mayhem. But as soon as they began their initial attack they were quickly dispatched by armed citizens.
Yeah!
None that money cant buy in the Philippines, but in general if you go by the book only citizen of the that country are allowed to have Firearms (licensed renewable every two years) and permit to carry concealed (renewable every year). And yes you can own and license any firearms with full auto selector switch capable. You can even get a permit to carry concealed an M4 for example, but for the life of me, how do you conceal it specially in that country with hot and humid weather. I know quite a few friends who have permits including yours truly as I hold dual.
But the funny things is effective a month or so ago, no one is allowed to conceal waist carry anymore including off duty LE, only in bags, brief case or fanny pack anything not attach to the body. Talking about a bunch of administrative LE morons who initiated this ridiculous directive.
But the funny things is effective a month or so ago, no one is allowed to conceal waist carry anymore including off duty LE, only in bags, brief case or fanny pack anything not attach to the body. Talking about a bunch of administrative LE morons who initiated this ridiculous directive.
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I've read that panama is pretty easy to obtain a gun permit in. I've also read that a permit to own a gun is a permit to carry it concealed and loaded as well. I don't think they are true shall issue,ut it very easy to obtain the license if you have a clean background.
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Most countries do have some form of legal gun carry for citizens. Heck, you can even get a permit to carry a concealed handgun in Britain! Of course, only politicians and a few people under threat from the IRA are able to get them. I think there's a few hundred nationwide, in a country of 60 million.
A lot of countries like Switzerland offer permits to people who deal with large sums of money or valuables, jewelry store owners for example, or people with a very specific reason e.g. being stalked.
Not sure what the laws are in Yemen/Iraq etc, but apart from that I think America is probably the only country with 'shall issue' concealed carry. Everywhere else has varying degrees of stringent criteria and bureaucracy.
A lot of countries like Switzerland offer permits to people who deal with large sums of money or valuables, jewelry store owners for example, or people with a very specific reason e.g. being stalked.
Not sure what the laws are in Yemen/Iraq etc, but apart from that I think America is probably the only country with 'shall issue' concealed carry. Everywhere else has varying degrees of stringent criteria and bureaucracy.
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