What country has most firearm freedoms?

[gcerbone]

I have a friend who has a co-worker that lives in the Philippines and it has stated that your "rights" depend on how much money you have.

Like it does in NY, CA, NJ, etc?

 

[crunker]

India's pretty good about guns, all you need to do is get a license and then you can carry a handgun, and purchase and own as many longguns as you like. Open-carry is (I believe) illegal. High-power and full-auto air-rifles may only be owned if you're part of a gun club. The only way to get f.a firearms is to be a celebrity or a law enforcement officer. However, if you are an L.E., you can take that privately owned f.a. home, and no one will carry. Even if you illegally own an f.a., you can bribe the police. They will be bribed about anything so long as the press isn't involved.

 

[Molon Labe]

Anyone know anything about New Zealand's gun laws?

 

[DRZinn]

Re: Israel

If I had to choose, I'd rather have only two guns with little to no restriction on when and where I can carry them than be able to buy as many as I want and leave them at home.

 

[Glockfan.45]

Sad I always had such vivid dreams about Switzerland.

 

[silverlance]

eh

my gf is bulgarian. i went to bulgaria last dec.

i heard gunshots in dec ALL THE TIME.

nobody batted an eye. a friend there in college told me that he and his friend would sometimes go to the PARK to shoot at some trees.

guns are highly restricted by ownership is extremely common. enforcement is almost nil and police are always open to "negotiations".

he introduced me to his best friend. went down to basement.

aks, smgs, full auto, GRENADES, everything.

i wasnt all that surprised. after all BG made nearly all of those guns lol

remember that johnny cash song about the 64 cadillac? a lot of that goes on too.

btw: my gf also went to mil school in 7th grade. she is an extremely slow but ridiculously good shot with ridiculously inaccurate guns and ammo.

pops clay pigeons at 200 yards with a mosin nagant 91/30 PU using czech silvertip thats so old we have to wipe the green off first before chambering....

good grief.

 

[MIL-DOT]

i used to ( and still occasionally ) crew on a yacht now residing in roatan, honduras. last year they a got a carry permit a for 9mm. auto. they don't exactly licence the individual, but the weapon itself, with possible users listed on it. they take the gun and fire a round for possible future ballistics comparison, ya pay yer money, and you're packing !!
they're not citizens,or even residents,( i don't think) i believe they're just running on regular visas. to what degree they had to grease the wheels of justice, i'm not sure, but i know lots of americans living there freely own and carry.

 

[DRZinn]

remember that johnny cash song about the 64 cadillac? a lot of that goes on too

You mean the 49/50/51/52/53/57/55/56/57/58/59 automobile?

 

[bamawrx]

doc,

Two guns no restrictions...That would be interesting indeed. Not sure what I would do, but I would probably go something like this: M-4 and 1911. Naturally, the wife would have G-18 and Remington 700 all dressed up.


Mill
Never thought of Honduras. I will have to do some checking on that one. Is the country basically safe? Do you have any local contacts in real estate?

Thanks

 

[fighterthiefmage]

What are the laws in Australia?

 

[tenbase]

What are the laws in Australia?

Imagine CA + MD + NJ + NY times 10.

 

[White Horseradish]

WRT Eastern Europe, my wife is a very recent immigrant from Ukraine. According to her, it is possible to own guns in Ukraine; they even have a gun store in her home town. There're some legal hoops to jump through and the guns (by their standards) are expensive but they can own rifles, shotguns, and handguns.
Incidentally, it is one of the tropes of gunboards that soldiers in the USSR were illiterate, poorly trained, and not very good shots. The Kalashnikov, it is said, was designed to compensate for all that. Let me tell you something, my wife_and all her relatives that I've met in this country_were all trained on the AK in middle school! All of them, to this day, are excellent shots and know how to handle a Kalashnikov, a Simonov (as they call the SKS), and a Makarov. I think our concept of what the average Red Army conscript was like may be a bit off.

WRT handguns she is wrong. Handguns are not allowed in Ukraine.

However, other ex-Soviet republics are better on this issue. Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Moldova and Georgia all allow handgun ownership, and some of them even allow carry, albeit with some silly caliber limitations.

 

[johnsonrlp]

Imagine CA + MD + NJ + NY times 10.

You forgot HI, WI, and IL.

 

[wingnutx]

None of it is legal because at the behest of our esteem military leaders, Iraqi law has recently changed to ban all civilan gun ownership.

When I was there in 05, every Iraqi was allowed to have an AK-47. This was A-OK with the brass, since the people obviously have serious self-defense needs, and disarming them would be a fight we didn't want.

It was made very clear to us that simply holding a rifle did not make a civilian a bad-guy.

Got a link concerning the change to disarmament?

 

[ezypikns]

Good Lord.

Why the discussion?
Most of the third world is a cesspool. Anyone who has traveled abroad to any extent knows that this is the greatest, most free, generally best place to live in the world.

And as far as firearms freedom, there is NO place in the world like it.

Period.

 

[another person]

Bulgaria sounds interesting. Does anyone know about Germany, Russia, and Romania?

Somalia doesnt sound too safe. I mean, are there any Americans at all living there? I thought they hated us. Same with Iraq basically. Would it be safe there for American civilians?

 

[Sam Adams]

But it sounds like he's telling tall tails. NIB AKs can't sell for $25 @. That must be close to their production cost.

If the "production cost" consists of stealing the guns from someone else or the government, then it is really irrelevant. The $25 is pure profit to the seller - much like the US-based common thief will gladly sell you a Rolex for $100 to get some quick cash and get the item out of his possession. Remember, most African countries are pretty much lawless in practice.

 

[Joe Gunns]

Realistically, there ain't nowhere else to go. Which is why the people that don't like guns are the ones that should leave. They have a wide choice of first-world coountries to choose from.

Despite local restrictions in various states, we are, in fact, the last corner of the globe where the firearms freedom and the related right to self-defense exists. Every one of us needs to be balls out in defense thereof. If it ends here, it ends.

 

[Lupinus]

depends on how you look at it

Overall? I would say America

In many countries anything you want can be had for a price, and few people are going to bother you. But most of those countries your right is in the hands of the local war lord. Plus the nasty buisness of constant battles in the street.

 

[White Horseradish]

Bulgaria sounds interesting. Does anyone know about Germany, Russia, and Romania?

Somalia doesnt sound too safe. I mean, are there any Americans at all living there? I thought they hated us. Same with Iraq basically. Would it be safe there for American civilians?

Here's the situation in Russia:

Shotguns may be purchased by licensed people 18 and older. Gun license requires getting paperwork from a doctor stating that you are mentally fit. To buy a gun you also have to be a member of a hunting club, but that's mostly a formality. Each gun is written into the license. Guns with multiple sets of barrels in different calibers take up multiple entries in a license. I think the maximum is five.

After 5 years of owning a shotgun you can get a rifle license.

Handguns are forbidden unless you are presented with one by some state entity as an award. Generally, you either have to be a war hero, own a politician or donate several thousand dollars worth of equipment to your local police.

There is also a weird class of "self-defense weapons", which include "traumatics" - firing rubber bullets, tear gas pistols and "tear gas pistols with ability to fire traumatic ammunition". These also require a license and registration.

There is a also a gun collectors license that does not limit the number of guns, but by Russian law if a gun is officially classified an antique, firing it may be classified as "destruction of a historic artifact".

 

[ETXhiker]

I think the intent of the thread was which countries had the most gun freedoms legally. Just because you can bribe someone doesn't make it legal. Looks to me like the USA wins hands down. Some 200+ year old thing called the second amendment, I've heard.

 

[Lucky]

Wingnutx the US military has policy, but the Iraqi gov't has been writing a constitution. And guess what that constitution says? A)owning firearms is a right B)Owning firearms is theoretically possible with gov't permission

 

[wingnutx]

That does not tell me anything about what the current law is, or address his statement that the military pressed the Iraqi government to ban civilian gun ownership.

 

[MIL-DOT]

hey BAMWRX..... yeah,i think honduras is fairly safe, i mean it ain't like el salvador in the 70's.i've been there for a month at a time several times, but except for driving a jeep down there for my boat freinds, my experience is limited to the bay islands. generally, islands generally are safer than their mainlands because it's easier for the local authorities to keep a handle on things.
as for real estate contacts, get in touch with jim bob burdette ( or is it burnette ?) . jim bob's a real good guy, he knows everybody and everything on roatan. he works for john edwards real estate,THE real estate kingpin on roatan. their main office and base of ops is parrot tree plantation. don't get me in trouble here....but resist the urge to "go to the top", just talk to jim bob. i have his card....somewhere, but if you're interested, he'll be easy to find on the computer.
mark

 

[Trabuco]

".....This seems to be the case in many countries like Costa Rica, which states in many web sites that CCW is not possible, however Gabe Suarez told me you can get the permit. As he put it, you will need to "do business" with the guy that has the power to give you the permit. "

This quote above is 100% B.S.