Is Buffalo Bore +P .380 ok in the LCP?
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The manual states:
Not sure if that helps since it makes no specific mention of +P.
Not sure if that helps since it makes no specific mention of +P.
MICHAEL T
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I don't belive he is a member So he isn't required to hold to the standards As for SAAMI this is no +P in 380 They have never set any standards as they have in other calibers.
I shoot all Corbon in my 3 kel tecs That makes them lively enough I don't see need for more when DPX is around.
I shoot all Corbon in my 3 kel tecs That makes them lively enough I don't see need for more when DPX is around.
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If cabela's had had any cor-bon I would have gotten that; this was the only "defense" round they had, last box, and I was out of my Hornady TAP.
I'll try it until I can locate some Hornady Critical Defense and see how that runs. I haven't been able to make this gun malfunction yet... 6 different brands of ammo.
I'll try it until I can locate some Hornady Critical Defense and see how that runs. I haven't been able to make this gun malfunction yet... 6 different brands of ammo.
According to Ruger Customer Service, no +P
This is the response to an E-mail I sent them:
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Request No: 7755
Comment / question:
Is it alright to use .380 +P ammo in the LCP for concealed carry use?
I would not make a practice of shooting +P all the time. I just want it in case I actually have to use the gun for personal defense.
I would imagine firing a box of 25 through it to ensure proper function but other than that I'd use regular ammo.
I am thinking particularly of the Buffalo Bore 380 ACP +P 95 Gr FMJ.
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Ruger recommends firing only SAAMI specification ammunition in the LCP. No +P ammunition should be used.
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This is the response to an E-mail I sent them:
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This e-mail is in response to your question or comment of 08/05/2008
Request No: 7755
Comment / question:
Is it alright to use .380 +P ammo in the LCP for concealed carry use?
I would not make a practice of shooting +P all the time. I just want it in case I actually have to use the gun for personal defense.
I would imagine firing a box of 25 through it to ensure proper function but other than that I'd use regular ammo.
I am thinking particularly of the Buffalo Bore 380 ACP +P 95 Gr FMJ.
Response:
Ruger recommends firing only SAAMI specification ammunition in the LCP. No +P ammunition should be used.
If you need further information, please visit our website at www.ruger.com or contact us at:
Revolvers, shotguns, rifles, 10/22 Charger Pistol: (603) 865-2442
Pistols: (928) 778-6555
Serial Number History Information: (603) 865-2424
Please note: This e-mail is sent from a notification-only address that cannot accept incoming e-mail. Please do not reply to this message.
Sincerely,
Ruger Firearms
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interesting... Michael says SAAMI standards have not been established for .380, though. So what does +P mean?
I'm think what michael is saying Buffalo bore is not a member of SAAMI so is no required to hold to their standard.
Standard pressures for most cartridges, including 380 ACp can be found here:
http://www.lasc.us/SAAMIMaxPressure.htm
+P would be up to 10% over standard pressure. +P+ anything over thast with no upper limit.
Standard pressures for most cartridges, including 380 ACp can be found here:
http://www.lasc.us/SAAMIMaxPressure.htm
+P would be up to 10% over standard pressure. +P+ anything over thast with no upper limit.
gglass
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Just go with what has proven to be the best all around .380 acp cartridge available. The Remington Golden Saber 102gr has been shown in test after test that it is superior and usually costs less per round than any other premium SD round made today.
This is a list of scores of independent tests and most show the Remington GS at the top of the heap:
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1199737660
There are others, but it's late... I'm heading to bed.
Good luck.
This is a list of scores of independent tests and most show the Remington GS at the top of the heap:
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1199737660
There are others, but it's late... I'm heading to bed.
Good luck.
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It would seem to me that the bb round is clearly NOT standard pressure (whether SAAMI has set standards for the +p designation, or not). Their 90 gr. JHP has a muzzle velocity of 1175fps, and an ME of 267 lbs. Compare that to you standard pressure rounds, and then tell me you think the +p designation is an advertising gimmick ;-).
I think the only real question is: SAAMI DID set standards on the .380, would BB be +p, or +p+?
I think the only real question is: SAAMI DID set standards on the .380, would BB be +p, or +p+?
until there is a saami standard set for 380, to me anyhow a +P or ++P is merely unsubstantiated hype. It might be the hottest round out there but that does not make it +p or ++p or what ever.
Iknow many who shoot it in the lcp's and other than a report of stiff recoil, it has caused no harm to any guns that Ihave read about.
It is not cheap, so not sure it wold be daily fodder for rangeuse anyhow but for carrying and shooting for reliability, this round by many users is the cats nuts.
I prefer 102 golden sabre and dpx..
Iknow many who shoot it in the lcp's and other than a report of stiff recoil, it has caused no harm to any guns that Ihave read about.
It is not cheap, so not sure it wold be daily fodder for rangeuse anyhow but for carrying and shooting for reliability, this round by many users is the cats nuts.
I prefer 102 golden sabre and dpx..
TurboFC3S
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I think next will be p^2 ammo ... and then the same "is it ok to use" questions.
Since Ruger recommends +p ammo NOT be used in the LCP, and since the BB is clearly identified as +P (on the packaging), I would have prefer not to shoot it on a regular basis (and that’s not even considering the cost factor ;-). However, after searching all dealers within 50 miles, and spending several hours/day scouring the internet, BB was the only ammo to be found (and I had a brand new LCP waiting to be shot). While waiting on the BB ammo, I did run across a couple boxes of PRVI FMJ.
I shot up the PRVI and only six rounds of BB at the range, the other day. I can tell you with absolute certainty, that there was NO doubt (recoil wise) which rounds were BB!
I shot up the PRVI and only six rounds of BB at the range, the other day. I can tell you with absolute certainty, that there was NO doubt (recoil wise) which rounds were BB!
Before I learned that you're not supposed to do it, I shot a bunch of Buffalo Bore .380+P in the Ruger LCP. They kicked like a mule and were no fun but worked well and apparently caused no damage to the gun. Now that I know better I would definitely not do it again. I think that Ruger should show their "no plus p" warning more prominently instead of burying it inside the manual, especially if it might be dangerous to shoot or harmful to the gun.
SalchaketJoe
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I carry BB 100 grain Cast load. Have fired it for function, works fine. You can tell the difference, thats for sure. The LCP isnt exactly a peach to shoot with normal loads.
Speedo66
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This is a huge topic of conversation on the LCP forum, www.elsiepeaforum.com
My interpretation of the general consensus there re: so called ".380+P" ammo is:
1- Ruger states they don't recommend it in their newer owner's manual.
2- Many have used it with no apparent ill effects, other than increased recoil, and damage to their bank account.
3- Test it for reliability, load your carry mag with it if you wish, but don't use it in large amounts.
There was a very good test there done by a member with lots of different brands including Buffalo Bore. The conclusion was that BB was hotter than anything else out there, and was one of the top expanding rounds.
I bought an LCP, waiting for a license amendment to come through. I intend to try it, if reliable in my gun, to carry it. Won't shoot it heavily because of possible long term damage to gun, recoil, and cost, but I will carry it.
My interpretation of the general consensus there re: so called ".380+P" ammo is:
1- Ruger states they don't recommend it in their newer owner's manual.
2- Many have used it with no apparent ill effects, other than increased recoil, and damage to their bank account.
3- Test it for reliability, load your carry mag with it if you wish, but don't use it in large amounts.
There was a very good test there done by a member with lots of different brands including Buffalo Bore. The conclusion was that BB was hotter than anything else out there, and was one of the top expanding rounds.
I bought an LCP, waiting for a license amendment to come through. I intend to try it, if reliable in my gun, to carry it. Won't shoot it heavily because of possible long term damage to gun, recoil, and cost, but I will carry it.
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