Is gran torino progun? or antigun?

[expvideo]

I thought it was out already?

 

[MT GUNNY]

OP said ; I know clint Eastwood played 'Dirty Harry'... and not much else

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[Stirling XD]

I haven't seen the movie yet, but I do want to see it. A while back I was surprised to find out that Clint Eastwood is a gun-control supporter. I found this at imdb.com(internet movie database) under the trivia section for the movie "Unforgiven".

According to Clint Eastwood in a 2000 interview, Gene Hackman was very concerned about how they were going to show the violence in the movie, owing to the rising gun violence in American cities. Eastwood, a lifelong supporter of gun control, agreed to make the film as anti-gun as possible.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105695/trivia

I was disappointed to say the least. The majority of Clint's movies revolve around him shooting the bad guys in the end. But I guess that's what makes him money.

 

[Golden Hound]

Ah, yet another Hollywood hypocrite who makes all his money totin' a roscoe on the screen and then stabs real gun owners in the back. What a fraud. Does anyone else see how ridiculous this is? It'd be like Ron Jeremy coming out and saying he was pro-celibacy.

 

[HeavenlySword]

LOL

I meant thats all i knew, not and much else

 

[notorious]

The movie wouldn't even be five minutes...

1. Gangbangers in car thumping music... Uzi barrel peeking out the window (15 seconds)

2. Clint grunts a few times (15 seconds)

3. Clint empties M1 Garand into car, en bloc clip zings out in air in slow mo, through the smoke from the breech, Clint grunts again (30 seconds)

4. Clint grunts one more time, then pulls out 1911A1 from pocket, empties that into car, saves 1 bullet and shoots the 1 ganagbanger that staggers out of the car with an Uzi who utters, "I'll kill you, you law-abiding citizen who is lawfully defending his home with legal weapons while I use my illegal gun which I did not turn in last week at the gun buyback or to the government under the gun ban that took away your right to have the same Uzi I carry without a permit while you have to apply and show that you know how to use it and pay all sorts of fees." Clint pops the gangbanger in the head, grunts again. (90 seconds)

The End (all done in 2 minutes 30 seconds and with a clear message, no less)

 

[rainbowbob]

The "secret message" technique is pretty clever. I'll try one:


I haven't seen it yet, but it sounds like the major plot flaw is not that Clint choses to sacrifice himself by facing the bad guys unarmed - but that he believes any of the "witnesses" will speak up in a culture that believes you "Don't Snitch".

End of spoiler comment.

 

[jeffsenpai]

The movie wouldn't even be five minutes...

1. Gangbangers in car thumping music... Uzi barrel peeking out the window (15 seconds)

2. Clint grunts a few times (15 seconds)

3. Clint empties M1 Garand into car, en bloc clip zings out in air in slow mo, through the smoke from the breech, Clint grunts again (30 seconds)

4. Clint grunts one more time, then pulls out 1911A1 from pocket, empties that into car, saves 1 bullet and shoots the 1 ganagbanger that staggers out of the car with an Uzi who utters, "I'll kill you, you law-abiding citizen who is lawfully defending his home with legal weapons while I use my illegal gun which I did not turn in last week at the gun buyback or to the government under the gun ban that took away your right to have the same Uzi I carry without a permit while you have to apply and show that you know how to use it and pay all sorts of fees." Clint pops the gangbanger in the head, grunts again. (90 seconds)

The End (all done in 2 minutes 30 seconds and with a clear message, no less)

LOL I thought that Eastwood's grunting was the best part of the movie. He just exudes "grumpy old man"

 

[AKGuy]

I'm pretty sure of having once read somewhere that Eastwood considers himself pro-RTKBA but with quite a few caveats/controls....kind of like...most Americans. Hmmmmm.......

He has also said that when it comes to the violence and characters in his movies he generally tries to blur the classic goodguy/badguy lines so that just about all of the characters are worth as much empathetically as they are worth "going after" IE there's bad in the good guys and good in the bad guys...again...kind of like...most...real people. Hmmmm....

The morality is in the gunplay....said Eastwood about one of my favorites, Unforgiven...

 

[expvideo]

Oh for Christ's sake! Who cares? It's just a movie. Go see it, or don't go see it. I highly doubt that Clint Eastwood is too concerned with how the average gun owner is portrayed in his movies. I doubt gun control is even on his mind when he does these. Just let it go, not everything is an attempt to ban guns.

 

[AKGuy]

Golden Hound said:

"Ah, yet another Hollywood hypocrite who makes all his money totin' a roscoe on the screen and then stabs real gun owners in the back. What a fraud. Does anyone else see how ridiculous this is? It'd be like Ron Jeremy coming out and saying he was pro-celibacy."

It's black/white never-any-question-in-my-mind dogma like this that is hurting us more than any Barbara Streisand or Diane Feinstein.

True enough, though, that classic American simplemindedness "don't confuse me/us by suggesting that anything could be more complex than a soundbyte" is the reason for formulaic violence/villainy in most Hollywood moviemaking...just as much as it's common-ness also further reinforces such intellectual laziness.

Know your enemy...and too many RTKBA brothers/sisters are more afraid-of and reactive-towards their so-called enemies than they are understanding of them and at least truly conversant with their views/reasons. I keep saying this...we've got to do more than shriek and curse and hide in our bunkers with MREs, ammo, and weapons. I for one am not interested in as much harm coming from within RTKBA ranks as comes from without.

 

[mljdeckard]

The quotes were taken out of context. Eastwood isn't anti-gun. What his films like Unforgiven are trying to show is more anti-violence than anti-gun. If you go back through his interviews, you find his views are largely libertarian, resenting governmental interference.

I have not yet seen Gran Torino, but I'm anticipating a theme of every individual needing to decide what they stand for and sticking to it, even when it's difficult.

I have as much respect for Eastwood as a film maker and as a person as anyone in the entertainment business.

 

[notorious]

I think Clint is also very Libertarian with strong views of personal duty, responsibility and obligations, traits that don't seem too common with the rabidly anti-gun crowd who shirk it all to the government.

 

[misANTHrope]

Face it, if the movie is a contender in the Oscar race, its NOT about doing the right thing.

So you have a low opinion of No Country For Old Men, Letters From Iwo Jima, the Lord Of The Rings movies, Master and Commander, Black Hawk Down, and Gladiator? Those were all Oscar nominees in the least several years... seems like a pretty gross generalization to say that they're all not about doing the right thing...

 

[notorious]

One of my favorite movies... The Killing Fields, definitely was about doing the right thing and it was an Oscar winner, no?

So was Schindler's List, Saving Private Ryan... etc.

As a matter of fact, even Training Day was about doing the right thing and it won an Oscar for best actor.

 

[CoRoMo]

I don't believe any movie coming out of hollywood will ever be progun.

I think they are either ant-2A, or they are inadvertantly neutral or somehow in a positive light by accident.

 

[expvideo]

Red Dawn was progun. It even hinted at keeping 4473 forms on file being just as bad as registration.

Of course the director admits that he crucified his career by being so progun in hollywood.

 

[notorious]

Red Dawn was progun. It even hinted at keeping 4473 forms on file being just as bad as registration.

I stated that a few pages ago where the Cuban colonel told his lackeys to get the 4473 forms from the sporting goods stores as it contains names and addresses of gun owners and what types of weapons they have.

 

[muddywatters]

Haven't seen it yet but looking forward to it. Love me some Eastwood.

 

[shotgunjoel]

I just saw Valkyrie and they had the preview for Gran Torino. He came to the aid of the neighbor girl when she was being attacked. He was against the gang recruiting the neighbor boy, but seemed to be vengeful toward the gang, like he was going to kill them because they were recruiting the kid. Oh, he was kinda racist but warmed up to them enough to come to their defense. I thought that over all it seemed pretty much pro gun. Just my thoughts and interpretations.

 

[Mohawk]

Clint Eastwood produced, directed and put up the money for the movie "The Unforgiven". There was one scene where he walked into a bar and asked who the owner was, as his friend was propped up in a coffin outside the bar. When one man stepped forward he shot him dead. "Mister, you just shot an unarmed man!" Clint replied, "Then he should have armed himself."
Now that scene is definately not anti-gun in expression.

 

[Mossberg88]

From his other roles such as Dirty Harry and Good,Bad, Ugly, I would imagine its pro. Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing it.

 

[notorious]

I think it's more pro-do what it takes to get it done and if it takes a gun, so it does. I think Clint in general is pretty neutral, the way it should be. A gun is a tool, that is all. There's no pro or con. Use it properly and all is good.

 

[shotgunjoel]

Just because he is pro or anti doesn't mean that he analyzes everything he does to be sure it complies with his views. We can all give little instances of what some character he played did, doesn't mean he thought about it or had any control over what his character did.

 

[Remander]

Please let me know if this fiction movie is pro or anti gun. I only see a movie if anonymous people on the web tell me it promotes my existing beliefs. I would not want to watch the movie and make my own decision.