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Is gunsmithing a dying trade?

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You can thank Glock and the modular AR 15 for a large part of why gunsmiths are going the way of the Do-Do Bird.

There isn't much I can't fix on a Glock or an AR 15.

Throw CNC machining in the mix, too. Heck, 1911s coming out of CNC machining processes need a lot less work than they used to. Some run like a top out of the box.
 
Right on. I don't know how gunsmithing is going in W Europe, but in this country the old fashioned one man shop has held out so long only because there are so many firearms in possession, and there is a lot of love for them.
 
About the only real "gunsmith" around here is a curmudgeonly older guy that owns a gunsmithing/sales/ammo shop. His hours are "occasional" and there is no way you can depend on him to be open. He has health issues and goes through helpers fairly quickly. Probably because he seems to be a royal PITA but I enjoy listening to his stories. he is a HUGE conspiracy theorist. I have never had him work on any of my equipment but he may be my last option locally.
He makes most of his money doing custom reloading so he spends most of his time on that. He sells a LOT of SNS to the kids from the hood and usually has some very nice, high end guns as well. I have bought a couple of guns from him in the past, an Arisaka for one, when something jumped out at me but he rarely has pistols that I am interested in. He has a couple of Lugers I want but won't even quote me a price. When I ask about a particular gun he always says he has one in the back that he is working on but I never see them. He must have a LARGE back room.
 
Just look at the other threads about what "Flakes" gunsmiths are. It seems that's the default position. Thinking about it, that seems to be the default position for just about anybody in the gun biz. Never saw the same level of ineptitude in other businesses, just guns. And being a self selected group, makes sense....
 
There have been a few "gunsmiths" around here that have come and gone.
I'm sure some of them were actually gunsmiths, but none of them were reliable enough, or worked within any kind of professional time frame, to get any regular business.
Seems it comes with the territory of pocket shops; older gentleman with knowledge who can't be bothered to keep any kind of professional schedule....waits until "enough jobs" stack up to do a whole run at once...so better hope you are the last guy out of the batch who drops their gun off for a bluing job, and not the first.....
A buddy of mine just got fed up with the last "smith" pushing back the date of his bluing job until "he had enough blue jobs to make it worth the trouble".....
five months later.......he picked his gun up
 
Many guns dont need a smtih to work on any more. Anyone can change a savage barrel out with less than 150 in tools. Stocks are everywhere. Trigger jobs are easier and easier to find a walkthrough online. Most of the stuff that kept smiths busy (for them it really was busy work) is declining. That means to keep their doors open, then need to charge more for the specialty stuff. There will always be a need for someone who can drill and tap recievers, fit barrels, fit 1911 parts (sales of them aint slowing down any).
Back in the day, it required a smith to make a 1/2 moa rifle.. now, you can bolt one together from relatively inexpensive parts.
 
Around here the few real gunsmiths are very busy. My gunsmith has a message on his answering machine it will be at least two months before you get your gun back. He doesn't take silly jobs or work on AR 15 rifles. If it's not a name brand revolver, shotgun fitting or machine work on rifles he isn't interested.
 
I think it is a combination of impatience on the customer's part, slow or poor service on smith's part, and the fact that you can look on the internet how do almost everything that a gunsmith used to do.

it is the same in the computer repair business now, the only thing people are paying for is time. they pay to have their computers fixed, because someone else can do it faster than they can. gunsmithing on the other hand has always been slow precise job that requires time to do it right, and that doesn't fit into today's world.

the silver lining as some have already pointed out is that the real gunsmiths who offer expertise that few possess will remain in business if they want to.
 
I've been a carpenter for 25 years. I'm a damned good finish carpenter, and that's a dieing trade as well. What I used to make a good living at is not what pays my bills. Along the way I raced dirt bikes. At my age I know I cannot retire, and my body will not allow me to continue my trade. My plan is to pay off ALL my debt, then, go to trade school for gun smithing. I am looking forward to making my hobby my job.
 
I know a lot of successful gunsmiths. They're the ones building guns for gun games. Yeah, anyone can order the parts to build an AR, but darned few can make them run competitively for 3 gun. How about a Bullseye gun? Or an Open or Limited gun for USPSA? Or take a look at the folks adapting 100+ year old designs to withstand the rigors of competition at SASS matches. I'm not really a shotgunner, but the O/Us and autos I see on the trap line and skeet field don't look a heck of a lot like anything you buy off the rack. Someone's gotta be building them. Do many people shoot stock rifles at precision/sniper matches?

As for general repair, it probably has declined. Plastic pistols and Lego rifles are pretty reliable, and easy enough to replace parts when they choke. Most guns these days just don't need a specialist to make them work. Compare an 870 to a '97 or Model 12, for an example. Another consideration is that the vast majority of gun owners just don't shoot all that much. It's not uncommon to see a gun that's been neglected or abused to death, but how often do you see one worn out? Even the more serious shooters tend not to pile up huge round counts on individual guns, since they tend to own so many. The last 25 years or so, the industry's growth strategy hasn't focused much on selling guns to non gun owners, but rather selling more and more specialized guns to the same owners, to fill niches they didn't know they had. Even if a serious rifle hunter does practice a lot, the chances are excellent that he's spreading it over a rimfire or 3, a light varminter, a heavy varminter, a lightweight rifle, a plains rifle, a brush gun, a general purpose .30, an elk blaster, and maybe even a safari rifle for that trip he always dreams about, but may or may not ever take. Shotgunners may have an upland gun, a clays gun or six, a waterfowler, a turkey gun, a slug gun, etc.

Then too, at one time, if you wanted a factory gun to be that specialized, or even useful, it had to be modified. Rifles needed bedded, floated, pads installed, receivers milled or at least drilled and tapped if you wanted to mount a telescope. Most rifles come that way, now. 1911s needed sights, ramped, throated, port lowerd and flared, mag well opened, extended controls, pretty grips, frame checkered, etc. Now, any and all combinations of the above can be had from any of a double dozen factories.

Factories still don't build championship ready guns, but for anything less, I'd be shocked if you couldn't find what you wanted in someone's lineup, somewhere.
 
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I wonder if we're seeing the "good 'ol days" through geezer-tinted glasses ;)

Let's not forget these storied smiths of old were the same ones who butchered countless military rifles in pursuit of hunting excellence (the result too often an ugly and incompetent hack job, regardless of the collector value loss we lament today). Without the internet to spread/dispel rumor, I can only imagine the BS many of those guys believed and applied to their work (regarding design safety). The whole slicking up of triggers and accurizing fad (especially with regards to 1911's) only took off "recently" in the '70's to '80's, right? Isn't wildcatting also a fairly modern phenomenon?

And who makes ridiculous dollars/hour nowadays attaching AR accessories and bore-sighting scopes for newbs? Who charges +60$/hr to order drop-in factory parts and install them because they're a "certified armorer?" If anything, the advances in manufacturing, marketing, gun technology, mega gun shows, and the internet have made it easier than ever to make money on guns with less "skill." It's so easy, the gun-service industry has growing pains from its rapid expansion, with lots of incompetent boobs jumping in for some easy cash, like the horror-show in the "flaky gunsmith" thread in Smithy forum.

Even today, it seems like the average smith is incompetent in either gunsmithing, or business--and you need to know both to be any good. As the joke goes, if you are in any way competent, you'd quickly become swamped with work and be forced to delegate to those who aren't as good. The only openings are for the proverbial "guy with a bastard-file and an FFL," and so they keep getting work until they piss off enough customers and move on to the next market :banghead:

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