is it coincidence that the remmy 700, win 70 and ruger 77

[greyling22]

Is it coincidence that the remington 700, winchester 70 and ruger 77 all feature sevens to heavily, or is there some reason I don't know about like one coming first and the other guys using similar numbers to denote a comparable product?

I have the same question about the ford f150, F250 and the chevy 1500 and 2500 trucks.

 

[jmr40]

I've never seen any PROOF, but don't think it a coincidence. Same with trucks. They used to use 2 digit designations on trucks, then it went to 3 digits and now some use 4 digits. I guess a 1500 is supposed to convince buyers it is a better truck than a 150.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

The Winchester Model 70 was the rifle by which all other rifles were measured, and Remington and Ruger dared not stray too far from that sacred number.

 

[lysanderxiii]

I've never seen any PROOF, but don't think it a coincidence. Same with trucks. They used to use 2 digit designations on trucks, then it went to 3 digits and now some use 4 digits. I guess a 1500 is supposed to convince buyers it is a better truck than a 150.

1500 is the theoretical load class in pounds, a 3/4 ton truck. A 2500 is a 5/4 ton class truck....

The F150 comes from the F1 series, then F-100, etc., originally, no relation to the load rating.

 

[lysanderxiii]

The Winchester Model 70 was the rifle by which all other rifles were measured, and Remington and Ruger dared not stray too far from that sacred number.

The Remington 700 is an outgrowth of the Model 721 and 722 bolt actions.

That might be a coincidence, the Ruger, maybe not.

 

[jmorris]

Don't forget the Remington model Seven.

 

[jmr40]

1500 is the theoretical load class in pounds, a 3/4 ton truck. A 2500 is a 5/4 ton class truck....

The F150 comes from the F1 series, then F-100, etc., originally, no relation to the load rating.

And what has all this to do with the price of rice....or gun nomenclature?

The op brought up the analogy and asked a question about it. This is an appropriate response.

With trucks within the same brand larger numbers mean larger payloads, F-150, F-250, F-350 etc.

There is no direct correlation with Winchester or Remington rifles. It would make sense if action lengths etc. were in numerical order. For example 7 for short action 70 for long actions and 700 for magnum length. But neither chose to do so, although the Remington 7 action is the smallest they offer.

It is interesting to note that the number 7 has been used in other models as well. In addition to the 721, 722, and 725 which preceded the 700 Remington used 788, 710, 770, now 783 to designate their budget rifles. Winchester used 670 and 770 at various times to designate budget rifles.

The 600 series from Remington is the exception to using the #7, but the number was possibly chosen because it is smaller than the 700 series. The model 7 is actually a slightly modified 600 action so maybe they are trying to make some sense with the numbers.

 

[Driftertank]

1500 is the theoretical load class in pounds, a 3/4 ton truck. A 2500 is a 5/4 ton class truck....

Actually, 1500 is half-ton, 2500 is 3/4 ton, 3500 is 1-ton load rating. As a result, it makez no damn sense at all. But it's in industry standard in american trucks.

As far as the 7s go...apart from the number 7 carrying a sense of goodness in many religious and/or mystical senses, it could also be that there's a sense of one manufacturer hoping to "cash in" on the reputation of another by naming one of their (similar) products in a similar fashion. If a casual shopper walks in and asks for a Winchester 70 like his buddy's, and the guy at the counter says, "i dont have one, but i have a Ruger 77 in that caliber," maybe Joe Schmoe will think, "its probably about the same thing, just a different brand." And in a sense, he'd be right. It's a flagship bolt action rifle, and probably serve him quite well if his standards and expectations are in line with the average Hunter.

 

[Robert]

Folks we are a gun forum, lets stick to that and drop the truck talk.

 

[200Apples]

Driftertank

As far as the 7s go...apart from the number 7 carrying a sense of goodness in many religious and/or mystical senses, it could also be that there's a sense of one manufacturer hoping to "cash in" on the reputation of another by naming one of their (similar) products in a similar fashion. If a casual shopper walks in and asks for a Winchester 70 like his buddy's, and the guy at the counter says, "i dont have one, but i have a Ruger 77 in that caliber," maybe Joe Schmoe will think, "its probably about the same thing, just a different brand." And in a sense, he'd be right. It's a flagship bolt action rifle, and probably serve him quite well if his standards and expectations are in line with the average Hunter.

My gut feeling is that you, sir, have hit the nail squarely on the head.

 

[Hardtarget]

And!- - I was seven when I started shooting...my B B gun.

Joke aside, I wondered about that as well. Seemed odd for all those sevens to show up in the gun manufacture model/labeling process.

Mark

 

[sage5907]

Quote: "The Winchester Model 70 was the rifle by which all other rifles were measured, and Remington and Ruger dared not stray too far from that sacred number."

Vern Humphrey said it all. Remington with the 721, 722, 725 and 700, and Ruger with the 77 were all just drafting off of the success of the Winchester 70 marketing. It was all about marketing. Who knows, the Model 70 could have been named after the 270 Winchester.

 

[MAKster]

The similar numbers are done to tell potential purchasers that these are comparable products. So if I was originally looking at a Winchester 70, when I saw the Ruger 77 and Remington 700 even if I knew nothing about them I would naturally assume they are direct competitors.

 

[Frostbite]

I do not own any of these, so I will ask even if it can make me look stupid (ah, the joy of anonymity!): isn't the bolt close to .7" in diameter in these rifles?

 

[mdemetz]

And!- - I was seven when I started shooting...my B B gun.

A Crossman 760?
Not to be confused with the Remington 760/7600 pump rifle.

 

[matrem]

Another complete agreement with Mr. Humphrey & post # 3.

My first pellet gun was a 760 also. Not convinced Rem used those numbers because of that, but I can't be sure they didn't.