Is it crazy not to buy assault weapons now?
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rromeo
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In that first link to Bud's Gun Shop, one M&P is a 10 round fixed, the second is a standard release. Yes, it only comes with a 10 round mag, but that's obviously easy to swap. The same with CTD, although it's funny that their website says it's illegal to ship the rifle with a Bullet Button to California, since California is the only state that requires a Bullet Button.
Impact Guns also lists a bunch of AR rifles for less than $800, and even a couple under $700.
Also, upper and lower receivers are plentiful at good prices if you like to assemble them yourself. I have put together two different rifles, and one was under $600 with good shopping.
RatherNotSay
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Fixed stock, no threading on barrel, crappy finish and no dust cover. Is that something you would really want? Ya sure it's cheap but would you really want it?
Can you post the link of the S&W at that price on CTD and IG? That rifle you built under 600. Can I see the staking on the gas key and castle nut? was it a billet or forged lower?
Cosmoline
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Politics are crazy, but the market is the market. EBR's are cheap right now because a lot of folks have been selling off excess due to hard times and demand in general is low.
I don't know about that. I am not seeing a lot of used AR's in my neck of the woods. Are you? If so, how much are they selling for?
I think that prices are low right now for two reasons:
1. Manufacturers have increased production capability. There are new manufacturers that were not in the market 10 years ago, and those that were can now stamp out more AR's.
2. Consumer demand is low, because there is no perceived threats to gun rights on the horizon.
But I don't think people are selling off the ones they have already bought.
Cosmoline
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I'm seeing a constant stream of EBR's on local sites and in local shops. Prices are low, particularly for Alaska where there's usually a markup. Market swamping could be a factor, but wouldn't explain the private sales.
What are other folks seeing?
What are other folks seeing?
BoilerUP
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Yes.
Spend all your money buying black rifles in the fear Obama and the Democrats are gonna grab yer guns, and leave the reloading components for the rest of us.
Spend all your money buying black rifles in the fear Obama and the Democrats are gonna grab yer guns, and leave the reloading components for the rest of us.
FROGO207
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Geez don't you all know that the world is going to end around that time anyway??? I will just go on buying when a good deal presents itself and shoot as much ammo as I can in the meantime. 
blue_ridge
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What's an assault rifle do for you anyway? i mean, if you just want to own one before they're outlawed, fine, I get it. but if you think you need one to defend yourself, i'd say maybe ya need a little more practice with that HD shotgun, bolt action rifle, lever action rifle, pump action rifle, semi-auto handgun, wheelgun, etc. all those are pretty good if you know how to use'm. aren't many situations an "assault rifle" is any better. unless you're just a pray-N spray kind of guy...
Scipio Africanus
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If you got 'em, buy ammo. If you don't have 'em, buy 'em. Now practice. And vote. And get your friends to vote. And join the NRA
1. I just got into guns, and looking back even a few years, I do not see prices going down.
2. Here's an article stating how guns are better investments than gold.. http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/buy-guns-not-gold-a-better-investment-in-the-age-of-uncertainty/
3. Why are prices high when the economy is so bad? Why aren't $1200 MSRP rifles going for $500? Because you, me, and everyone else keep on buying.
4. Related to the economy, I think people are buying because they're scared.
5. Blaming everything on Obama is laughable. I suspect a Republican will probably win, and I'd bet money that we will Not see a reversal in the government's view on guns. Why? Because it's the majority view of Americans.
6. If gun owners get their shorts in a knot over "assault weapon" I can't understand why they aren't getting really upset over the absolutely incredibly stupid use of the term "zombie." The embarrassingly extreme survivalist-types claim it's all a joke, but why are they buying real-world rifles to address it? The day the anti-gun people figure out that this "joke" is actually referring to a gun owners neighbors, it's going to make the furvor over "assault weapon"look tame.
2. Here's an article stating how guns are better investments than gold.. http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/buy-guns-not-gold-a-better-investment-in-the-age-of-uncertainty/
3. Why are prices high when the economy is so bad? Why aren't $1200 MSRP rifles going for $500? Because you, me, and everyone else keep on buying.
4. Related to the economy, I think people are buying because they're scared.
5. Blaming everything on Obama is laughable. I suspect a Republican will probably win, and I'd bet money that we will Not see a reversal in the government's view on guns. Why? Because it's the majority view of Americans.
6. If gun owners get their shorts in a knot over "assault weapon" I can't understand why they aren't getting really upset over the absolutely incredibly stupid use of the term "zombie." The embarrassingly extreme survivalist-types claim it's all a joke, but why are they buying real-world rifles to address it? The day the anti-gun people figure out that this "joke" is actually referring to a gun owners neighbors, it's going to make the furvor over "assault weapon"look tame.
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This is off topic, but I've said this a dozen times and I'm sure I'll say it again:
Films, particularly zombie movies (aka my own) got me into firearms. My first firearm I got as a bit of a joke, for "zombies." Let me tell you, to me and anyone I know, those quotation marks don't mean anything except "I don't actually believe this, but in the event that I need a gun anyway, I'll have one just the same." Take the word "zombie" to mean whatever you'd like for yourself, but it's best if you don't speak for all of us when not all of us agree.
I always thought an assault rifle was something used to assault a position.. AKA Howitzer.
In today's times you can't assault anything with a rifle. You need close air support and stuff.
Point being, a rifle is a defensive tool.
If anything, I own "Defensive rifles".
But I call my rifles, just "rifles".
Except for my Barrett M95. I just call that my "bad <removed>".
In today's times you can't assault anything with a rifle. You need close air support and stuff.
Point being, a rifle is a defensive tool.
If anything, I own "Defensive rifles".
But I call my rifles, just "rifles".
Except for my Barrett M95. I just call that my "bad <removed>".
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Ignition Override
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kb58:
Lots of the types you describe seem to expect that in a truly bad WROL situation (chaos), the bad guys will shoot from their car or trees or a barn etc at the house of a total stranger, from 100 or 200 yards, because they want your gasoline or granola bars.
The Road Warrior theme in dozens of movies on HBO, Cinemax etc seems to have infected the US consciousness.
Could all of this be a serious factor in part of the demand for M-1As, FALs, HK-91s (or clones) and AR-10s etc?
The caliber is popular for those who anticipate attackers behind 'cover'.
If thugs opened fire fom 100-200 yards during the Rodney King riots in LA or after in New Orleans after Katrina, what source info describes it?
Lots of the types you describe seem to expect that in a truly bad WROL situation (chaos), the bad guys will shoot from their car or trees or a barn etc at the house of a total stranger, from 100 or 200 yards, because they want your gasoline or granola bars.
The Road Warrior theme in dozens of movies on HBO, Cinemax etc seems to have infected the US consciousness.
Could all of this be a serious factor in part of the demand for M-1As, FALs, HK-91s (or clones) and AR-10s etc?
The caliber is popular for those who anticipate attackers behind 'cover'.
If thugs opened fire fom 100-200 yards during the Rodney King riots in LA or after in New Orleans after Katrina, what source info describes it?
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Kevin Rohrer
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Those who go along w/ gun grabbers terminology (e.g. Assault weapons) who hope to demonize them are unintentionally aiding the grabbers. Don't play their game. "Assault weapons" are full-auto capable. Anything that is not, is not. 
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If I decide that I want to buy an "assault rifle" I will wait after the elections and look for cheap used ones. By then our economy will have gotten much worse and you know you can not eat a gun and people will have guns that are in no way useful to putting food on the table. I have rifles and ammunition that were purchased a long time ago and see no reason to buy more. Put the money out for training, other equipment or things that you want, or simply use it to spend more time with your family.
I agree with you....but...you have to realize that the sheeple of this country are slowly eating what the media spoon feeds them. The american people have a very short memory, this is both good and bad. In realistic terms I can see our gun laws going the way of Canada, or Oz...yes you can still own a firearm but you will have so many hoops to jump through, and be limited on the capacity. Difference is I think there will be a grandfather clause where if you own it now you are ok. May not happen next november, but I think it will happen.Those who go along w/ gun grabbers terminology (e.g. Assault weapons) who hope to demonize them are unintentionally aiding the grabbers. Don't play their game. "Assault weapons" are full-auto capable. Anything that is not, is not.
1989 brought me the opportunity for either a S&W Model 29 44 magnum, 3'' full-lug barrel with an unfluted cylinder & a blued finish or a S&W Model 629, same configuration. Firing pin on hammer. 29 was $229 and 629 was $249. My college buddy and I were there, drooling, fighting over who was going to get the 29 and who would get the 629. He popped on the 629 in a subsequent trip to the store and I lost out on the 29 as it was gone when I went back with the cash. A local guy with a gun shop had purchased it and it was sitting on his shelf now with a 30% markup. There were SKS all day long at $79. 30-30 on every pawn shop shelf for $150.
When I see something now that I've never seen before, I try to buy it on the spot.
My buddy still has his 629...
When I see something now that I've never seen before, I try to buy it on the spot.
My buddy still has his 629...
Uhhh... wrong.
Assault weapons by federal definition are semi-auto.
Assault rifles by military definition are full auto.
There is a difference between an assault weapon, as federally defined, and an assault rifle, as defined by the military.
Also the term "assault weapon" was used in gun magazines for years before the federal government codified the term.
benEzra
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Not after September 2004. That definition (crooked as it was) is no longer in force. Of course, if you live in one of the very few states that legislate rifle aesthetics (e.g. California), you do have some legal definitions in place, but they are peculiar to that state.
FWIW, per the 1994 Federal definition, a Ruger mini-14 with a threaded brake was an "assault weapon", but a SAR-1 Romanian AK wasn't. I think the OP was speaking more broadly.
The gun-control lobby uses a far broader definition of "assault weapon" that includes things like the SKS, the Ruger mini-14, AR's with fixed stocks and unthreaded muzzles, smooth-muzzled AK's, etc. Those guns were not considered "assault weapons" under the 1994 non-ban (thankfully).
Those dictionaries describe how words are used or misused; they do not claim to be authorities on correctness, unless Merriam-Webster has become a lot more prescriptive since I was doing undergrad and grad work in English.
The fact that media talking heads commonly call certain guns X is enough to get them included in Webster's. I suspect that "Saturday Night Special" is in the unabridged Webster's as well, though I don't have it handy to look it up.
A 16" midlength AR is no more and no less "military style" than a Winchester Model 70, a Remington Model 700, a Ruger Mini-14, a Remington 870, a Glock, a Colt M1911, or a Smith & Wesson .38 Special.
The media do not use that term to convey meaning; they use it as a pejorative to convey emotion.
The media, with some regularity, uses the term "cop-killer bullet" with similar intent, and that term may exist in various lexicons, but that doesn't mean it would be correct to use that term in a news story about FMJ, or jacketed hollowpoints, or 5.7x28mm's, or whatever.
Specs
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Since I don't know much about these semiauto rifles I need to pose a question. Ruger's new Mini 14 or Mini 30 can be had with 20 or 30 round mags, stainless, ready for optics, etc. So, other that esthetics what is the difference between a Mini 14 with traditional shaped stock vs the military style skeleton stock? It seems like they could both be used for the same purpose. Is it really just esthetics?
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