Is Open Carry Practical

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I'm going to be direct because I think that that will be most beneficial.

That’s my take what do you think

My first impression... use punctuation. It makes your opinion/question/time instantaneously more valid.

Without reading a single response to this thread, my input is that it depends completely upon how you present yourself.

If I'm not mistaken, via assumptions and observations over time, you are about my age and live in about the same area. I've noticed that reactions to open carry are superficial, as are most "initial and final observations" of anything when it comes to John Q. Public and Mrs. John Q. Public.

You and I would have a hard time "successfully" open-carrying regardless of every single factor that is variable. Simply put, this is due to our age. That is called "discrimination" but there is little to nothing that we can do about it. One thing that we can do, however, is to open carry and expose ourselves enough to John and the Misses that they eventually realize that when they see a young adult with a firearm, they in fact, do not die.

I do, and will continue to go (further) out of my way to be accommodating to everyone that I encounter. I hold doors for attractive women, old women, young men my age, and older men that are not accustomed to this. Lord knows what they think of me... I personally do not care, although the psychology interests me.

My point is that people generally tend to trust those men 40-60 years of age. Does it take 40 years to learn what one needs to learn in order to responsibly carry a firearm? Absolutely not. Are people going to see our chivalry and charisma before they see our 1911 on our belt? Probably not. Should we change how we feel about the world around us due to that fact? Absolutely not. Should we do what we can t try to change the world in which we live for the better? Yes.

That was the beer (and the heart... mostly the heart) talking. My brain had little to nothing to do with this, however, let me know what you think.
 
well everyone that says if you OC you're more likely to get your gun taken away, that's why you use different holsters for open carry then you would concealed. I like to use level 2 security or higher for open carry and level 0 for concealed carry. As long as you have good situational awareness you shouldn't be too worried about that.
 
I've highlighted this one statement because it completely mirrors what I have seen in the OC group. So VERY many of them are running with the attitude of "IT'S MY RIGHT!" and spoiling for a fight.

Pat-inCO, you should be thankful for those people who are willing to take on the fight for for your rights. if it weren't for people like them exercising those rights and educating people on their rights, those rights would just disappear, just like the politicos want them to. first, make people scared of open carry, then concealed carry, then simply owning guns. they want to push gun ownership underground and make it a shameful thing. the people that open carry and fight those fights are the ones that push us back into normalcy where we should have never let ourselves get pushed out of in the first place.

Bobby
 
I wear openly here in Tennessee. Funny thing is that I'm treated better everywhere I go. They actually cook my steak, medium, when I go to Colton's and offer to "comp" my meal if it isn't right! Life is good. LOL!
 
I think HOW you OC is important as well. I live in Portland so I think OC would draw more attention than wanted but if I were to OC I would much prefer a holster that looks professional and holds tight to the body. If you use a "cowboy" style holster or even a regular duty holster it makes the gun stand out a lot changing focus. A simple 3slot black leather holster looks more profession and would seemingly attract less negative attention.

I regularly OC when I am out in the middle of nowhere hiking or such but stick to CCW when I am in town.
 
Having bounced around this planet all too many years, I have a problem with OC where the physical retention of an OC weapon may be a problem, especially in a "close" or crowd situation, where someone is right up next to me. I try to avoid such places, but sometimes it is unavoidable. There is an old saying, something like "old age and trickery trumps youth and vigor every time". For us "old folks", being concealed can be a form of "trickery", and of benifit all by itself, and with a snap-button shirt, not that slow to "present". I applaud those that do feel confident OC, as it is a means of education for the general public. As to the comments that some receive while OC, our local "always OC guy" has written vertically on the leading edge of his holster "Because I Can" - obviously tired of answering the obvious question.
sailortoo
 
These days, I would generally avoid open carry.

Why?

A few years back, when Missouri had a CCW referendum, a guy told me, very seriously, that if he knew that someone in a restaurant had a gun, he'd take a steak knife, and kill them. Why? So that the person couldn't shoot someone. Went back and forth and the person just was essentially incapable of acknowledging that someone could have a -gun- and not be a bad guy.

That's the kinda thing that scares me... I'd be in a grocery, something like that, and someone decides to "play hero" and grab the thing. Maybe ends up shooting me, or someone else. Antis are weird.
 
bogie, in my opinion attitudes like that held by the guy you encountered are exactly why open carry is important. Folks absolutely need to see regular, decent, law abiding, people carrying firearms.

Everybody who carries concealed has an occasional slip where someone might see their weapon, and guys like the nut in your example are going to be a threat to them as much as to OC'ers. Concealed carry is only an imperfect band-aid to the problem of a society that opposes carry. We need to educate people and change attitudes rather than just try to avoid aggravating the prejudices of the irrational and ignorant.

I realize that OC isn't for everybody everywhere, but it's a very important facet of the pro-gun movement and it's practitioners deserve the full recognition, support, and encouragement of our entire community
 
i would stand to reason that any person that would advocate such violence against someone that was being totally legal was a criminal waiting to happen...

someone like that is only a stressful situation from shooting up an office full of co-workers
 
I carry openly 365 days a year. There are no exceptions to that. There may be a few days that I carry concealed for short periods of time when necessary but I carry openly EVERY day.

There are a select few states that allow it's citizens to carry their weapons out in the open but there is a FEWER select few citizens that choose to exercise that right for fear of hurting someone's feelings.

There are quite a few establishments nowadays that choose to post signs that prohibit the carry of firearms, openly or concealed, within their walls. This is another of the many things that gives me deep and lasting indigestion. If you don't want to be robbed or have a disgruntled employee take out his frustration on your patrons, why do you create such a "hazard-free environment" for those that might perpetrate such a crime? Do you seriously think that a guy intent on robbing your store, or worse, is going to walk up to your door, see your "No Guns" sign and say, "Darn!, I sooooooo wanted to rob this place but the sign says I can't bring my gun in so I guess I'll just have to go somewhere else."? No, by posting that sign, you have pretty much assured the criminal that there is little, if any, chance that he will be confronted. When trained, credible, responsible citizens carry their weapons in your store and give you their business, you should be grateful that, at least for the time that they are present, your business is protected. At least from violent crime. Most of us will not shoot someone for stealing money as it is replaceable and probably insured. However, I have never met a legitimate gun-toter that would not intervene if someone were to threaten innocents or start shooting.

I think that many post those signs because of fear of the image that some of the patrons might get, not for liability reasons.

It is my opinion that if those who do carry regularly WOULD carry openly more often, it would help to desensitize those whom some people are afraid they are going to offend. Well, it offends ME when someone is offended by my carrying (which is RARELY an issue here in NM). I have my rights just like they have theirs. They have the right to get up and go eat somewhere else if they happen to come into a restaurant where I am eating. They have the right to run home screaming if they see me walking down the street and I am armed. I, on the other hand, have the right to do anything that they can do and their being there doesn't affect me one way or the other. The reason that gun rights are in the shape that they are in is because we gunowners continuously pander to "them" and try to compromise to a point that is OK with "them". We walk around and hide what we do or give certain rights away to retain others. That's not freedom to me.

I don't "flaunt" it as some have said. I think that if one is going to carry openly that they should dress neatly and wear your gear professionally and conservatively. I don't think that it's appropriate to wear a 7.5" Super Blackhawk downtown in cheap nylon Wal-Mart holster. Yes, occasionally when I come in from hunting or something and I'm carrying a .44, I may stop to get a Coke or gas or something but I'm not gonna take my gun off just because someone else may not approve of it but what I wear daily is a Glock 23 in a Blade Tech belt holster with my shirt tail tucked in. I dress neatly and there is nothing threatening about my appearance (unless you feel threatened by someone that is 6"4", 245 pound and wearing a gun ). Once in a while, I get a question or two but I have yet to experience the fear and panic that some claim is going to happen.

Occasionally, someone tells me how much that they value the 2nd amendment. Well, so do I...as it was written. Not as they would have me to accept it. Having said all that, I do believe that there are a very few places where it may not be appropriate to wear openly like church or some business meetings or picking the kids up at the Boys and Girls Club. In those few places, I do carry but it is concealed. If it's an impromptu occasion, I simply untuck my shirt and let it cover the gun. If it's planned, like church, I wear a Glock 27 in a Blade Tech IWB and a jacket or vest.

I don't "flaunt" it, make a big deal out of it or handle it in any manner when in public and I have NEVER had any problem.

I WILL NOT CRAWL AROUND AND EXERCISE MY GOD-GIVEN RIGHTS ONLY WHEN IT IS ACCEPTABLE WITH SOMEONE ELSE OR WHERE THEY CANNOT SEE!

There are those who will not stand up for a passing flag unless a few people around them do. Well I am the one around them that is first to stand. I could care less what everyone around me does. I have a man to face every day in the mirror and someone else to face when I leave this world. I plan to be able to walk uprightly before Him and say that I have done the best I could to uphold and exercise the rights and freedoms that I was blessed with at my birth.

"All those in favor of losing their rights, please do nothing!"
 
Open carry reminds people that law abiding citizens can and do go about their daily business safely and quietly while armed.

Concealed carry by itself does nothing to deter violent crime. It is the general awareness that CC exists, and that anyone COULD be armed, that deters violent crime. The best evidence of this is in the writings and analysis by John Lott. If there is only OC, but no CC, then bad guys just strike when they see no one around is armed. On the other hand, when CC is allowed (shall carry), whether or not OC is also common or allowed, then the bad guys reduce their assaults, for the very reason that they cannot tell and do not know who MIGHT be armed. Repeating myself, read Jon Lott to understand the evidence of this effect.


craig
 
I would OC more but I need to lose some weight and I hate how I look with my shirt tucked in. So in that respect, OC sucks, but that's personal and only a problem for me. As for the ideology of OC, I'm find with that and I do occasionally attend get-togethers with other local members of OpenCarry.org

Repealing bad gun laws is a major focus by citizens, the NRA and the VCDL at every opportunity. For many of us, OC is the next step in the reclamation of our rights.
 
bogie said:
A few years back, when Missouri had a CCW referendum, a guy told me, very seriously, that if he knew that someone in a restaurant had a gun, he'd take a steak knife, and kill them. Why? So that the person couldn't shoot someone.

Wow bogie, that is scary, although I have to say I have run into similar attitudes before from certain types of people. There isn't much I think you can do with a person like that except thank the for confirming that they are a certifiable nut job that needs to be watched. In advocating the murder of someone with a different viewpoint in order to preserve your own, he has become the very thing he says he hates. I guess stabbing people to death is always to be preferred over shooting them I guess. :scrutiny:
 
Open Cary is legal in Indiana and possible throughout the state. Some locals are more excitable near Chicago though.
Where I stay and go around is Indianapolis. I barely get a second look from most folks. Most people do not see it.
 
Craig_VA said:
Concealed carry by itself does nothing to deter violent crime. It is the general awareness that CC exists, and that anyone COULD be armed, that deters violent crime. The best evidence of this is in the writings and analysis by John Lott. If there is only OC, but no CC, then bad guys just strike when they see no one around is armed. On the other hand, when CC is allowed (shall carry), whether or not OC is also common or allowed, then the bad guys reduce their assaults, for the very reason that they cannot tell and do not know who MIGHT be armed.

OK. So, in the first sentence you say that concaled carry alone is insufficient to act as a deterrent. Later, however, you say that concealed carry, with or without open carry, will make the bad guys reduce their assaults. You say that the deterrent effect of CC is contingent upon potential bad guys realizing that people could be armed. Without OC, however, how are people going to realize this? Just seems contradictory to me.
 
marinepilot81 said:
Maybe you can't avoid the high crime areas, so no passing judgment, but I don't go anywhere I think I need a gun.

I am not quoting you to start a fight, but I do have a problem with this statement. It ranks right up there with the people who say they live in a good neighborhood where there is no crime. This place doesn't really exist other than in the minds of the people who give vent to these types of statements.

Yes, there are places worse than others, and those places are good to avoid. But to say that you don't go anywhere you think you need a gun leaves a few places off limits to you.

1. Malls

2. Schools

3. Churches

4. Your own home!

The list goes on. No one is going to say, or at least they should not be saying, "I am going down to the local housing project with my gun and strut around." They are not saying, "I am going to the worst section of town late at night by myself, but I'll be sure to wear my gun".

You don't have to go anywhere! The crime is going to come to you. Oh yeah, that brings me to another one that really torques me up:

"I'm not so paranoid that I think I need to wear a gun at home."

Good luck when someone shows up with ill intent. You're going to need it, especially if you are not prepared. I have to wonder if these people live without fire extinguishers or smoke alarms either, since they wouldn't do anything to start a fire. :uhoh:
 
MARINEPILOT81 - "Maybe you can't avoid the high crime areas, so no passing judgment, but I don't go anywhere I think I need a gun.

As you said, sometimes one can't avoid the "high crimes" areas. If possible, I certainly did when I lived in Los Angeles, but sometimes, I could not avoid it. That's just the lay of the land, and one's obligations to go into certain areas because of necessity.

For others, Idaho is a Shall Issue CCW State, plus Open Carry, without a permit.

I couldn't care less if someone wants to Open Carry, but....

For you who Open Carry in the colder weather when you're wearing a parka or long jacket, or wearing a business suit or sport coat, etc., how do you Open Carry then??

Do you who Open Carry, only do it in the summer when dressing lightly is the norm??

Just wondering.

L.W.
 
it depends on your location. Situational awareness is key. Personally I prefer concealed carry, because open carry makes others aware that you have a weapon, which makes them (Assuming they have a desire to attack) able to develop a strategy to catch you off guard and disarm you.

it removes the element of surprise. That's how I feel about it at least, but others will feel differently.
 
Indiana has a "License To Carry", so I can open carry. I usually don't unless I'm down on the farm.
Why not? Simple. If I was a bad guy intent on some violent mischief, I'd target the guy with the gun first, then go about my misdeeds.
Does this mean I think it's wrong to open carry?
Not at all, but I don't I'm eroding my rights by carrying concealed either.
 
I feel that if you open carry your giving the edge to the bad guy,like someone else said they will look for you first.I kinda like concealed carry.
but im still looking for a good retention holster to carry off duty.
 
Re: Posts #72 & 73

I can only remember two incidents supporting your arguments in the last 2-3 years, both very recent.

1. The recent shooting at the city council meeting on Mo. There, the critter deliberately targeted the security guard at the building entrance and a police officer in the meeting room as his first targets. I would hypothesize that their uniforms were the targeting data, not their weapons. In my short time of O.C.ing, the amazing thing for me is how many people don't actually notice my gun. I get a lot more looks and interactions when running errands in uniform (USAF, Tucson), then when in civvies and carrying. YMMV.

2. There was recently (2-3 months ago) an article in a newspaper about a man who was mugged at night and had his O.C. pistol stolen. I believe that his (non) state of awareness was a major contributing factor. This one was on the opencarry.com site.

I'll try to find the cites to support this, going off memory right now. Will edit later.
 
czbegenner said:
I feel that if you open carry your giving the edge to the bad guy,like someone else said they will look for you first.I kinda like concealed carry.
but im still looking for a good retention holster to carry off duty.

I think most criminals aren't interested in seriously risking their skin or working too hard. There's a lot of easy prey out there and most criminals will look elsewhere when they see their potential victim is armed.

"Open carry" works pretty well in the natural world:

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I think that in a lifetime of carrying a firearm; odds are that more open carriers will deter criminal encounters from ever happening, than will experience criminal encounters where the loss of surprise will prove detrimental.
 
I do not think open carry is wise. If I were intent on robbing a particular person who is open carrying a firearm, I'd be compelled to shoot the bugger before he had a chance to react. Sure it would be more involved in picking the spot, or positioning, but It seems like 'telegraphing a punch' ... not usually effective method.
 
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