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Shortdog22

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I was recently talking to my father. We were discussing OC. He says that I am just asking for trouble from some trigger happy cop or other moron that has to prove how stupid they are. I believe in exercising my rights and I really like having my side arm with me. Besides it is perfectly legal in KY. What I need is some honest opinions on the subject and maybe some examples good or bad, of experiences with OC in legal areas. I'll probly OC anyways but If there are any good reasons too, or not too, I would like to here them.
 
It's called deterrence versus response. Hopefully a bg planning on doing something bad sees an armed person and decides otherwise...you have just deterred something very easily. If you carry concealed, now bg has nothing noticeable to make them think twice, so now you are left with only the choice to respond to the situation.
 
You'll be fine. I'm still here, for one.

Opencarry.org has state-by-state forums if you're really interested in people's experiences in your specific area.

BTW, welcome to the high road! Here's a friendly reminder, for new and old alike:
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With open carry, I gather your ability to conduct it, where legal, is limited only by community standards. I've always thought of it more as a first amendment issue than a second amendment one (provided that places where you can CCW and Open carry face the same limitations).

If you see other people OC in your area, then you probably can do it, no problem. If you've NEVER seen someone OC in your area, then yes, you probably will be hassled by police.

How you present yourself also matters. Take Massachusetts for example. I (think) open carry is technically legal there. If you dressed in jeans and a t-shirt and open carried in Boston, you'd probably be reported and arrested. In contrast, if you dressed in a dark suit and open carried, people would probably assume you were some sort of government agent because you "looked like you had a license to carry".

So in short, how you are perceived is governed by both community standards and your personal presentation.

Put yourself in a policeman's shoes: you see two guys with guns, one is ill-dressed, the other is well dressed, who are you likely to draw your gun on first? Experience tells you the guy who isn't in character is probably troublesome.
 
I've personally open carried pretty often here in AZ over the past 9 years and have never had any bad experiences result.

There are a few jurisdictions in the US where OC is legal, but likely to land you in hot water, but AFAIK Kentucky isn't one of them. In my opinion those places are the ones that need some organized OC activism.

There are quite a few arguments against legal open carry, but I haven't heard one yet that I found convincing.

A bad guy will sneak up and grab your gun.
There's been one documented case of this happening, and I still have a few doubts about its veracity. If you OC, you should have some kind of retention holster, and you need to practice heightened situational awareness.

You will be the first one shot in a robbery.
This doesn't happen. The closest anyone can come to an example are police or armed guards being shot in robberies. Of course this isn't analogous to an openly armed civilian who happens to be on the scene. Robbers know where to expect police and guards and dealing with them is part of their plan. A Regular Joe that's open carrying, looks just like any other Regular Joe except that he's got a slightly different doohickey hanging on his belt. An openly carried gun usually doesn't have a flashing neon sign and air-horns to announce it's presence. It's easily overlooked by most people, but especially by a keyed up robber intent on getting his money and getting out.

You will lose the element of surprise.
True, but you will gain the element of deterrence. Most criminals are looking for easy targets. They don't want to risk being shot. A potential victim that's known to be armed is a poor target. I know I'd rather avoid a criminal confrontation altogether than surprise the criminal when I pull out my piece.

Soccer moms will freak out, call the police, and the SWAT team will tackle you and drag you off to jail.
This may be true somewhere, but most of the time the soccer mom won't even notice you. If the soccer mom does notice you, most of the time she won't freak out. If the soccer mom does freak out and call the police, most of the time they'll establish over the phone that you're not doing anything illegal and tell her not to bother them until you break the law. If the police do decide to check you out, most of the time they'll just visually establish that you're not doing anything illegal and leave you to get on with your business.

It's exceptionally rare that the police will make a sink about legal OC, and it's even rarer that they'll make a habit of it.


You've got to weigh for yourself the risks and benefits of open carry, but in my opinion the benefits are significant and logic and experience have shown the risk to be easily mitigated, grossly overstated, or imaginary.
 
Yes, you have the RIGHT to carry your weapon exposed for everyone to see just as you have the RIGHT to sing at the top of your voice any old irritating song that you wish. But why would you do either. Is it a macho thing? Is it "Ramming your rights down anti's throats"?
We have the same right to open carry here in Minnesota but rarely has anyone seen my sidearm and it's always the errant gust of wind or when my shirt got hung up on the top of my pistol while exiting my truck but certainly not on purpose. I don't want people to know which of us citizens carry and which don't. I believe that when the bad guys are left to wonder who is and who isn't carrying then they may just leave everyone alone.
I find nothing macho about carrying my sidearm. My belief is that a weapon makes the fight a tad more even between a 250 lb. bully and a 110 lb. lady. If the lady carrys her weapon exposed, it's much easier for the bully/bad guy to nullify her advantage.
 
When I decide whether to OC or CC, a lot of it simply depends on whether I'm in a mood to deal with hassle. If I'm in a hurry and just going inside a gas station, I may pull my shirt over it. The same goes if I'm feeling tired or upset (not because I'm afraid I'll draw but because I simply wouldn't want hassle at that time).

I nearly always OC when in gun stores and places like Bass Pro and Gander Mtn, as I know they don't mind and will sometimes even be curious.

It doesn't have to be an either/or thing. If you wear an untucked shirt (or can shift the gun somewhere else on your person), you can even switch on the fly as you go from, say, the grocery store to the Toys R Us.

If making a statement is your goal, sometimes CCing but with a visible empty holster is a workable approach.

People on THR tend to be pretty savvy about things; listen to what they have to say. If they're mostly against it, listen to them over me.
 
Yes, you have the RIGHT to carry your weapon exposed for everyone to see just as you have the RIGHT to sing at the top of your voice any old irritating song that you wish. But why would you do either. Is it a macho thing? Is it "Ramming your rights down anti's throats"?

No, it's the fact that the gun I've owned and carried for the last 22 years is a Colt 357 with a 6" barrel. Try concealing that in 110 degree heat here in Nevada!

Not only that, but I can't figure out why there should be any reason for me to be so ashamed of being a gun carrying/law abiding American citizen that I have to only carry concealed! Most of the time, the fears of having some soccer mom go postal is just nonsense. A couple of weeks ago, six of us openly armed gentlemen went out to dinner at the Claim Jumper here in Reno with nary a problem.

In fact, as usual, one of our group got to talk to a nice family about OC and how it was legal, along with gun laws in general in Nevada. No panic, no hostility, no problems!
 
A couple of weeks ago, six of us openly armed gentlemen went out to dinner at the Claim Jumper here in Reno with nary a problem.

I have a small problem with that. Like I previously said, I believe it's just ramming it down their throats.
Just my opinion..............
 
Good insight from all and thankyou. I will probly do as I stated and OC when I want. I don't do it to be macho or push the agenda, I like to shoot pop cans and snakes and such. I personally believe the world is too far gone to correct and am impatiently waiting for the outcome. In the meanwhile, I'll stand for what's right and encourage people to do the same.
 
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As some of the others have said, it is a good idea to do what others do. Its hard on the first guy who open carries, he'll attract a lot of attention, maybe including police attention. That being said, the more people who open carry the more recognized and acceptable it will become. This is the goal, to make carrying a non-issue, as noteworthy as whether or not you are wearing socks!
 
what part of ky do you live. I mean it is generally more accepted in rural towns than the larger citys like lexington or louisville. I live in eastern ky were alot of people oc especially in the summer
 
MinnMooney said:
I have a small problem with that. Like I previously said, I believe it's just ramming it down their throats.

If somebody is upset about something that can be ignored and isn't directly interfering with their own actions, it's their problem. It's not being 'rammed down their throat', they're choosing to gobble it up.

Worrying about offending people like that gets silly very quickly.

Would you worry yourself about people afraid of the color blue? Would you concern yourself with the opinion of someone who would be offended by seeing your wife in public unescorted and without a veil?

The best way to deal with absurd sensitivities is often to ignore them.
 
Isn't the anti effort to take away your ability to OC, own automatic weapons, assault weapons, hicap mags, ect, ramming it down your throat?

I've never OC'd mainly because I live in FL and it's illegal to do so off your private property here. If it was legal then I might or might not depending on the situation. I don't even have a CCW so I'm never armed anyway. (I may get around to it if I decide to stick around here much longer)
 
Worrying about offending people like that gets silly very quickly.

Agreed...

If someone wants to throw a **** fit about my Glock shirt with a huge picture of a Glock 19 on the back of it, fine. I don't really care.
 
I guess the entire subject is pending where you live, work or even vacation. Around where I'm at in Chicago I would suspect approximately 25% of the population has a gun on them, more % in thier car and for sure about 75% has them in their homes. Having one visible for any reason is subject to open warfare with gangs, police, just nuts, etc. Not sure what it's like everywhere else but no gun laws are working here regardless of being able to carry or not.
 
I live in a small town in W. KY. You don' see many people around here OCing though. I've about decided it would be best to get my CCW permit and have another question. In light of the "psycho" shootings I am a little concerned because I have been in a mental institution twice for evaluation, but I have never been deemed incompetent or a danger. I can easily go to the local gun shop and buy and have done so several times. But, I wonder if it is because the system is too loose, or is there actually nothing preventing me from obtaining a CCW permit?
 
This question is always a sticky one because many different reasons can be given for either carrying openly or carrying concealed.

I believe it comes down to what you are comfortable with and your motivation behind carrying in the first place.

Often times we get into splitting hairs over these types of questions.

Do I open carry? No. I would rather have the element of surprise on my side, and I don't think it is anybody's business if I am carrying a weapon. Could it be a deterrent to carry openly, absolutely, but I would still rather have the element of surprise on my side.

It doesn't surprise me that there are many that have a problem with open carry because it shocks me to read the number of posts on THR from CCW permit holders that have the attitude the only time they are going to use their firearm is if the bad guy is in their way of escaping or directly pointing the gun at them. So it isn't surprising they would not be in favor of showing you have a gun to anybody interested in looking your way.

In the end, do what is legal and is comfortable to you.
 
If I'm going to open carry, it might as well be a Mossy 590 or a carbine. The only reason to carry openly is to pack something too big and powerful to conceal. I can see O.C. with a pistol in a rural area where you're going to carry a big handgun in a magnum caliber. It might be technically legal to O.C. in WA State, but i'm sure that if I strapped on my 6" .44 Mag and strolled through the Alderwood Mall it would be more trouble than it's worth given that I can carry the Beloved Steyr concealed legally. No, I have no objection to offending/alarming some enuretic who will suffer from the emotional trauma of seeing a Model 57 in a holster. In fact I enjoy offending morons. It's entirely a matter of practicality. Why look for trouble you don't need?
 
If you've never done it yourself or at the very least seen it done, then your arguments are all null and void. They are pure speculation and cannot be backed up with any experience or hard evidence. Those who do open carry don't seem to get the adverse reactions that those who decry open carry seem to worry about.
 
revjen45 said:
It might be technically legal to O.C. in WA State, but i'm sure that if I strapped on my 6" .44 Mag and strolled through the Alderwood Mall it would be more trouble than it's worth…
It isn’t ‘technically legal’ it’s perfectly legal and the police cannot detain a citizen of WA for mere open carry.
 
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