Is Para Right...1911 Cocked and Locked are dangerous???

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I am sure all of you have seen the 1911 Para Ordance ad saying how cocked and locked is a dangerous way to carry and that there LDA is the way to go.


Do they have a point or are they just trying to sell there LDA system on their 1911s???


I am thinking about an LDA or a Kimber 1911.....which would be my first 1911 since I need a pistol to keep my Sig 226 company!!
 
in a word NO... of course there gonna say its unsafe so they can sell there brillant ideal lda triggers :banghead:
 
Cocked and locked is not inherently dangerous. Given a quality weapon and an operator with moderate awareness, the C/L single action is the best handgun going, IMHO. I've not tried the LDA, so I can't comment. But I love my single action 1911's.
 
So I guess Para is saying all their Single Action guns are dangerous to carry C&L'ed? :scrutiny:

Is Kerry running that company? Their talking out of both sides of their mouth.

Smoke
 
Cocked and locked is still locked.
This all does bring to mind a story I read awhiles back...


A citizen noted the hammer back on the 1911 carried by Charlie Miller, Texas Ranger.
The Citizen asks, "Isn't That Dangerous?"
Charlie replied, " I wouldn't carry the son of a b**ch if it wasn't dangerous."
Click to expand...


:)
 
Funny how they put the same grip and thumb safety on the LDA as on the supposedly unsafe single action 1911's. If the darn things are so safe, why bother, eh?

Actually, there is a new Commander sized single stack LDA that I would love to own. As to being safer, that is just advertising :cuss:
 
I'd say something about how they're just trying to sell their guns, but everyone else already has that bit of cynicism covered. To answer phantomak47's question, I had a chance to play around with a couple of them and I friggin loved it. I can see how some people might find the trigger weird, but it was perfect for me.
 
I usually carry a chambered 45 IWB hammer down, and I practice drawing, cocking, and double tapping in one fell movement. It is quite easy to do it quickly, especially with a skeletonized hammer.
 
Considering some "places" don't allow cocked and locked, and some "people" don't like cocked and locked, they are advertising to both sides.

Wouldn't you rather LDA and SA 1911 people can play together nice in the end anyways rather than arguing about it?
 
What places don't allow cocked and locked?

If Para meant what they advertised then they are saying they produced dangerous pistols for a couple of decades.
 
Cocked and locked is the safest way to carry a 1911.

"Hammer down" carry invites NDs every time you lower that hammer on a live round in the chamber.
 
In C&L, you're relying on a series of mechanical devices to ensure that the gun won't fire unintentionally: the holster, thumb safety, grip safety, and trigger; and organic devices: that gray matter or marrow inside the head. For all these to fail just in the right sequence to fire a round is very improbable, if not outright impossible to occur...

Unless, of course, Darwinian laws take effect to remove the inept species, then it could happen. :p :cool:
 
The Reality

Reality 101.

It's a GUN. It's NOT safe.

The 1911 in a cocked and locked condition must break two hammer hooks, .150 inch of the sear nose, and the half-cock notch...all at the same time...to fire a round. Additionally, the hammer must force the thumb safety past the spring-loaded plunger and out of engagement...and retain enough momentum to drive the spring-loaded inertial firing pin into the primer with sufficient force to fire it...which it probably won't on the first try unless several things are badly out-of-whack. In fact, I duplicated that very sequence and it took 37 repeated strikes
to fire an empty, primed case.

Statistically speaking, anything can happen...but in this case, the chances are
about as remote as being struck by lightning while crossing the Mojave Desert
at noon on your way to redeem your winning Powerball lottery ticket.

No...The Series 80 Colt and Series 2 Kimber passive firing pin safety systems don't make the gun any more safe in Condition One, unless you're crossing the Mojave Desert at noon to redeem your Powerball ticket...and a dark cloud rolls in from nowhere. Then you'd be advised to clear your pistol.

Those systems only make the gun more drop-safe...which isn't necessary unless the firing pin spring is badly worn and you are in the habit of pulling the gun while climbing an 8-foot ladder that's standing on concrete...and the gun must fall just about exactly straight down onto the muzzle.

The LDA is a marketing ploy that works on the psychological fear of a cocked pistol. It also appeals to certain law enforcement agencies that allow their people to carry anything that they want, but won't allow them to carry in Condition One.
It also indicates that Para Ordnance is assuming that nobody understands how the 1911 really works. The hammer is visible, therefore it gives rise to the "Ticking Bomb" mentality. When the hammer isn't visible...as in the case of a slide-action shotgun...nobody worries because they can't see the hammer. If they could, the reaction would be much the same.


The PO LDA system is a little too busy and fragile for my tastes in a defensive carry gun. Too much "Murphy Opportunity."

Cheers!
 
I bought and LDA and really liked the gun....but preffered single action. I shoot it better; both faster and more accurately.

The LDA is one of the better DAO triggers out there if not the best.
I just don't care for DAO.

Those that do....GREAT! I get along with most people...even if they do shoot DA pistols.

Smoke
 
LDA isn't actually safer but it "looks" safer and for someone who's new to a 1911 it will make them "feel" safer.

My first handgun was a 1911 that I had to carry cocked and locked and I was really nervous about it for the first few months.

I haven't seen the add in questions but making people feel safe, especially for new customers is pretty important.

I also know what some police departments don't allow cocked and locked for their officers. Probably for the same reason..it makes the sheeple nervous.
 
I kind of go back and forth... I've been around 1911s my entire shooting career and I don't consider them unsafe. I've carried them and I love them. On the other hand, think that through some unforseeable series of events, I personally had to hold someone at gunpoint for an elongated period of time, I would rather be holding a SIG or a DAO S&W or something like that. I'd prefer to have a longer and heavier trigger pull. But that's purely my opinion. On the other hand, if there was any chance I thought I'd have to make a shot past about 15 yards, I'd rather have a 1911 with a decent trigger job.

As to the LDA system... I like it. Most I've played with could use some polishing or stoning, but as for the long pull, it's nice that we have another trigger alternative while still using the excellent 1911 platform. But it's not for me.
 
Like my friend 1911 Tuner said, "Its Not Safe; Its A GUN"!

Even though I have carried the DA first shot SIG P220 for much of my
career, I still DO NOT deem the 1911 as unsafe! True, any person who
carries a 1911 type platform, needs to have their brain in gear; BEFORE
the weapon goes on. And being able to see the "Cocked and Locked"
hammer ought to send a signal that the weapon is DANGEROUS, to
the user and perp alike.

As for Para's LDA trigger system, I don't like it; much preferring their
1911 single stack, single action Super Sports Pistol (SSP), or the
Commander size Lieutant Colonel (LTC) .45 ACP.

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
I like the LDA mainly for carry because the overall length of the gun is less, with the bobbed off hammer and bobbed off beavertail. Nothing to stick out and catch my shirt.
 
Yeah, the cocked and locked 1911 is so unsafe that Delta Force, the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team, the new Marine special ops unit, the Marine MEUSOC special ops guys, Marine Force Recon, the large majority of top end competition shooters, and the U.S Armed Forces for over 70 years, all used/do currently use/just issued for use the 1911A1 in it's AS SPECIFIED cocked-and-locked condition (although due to lack of training, many grunts were ordered to carry it empty chamber hammer down).

With proper training, and a good holster, cocked and locked is just as safe, if not safer, than any DA gun. The LDA is nice, and for some people, necessary, but the 1911 series guns as issued are perfectly safe.
 
Yeah, and the spokesman probably hunts with a shell in the chamber of his shotgun or rifle and the safety on and doesn't think twice about it.

John
 
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