colt1903
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Mine is still relevant:
31 foot target
31 foot target
Is the Browning Hi-Power still relevant?
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Marshall
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Andy,
Thanks for your service!
Is that a spent case flying in your picture or a chopper? Or bumble bee?
Thanks for your service!
Is that a spent case flying in your picture or a chopper? Or bumble bee?
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DougDubya
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Andy - your photo album of your work in Iraq were amazing. Thank you for sharing them.
Thanks, guys; I honestly consider myself very fortunate to have been given the opportunity to go there. I worked for a Brit/US company called ArmorGroup - outstanding people.
Marshall - it's a spent case.
Doug - my dad is a huge fan of your work (I haven't read any myself yet), so thanks
Marshall - it's a spent case.
Doug - my dad is a huge fan of your work (I haven't read any myself yet), so thanks
Any gun that fires when you need it to is relevant. Everything beyond that is just shades of applicability, which vary wildly based on the circumstances and the shooter.
That being said, I think the Hi-Power is an excellent gun whose prevalence worldwide dwarfs even the acceptance of the 1911 in these United States. Just as the 1911 represents the apex of 45 caliber handgun design, the Hi-Power is the ideal platform for the 9mm Luger round: It is slim and light and takes advantage of the compact round by providing amazing capacity without sacrificing grip ergonomics. The Hi-Power is the oldest 9mm handgun still in modern production, and almost all modern semi-automatic handguns sprang from its design. Its numerous progeny notwithstanding, the Hi-Power can still be found in its original form for the same reasons as the 1911, and for the same reason that sharks and crocodiles are still successful predators despite the fact that their forms have remained virtually untouched by evolution for hundreds of millions of years: Sometimes, things are done right the first time.
This isn't to say that the Hi-Power is perfect; like any work of man, it has shortcomings. None of these drawbacks are unintentional, though; all are design tradeoffs or intentionally implemented. The strength of the gun, though, lies in the fact that it is the product of an earlier handgun design mindset that remains relevant despite attempts to brand it as pure anachronism. The Hi-Power, like the 1911, is a handgun designed for one purpose: to shoot well. With a singular shark-like focus, all elements irrelevant to this purpose, unless imposed by external fiat, have been stripped away. What remains is nearly the Platonic ideal of a semi-automatic pistol: flat, compact, ergonomic, accurate, reliable, and quick to recover from recoil. Safety mechanisms exist to prevent inadvertent fumbles, but keep well clear of the primal interface between the shooter and the gun. Compare this to modern safety mechanisms, many of which act to prevent the user from firing the gun easily. By contrast, the Hi-Power acts like an extension of one's hand, melding seamlessly into the intermediate space between the shooter and the target.
Art is what remains when all that is unnecessary is removed. In this sense, the Hi-Power is a work of art. Like any work of art, its status as such is debatable, but one thing can be said for sure: It's still relevant and useful to those who like its ergonomics and shootability, and it will continue to serve a valuable role long after many of its supposed successors have drifted into obscurity.
That being said, I think the Hi-Power is an excellent gun whose prevalence worldwide dwarfs even the acceptance of the 1911 in these United States. Just as the 1911 represents the apex of 45 caliber handgun design, the Hi-Power is the ideal platform for the 9mm Luger round: It is slim and light and takes advantage of the compact round by providing amazing capacity without sacrificing grip ergonomics. The Hi-Power is the oldest 9mm handgun still in modern production, and almost all modern semi-automatic handguns sprang from its design. Its numerous progeny notwithstanding, the Hi-Power can still be found in its original form for the same reasons as the 1911, and for the same reason that sharks and crocodiles are still successful predators despite the fact that their forms have remained virtually untouched by evolution for hundreds of millions of years: Sometimes, things are done right the first time.
This isn't to say that the Hi-Power is perfect; like any work of man, it has shortcomings. None of these drawbacks are unintentional, though; all are design tradeoffs or intentionally implemented. The strength of the gun, though, lies in the fact that it is the product of an earlier handgun design mindset that remains relevant despite attempts to brand it as pure anachronism. The Hi-Power, like the 1911, is a handgun designed for one purpose: to shoot well. With a singular shark-like focus, all elements irrelevant to this purpose, unless imposed by external fiat, have been stripped away. What remains is nearly the Platonic ideal of a semi-automatic pistol: flat, compact, ergonomic, accurate, reliable, and quick to recover from recoil. Safety mechanisms exist to prevent inadvertent fumbles, but keep well clear of the primal interface between the shooter and the gun. Compare this to modern safety mechanisms, many of which act to prevent the user from firing the gun easily. By contrast, the Hi-Power acts like an extension of one's hand, melding seamlessly into the intermediate space between the shooter and the target.
Art is what remains when all that is unnecessary is removed. In this sense, the Hi-Power is a work of art. Like any work of art, its status as such is debatable, but one thing can be said for sure: It's still relevant and useful to those who like its ergonomics and shootability, and it will continue to serve a valuable role long after many of its supposed successors have drifted into obscurity.
glockamolee
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With my .40 caliber Hi-Power using the Bar Sto 9mm conversion, I can shoot HOT +p+ 9's in it all day. I have the SFS upgrade (some think that it is a downgrade... ok), and the 15 and 17 rd argentinian magazines.
Certainly relevant, and comparable to a 57 chevy.
If I want raw power, then its 10 mil time in a polymer packsage.
Certainly relevant, and comparable to a 57 chevy.
If I want raw power, then its 10 mil time in a polymer packsage.
not clear what exactly is wrong with Hi-power
If I am to define the following criteria
smoothness of the trigger pull
resistance to dirt & sand (meaning that it can shoot after being mouled
in dirt and sand)
consistency of hits on target from shot to follow up shot
ability to shoot over 30,000 rounds of +p 9mm ammo without parts replacement
single - hand operation
ability to eject less than perfeclty sized cases
Will the newly manufactured hi-power fail for any of the above, while
the other guns not?
To me the only thing where high-power yelds CZ for example -- is the capacity
as 9mm CZs take 18-19 rounds
and tactical rail.
If I am to define the following criteria
smoothness of the trigger pull
resistance to dirt & sand (meaning that it can shoot after being mouled
in dirt and sand)
consistency of hits on target from shot to follow up shot
ability to shoot over 30,000 rounds of +p 9mm ammo without parts replacement
single - hand operation
ability to eject less than perfeclty sized cases
Will the newly manufactured hi-power fail for any of the above, while
the other guns not?
To me the only thing where high-power yelds CZ for example -- is the capacity
as 9mm CZs take 18-19 rounds
and tactical rail.
atblis
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Actually
That's actually not quite correct. The CZ75/SP01 only holds 15/16 rounds. The 18/19 round mags extend below the gun, so technically the gun doesn't actually hold that many. No reason you couldn't use extended mags on a HP (I am sure somebody somewhere makes them).
Marshall
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Yep
MEC-GAR makes 15rd flush fitting mags for the HP. And there are higher capacities than that offered, I've seen 20 rounders. Fifteen is enough for me.
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/hi9mm215mane.html
MEC-GAR makes 15rd flush fitting mags for the HP. And there are higher capacities than that offered, I've seen 20 rounders. Fifteen is enough for me.
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/hi9mm215mane.html
A handgun few want???? Are you out of your mind????
If they're so unwanted, why, pray tell, are they so bloody hard to come by? I asked (nicely) if the guys at my local gunshop would please, please, PLEASE keep an eye out for a nice BHP (mine is lonely and wants a friend). They just laughed. They'd love to oblige, but they NEVER get them in.
The BHP is the epitome of classy, functional, autoloaders. Irrelevant....snort.
Springmom
If they're so unwanted, why, pray tell, are they so bloody hard to come by? I asked (nicely) if the guys at my local gunshop would please, please, PLEASE keep an eye out for a nice BHP (mine is lonely and wants a friend). They just laughed. They'd love to oblige, but they NEVER get them in.
The BHP is the epitome of classy, functional, autoloaders. Irrelevant....snort.
Springmom
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Durn straight!!
The ONLY reason I bought a CZ75 SA instead of one of these was... the CZ fits my hand better. Gun fit, not appearance, not respect, not tradition, not "caliber," since I have no problem carrying 9mm and actually prefer it to harder kicking rounds.
Gun fit. I was looking at the P226/P228/P220/BHP. Picked up a CZ out of a display case on a whim, and I no longer wanted to look at the other ones for buying purposes. At all. The fit in the hand trumped ALL the reasons I was looking at the other guns. Just a visceral "rightness" when that gun hit my palm.
If you've never experienced that "rightness" in anything in your life, you won't understand. I've experienced it just a few times, three of them with firearms and once with a woman. I married her and bought the guns, and I'm keeping them all.
All that said, if I hadn't bought the CZ, I would have bought the BHP. In my hand, it was second place.
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