Is the high road being infiltrated?

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I can tell you for a fact that U.S. g.o.v a.g.e.n.c.i.e.s can inspect anyone's Internet history going back 5 to 10 years and know everywhere you've ever been online. I know because my X did it to me once to show she could. Yup, she worked or works for big brother. She told me every place I'd ever been online since I first got a computer 10 years earlier (even through several computers). Even places online I'd forgotten ever having been, but when she read me the list of where I'd been, I then recalled going to those places, even if years before. Her list was accurate. Lucky for me that I'm law abiding, and she only did it just to show off her skills. I was very impressed, and a bit freaked out.

The US government monitors all gun forums and all forums in general, and also emails and phone calls. Believe it. Someone said my earlier post was paranoid and funny. Well, if you consider having your constitutional rights to privacy regularly violated funny, and someone pointing how how it's done and giving some free advice how to somewhat/partially resist it, then I guess I'm hilarious.
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I'm calling BS on every one of these points.
I work in the technology industry - and what you're talking about is virtually impossible.
Not to be a prick here - but clearly you have very little understanding of the technology or how it works, nor the vast amount of data that would be collected, and therefor must be stored and sorted to make sense out of it. The data centers necessary to pull something like that off would make Google, Yahoo and Microsoft's entire operations combined look like a high school computer lab. The cost would FAR exceed anything reasonable that the government could possibly hide, which would mean there would have to be congressional approval for it, which would mean it would be a matter of public record. The sheer enormity of it is prohibitive enough and the technical hurdles that would have to be overcome are utterly mind-boggling if you know how this stuff works.

Again - not to be rude - but put your tin foil hat away.

Fact of the matter is - if the government wanted the information, all they would have to do is subpoena the ISP's servers logs. A site like THR for example - has the server hosted with an ISP. The FBI could get a court order for the monthly logs from the ISP - run a filter through 'em to look for any "bad" words, and THR's owners would be none the wiser. There's no need to "infiltrate" or send goons out to probe and ask questions.

This is seriously one of the most ridiculous things i've ever heard.
 
"They" ARE watching

Search for any topic on this site and you will find your result in ".....0.2583 seconds", or so the searcher says to you. Or similar. "They" can search for you in the same fashion, once you are in "their" log. Everyone who's ever logged onto this site is suspect, in "their" eyes. No paranoia, I was in the National Security Agency for 8 years, reporting daily (sometimes hourly) to the Director NSA. "They" can search for ANY word or combination of letters, or even thoughts, if enough proper words appear in context. Most recently there were several "skinheads" caught in a plot to assassinate Obama. These were discovered through detection of plain-text messages referring to encoded words for Obama, his race, and his status. Believe me, "their" system is working very well. "Their" labs cover acres in several states. I agree that "they" don't need the "plants" referred to in the 1st post. But "I work in the technology industry" doesn't seem a valid credential to discount what many on this site already know and see done every day. A word to the wise. "...one of the most ridiculous things i've ever heard...." You should get out of the house more, brother.
 
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Man, that is tough, and you have my sympathies. Were they insured?;)

Most agencies are not evil (other than some of the ATF and FAA), but they are not dumb.
My concerns now are mostly with how far the economy will sink.

Any highly-motivated agency might find out what institutional connections there are to our private property.
With no insurance and maybe a fire-proof gunsafe in somebody else's house, that might be a secure place as long as terms remain friendly and the proper trust or detailed will covers our things in case somebody passes away.
 
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Search for any topic on this site and you will find your result in ".....0.2583 seconds", or so the searcher says to you. Or similar. "They" can search for you in the same fashion, once you are in "their" log. Everyone who's ever logged onto this site is suspect, in "their" eyes. No paranoia, I was in the National Security Agency for 8 years, reporting daily (sometimes hourly) to the Director NSA. "They" can search for ANY word or combination of letters, or even thoughts, if enough proper words appear in context. Most recently there were several "skinheads" caught in a plot to assassinate Obama. These were discovered through detection of plain-text messages referring to encoded words for Obama, his race, and his status. Believe me, "their" system is working very well. "Their" labs cover acres in several states. I agree that "they" don't need the "plants" referred to in the 1st post. But "I work in the technology industry" doesn't seem a valid credential to discount what many on this site already know and see done every day. A word to the wise. "...one of the most ridiculous things i've ever heard...." You should get out of the house more, brother.
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There is a difference between searching the internet and keeping a running record of it. Chuck basically said that every thing every person has ever done for the past 10+ years on the internet is recorded.

The sheer magnitude of such a comprehensive record is what Sinxstar was talking about when questioned it's feasibility. Searching what exist on the internet today as well as records kept by the ISPs themselves is another thing entirely. If the NSA is as impressively efficient and advanced as you, and the movies, say then I doubt that they would be so wasteful of resources as to attempt such a record in the first place. I am sure they record quite a bit, just not everything.
 
you should be vigilant about what you post on the net, it could come back and haunt you some day :)

i bumped the show whats in your safe thread due to me getting a new safe and wanted ideas for my handgun storage, cant decide between a pistol rack or the bobbin idea.
 
No paranoia, I was in the National Security Agency for 8 years, reporting daily (sometimes hourly) to the Director NSA.
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I am a little puzzled as to exactly why everyone on this public website has a need to know that.

When the people who explained "need to know" to me, the Internet didn't exist yet, but my guess is that "to prove my point in an argument on public web site" would be a bit of a stretch.

:)

Mike
 
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you should be vigilant about what you post on the net, it could come back and haunt you some day
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No, it's more likely that some of the people who have read your stuff will come back and haunt you some day, even if they have to do detective work to find you. Believe me, this I know from personal experience.

It's easier for some to go completely over the top in true bunny-boiler fashion and focus on you and your apparent issues than it is for them to find happiness in their own daily routine, especially when they project their inadequacies onto you.
 
There is a difference between searching the internet and keeping a running record of it. Chuck basically said that every thing every person has ever done for the past 10+ years on the internet is recorded.

The sheer magnitude of such a comprehensive record is what Sinxstar was talking about when questioned it's feasibility. Searching what exist on the internet today as well as records kept by the ISPs themselves is another thing entirely. If the NSA is as impressively efficient and advanced as you, and the movies, say then I doubt that they would be so wasteful of resources as to attempt such a record in the first place. I am sure they record quite a bit, just not everything.
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Yes - there is a huge difference between keeping a record of everything everyone does - EVER (which, thanks to DHCP would be extraordinarily difficult to begin with) - and being able to use google.
I have no doubt the government has various search indexers (spiders) similar to what google has. They're not terribly difficult to create, and can be tuned for very specific purposes.
What I imagine the most likely scenario is - is that they would have some of these site crawlers (similar to what google has), along with a dictionary file of suspect words or phrases.
As the spiders crawl each site - if it comes across a suspect word - it flags it, where someone can review the content and see what's going on.
Not terribly difficult - and honestly, there's nothing really wrong with that. People seem to think that if you're typing on the internet, that somehow there's an expectation of privacy. There's not. These are public forums. You should assume that anything you write on here, could at some point be printed on the front page of the newspaper.
There's so many ways to stop search engine crawling, and prevent unwanted access to forums - it's not even funny. If people were that concerned about privacy - then those steps should be taken.
A scenario like that, and a scenario where the government has a log of every single web page visit, every single email, every phone call, etc etc etc - is VASTLY different.

As for mister NSA guy - let me ask you this.
How does the government's computer trace through proxy servers? How do they match records from IP addresses back through the private ISP records to an individual location? How do they match the billing records from the ISP to find out who that IP belonged to at any given time?

"I work in technology" is in fact a good enough reason, as if you had any fraction of clue as to how internet addressing, packet switching, routing, proxy servers, etc worked - you would understand the utter ridiculousness of some of these statements.
 
and for the record - the NSA overall - is probably one of the least technologically impressive outfits out there. I remember awhile back talking to an NSA technology guy - who explained to me he didn't have to worry about security breaches or viruses on his computers, because he formatted the hard drive once a month.
When I asked him what would happen if he got a trojan the day after he formatted, that sucked data off his PC and uploaded it to a server in China - and what the potential security implications could be of a month's worth of information being sent overseas - I got a blank stare.
So - no offense, but throwing the "I worked for the NSA" statement out there, means about as much to me as "I work in technology" means to you.
 
I just wanted to take a second and make it clear that I'm not trying to give anybody a hard time - or start any internet wars here.

There are some legitimate concerns people should have regarding what they say and do online. Again, a lot of people seem to think that there is some sort of expectation of privacy regarding what you do or say online - there is not.

That however is a long stray away from this tin-foil idea that "they are watching!". There's healthy concern, and being proactive in protecting your reputation and public personae online, and then there's paranoia.

The only thing i'm trying to do here is help show people where that line *really* is. If you're offended, I apologize, but certain whack-job statements absolutely need to be put to rest. It does none of us any good to be paranoid.
 
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People seem to think that if you're typing on the internet, that somehow there's an expectation of privacy. There's not. These are public forums. You should assume that anything you write on here, could at some point be printed on the front page of the newspaper.
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Ask Chuck Rosenthal (former Harris Co., TX DA)
 
As far as "Is the High Road being infiltrated?"

It's a PUBLIC FORUM. Pretty much anyone can register and log in. Then they can read the postings and even post some thoughts.

For instance, I'm a federal lawman and have been for about 26 years now. I'm here reading and posting because I'm a shooter, reloader and collector; not because I'm spying on anyone. Having said that, I've seen some things posted here (or on other forums) that weren't all that smart to post - like essentially confessing to either committing or conspiring to commit various criminal acts.

No one has to monitor emails at random, there's enough stuff on the open forums to get an idea where to look.
 
I have been off working for a while, So it has been a while since I have been on the site.

But even in my absence when I read this thread, My feelers went up almost instantly.

Do I call it being paranoid...No way, Do I call it healthy observation and caution....Absolutely.

I was and still am considered a new member and not once have I ever asked to see a persons collection or anything like that. I believe that is something that people should offer to show if they feel inclined. And as far as new folks to guns looking to see certain firearms, Can they honestly not find a picture on the internet or if they are newer firearms can they not find pictures and particulars on the manufacturers websites.
 
And new members are not always "new members". I think I became a senior member in less than 2 weeks, while there wasa guy posting in technical who joined years ago, but went of to fight the War on Terror, so is still shown as a "new member"
 
I heard of THR at CalGuns.net.
I see a few screen names here I recognize from there. Seems to be lots of noobs there, too. Now I'm a noob here. Noobness goes around.
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I don't know if the posters of the "show me your guns" threads are trying to catalogue what we own or not, and I really don't care. As a rule, I just don't advertize what I own in the way of firearms. No sense in attracting unessecary attention.
 
And new members are not always "new members". I think I became a senior member in less than 2 weeks, while there wasa guy posting in technical who joined years ago, but went of to fight the War on Terror, so is still shown as a "new member"
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Well either way I never want people to think I am prying for information or am some kind of anti gun nutjob.

I am just a gun lover who enjoys talking guns with anyone who will listen,lol.
 
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