Is there a holographic sight comparable to Eotech that is less expensive?

[Rubber_Duck]

If you are going to skimp might as well get the less desirable/inferior Aimpoint pro. The XPS models are a lot better than the old cheaper eotechs.

OK 3twelves, since you know everything, why is the Aimpoint so inferior and less desirable? Yes the XPS is vastly improved over the older EOTechs but the batteries are still it's weakness when compared to the Aimpoint offerings. I have extensive experience with both, so enlighten me.

 

[3twelves]

Well if you want my full review, here it goes.

Eotech (XPS) vs Aimpoint

Lighter
Streamlined (less snagging)
Looking through window rather that small tube (better FOV)
Superior reticle (1 moa dot vs 2 moa dot) better for longer range.
Outer ring acts as range finder, plus much faster target acquisition on close targets.
600 hours on battery, 8hr shut off can be set for 4hrs, tells you if battery is low on start up (will blink).


Only thing the aimpoint has on the eotech is the battery life. And people act like they are going to get into a 600hr fire fight and it is hard to swap a single battery every year or so.

 

[Warp]

We seem to have some guys that have not yet learned how to properly use a RDS. Hint: both eyes should be open. Also, don't look through the lens, look at the target.

If you have FOV issues you are doing it wrong

 

[wojownik]

If you are going to skimp might as well get the less desirable/inferior Aimpoint pro.

I'm an EoTech fan, and I would not call necessarily call the Aimpoint less desirable or inferior. Respectfully, that's a bit trollish.

To Wojo: XPS2-RF (RF=Rim Fire)

Yes, you are correct. Posting in the wee hours after cocktails is not a good idea

Some of the reasons you posted are why I've stuck with the EoTech

• Lighter (XPS is lighter, my 522 is not)
• Looking through window rather that small tube (better FOV) (absolutely agree, for my purposes. It's not a FOV issue, rather my particular vision. The Aimpoint tube does not work well for me.)
• Superior reticle (1 moa dot vs 2 moa dot) better for longer range. (again, agree, IMHO, this was one of the key swing features in favor of the EoTech)
• Outer ring acts as range finder, plus much faster target acquisition on close targets. (Again, this is a bit plus for me)
• 600 hours on battery, 8hr shut off can be set for 4hrs, tells you if battery is low on start up (will blink). (Aimpoints have better battery life, but I'm not so broke ... yet ... that I can't afford a spare set of CR123 batteries in the bag. Also, if one pays attention to their gear, one can get into the rhythm of replacing batteries on an annual schedule, or at least just being mindful of the battery indicator)

 

[Fishbed77]

If you are going to skimp might as well get the less desirable/inferior Aimpoint pro. The XPS models are a lot better than the old cheaper eotechs.

source: Have 2 XPS one QD one reg.

3twelves,

You do realize that there is nothing "inferior" about the Aimpoint PRO, right? It is merely the name for the 2 MOA dot Aimpoint CompM3 packaged with a QRP2 mount. The PRO (Patrol Rifle Optic) package was put together to better market the Aimpoint sights to law enforcement (who apparently prefer to buy the sights bundled with mounts). It is not a "budget" red-dot, but made to the same level of quality as all other Aimpoints.

To suggest that all Aimpoints are "inferior" red dots indicates a serious level of ignorance. They are considered (and have been for many years) the "gold standard" for durable and reliable red dots.

Only thing the aimpoint has on the eotech is the battery life. And people act like they are going to get into a 600hr fire fight and it is hard to swap a single battery every year or so.

No one is saying anything about 600-hour firefights. The true benefit of the battery life is that the Aimpoint sights are "always on". There are no buttons or switches to fumble with in an emergency situation. The red dot is always ready to "pick up and go" just like iron sights.

I am not saying that the EOTech sights don't have their benefits (integrated mount and more "streamlined" shape being among them), but I (and many others) find that the benefits of the Aimpoint sights (bombproof durability, always-on nature, and battery life) outweigh them.

 

[burk]

Well if you want my full review, here it goes.

Eotech (XPS) vs Aimpoint

Lighter
Streamlined (less snagging)
Looking through window rather that small tube (better FOV)
Superior reticle (1 moa dot vs 2 moa dot) better for longer range.
Outer ring acts as range finder, plus much faster target acquisition on close targets.
600 hours on battery, 8hr shut off can be set for 4hrs, tells you if battery is low on start up (will blink).


Only thing the aimpoint has on the eotech is the battery life. And people act like they are going to get into a 600hr fire fight and it is hard to swap a single battery every year or so.

First, I think the EO Tech is a great sight. And it probably is the best sight for CQB sight acqusition. I also use to regurly sell them to Police departments for SRT use. Having said that I do believe one other issue must be considered. The EO Tech is simply not a "combat durable" optic. The pentegon canceled nummurous contracts with them, and they do have some battery contact issues, a along with basic durability issues. The Aimpoints OTOH are combat proven.

Having said that, I can't imagine even in a SHTF rifle, a situation where the level of abuse of real combat would occur. So I wouldn't hesitate to choose one if it was with-in my budget. I just can't dismiss the aimpoint so flippantly. For the record I run ACOG's and don't have a dog in this fight.

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum.../142261-pros-cons-eotech-versus-aimpoint.html

 

[3twelves]

For you guys talking about durability over seas, notice they are using the old school crappy AA battery model. Which yes the battery cover will fly off and the contacts going bad. The new XPS series don't have this problem. And there has been reports of eotechs taking bullets and still would work.


Eotech>>Aimpoint

Deal with it.

 

[benEzra]

If you have FOV issues you are doing it wrong

FOV is probably the wrong term. The Eotech offers a larger window in which to find the reticle, making eye-to-sight alignment less critical and hence making pickup slightly faster, in theory.

The Eotech also offers a much sharper dot, which is an issue if you plan to run a magnifier. (The Eotech dot is far smaller than the diffraction limit of the human eye, so that it looks like a ~1 MOA dot unmagnified, but 1/3 MOA under 3X magnification, 1/4 MOA under 4X, and so on until you reach the diffraction limit of the magnifier or of the optic itself (smaller than 1/4 MOA). The Eotech also offers a reticle rather than a simple dot, which is good or bad depending on your personal preference. (I personally prefer a newer model Eotech over an Aimpoint, but to each their own; they are both good optics.)

The Aimpoint offers longer battery life, may be slightly more durable and impact-resistant (though comparing early battery-contact-plagued Eotechs to modern Aimpoints is an apples-and-oranges comparison, compare current production to current production for meaningful data), and is much easier and cheaper to fit with flip-up covers to keep the lenses clean.

As to the OP's question, I believe the Eotech is the only holographic sight currently on the market, though I may be wrong. Not all red dots are holographic (most aren't), and AFAIK none of the cheap Eotech knockoffs other than the discontinued Bushnell are holographic.

 

[3twelves]

3twelves,

You do realize that there is nothing "inferior" about the Aimpoint PRO, right? It is merely the name for the 2 MOA dot Aimpoint CompM3 packaged with a QRP2 mount. The PRO (Patrol Rifle Optic) package was put together to better market the Aimpoint sights to law enforcement (who apparently prefer to buy the sights bundled with mounts). It is not a "budget" red-dot, but made to the same level of quality as all other Aimpoints.

To suggest that all Aimpoints are "inferior" red dots indicates a serious level of ignorance. They are considered (and have been for many years) the "gold standard" for durable and reliable red dots.



No one is saying anything about 600-hour firefights. The true benefit of the battery life is that the Aimpoint sights are "always on". There are no buttons or switches to fumble with in an emergency situation. The red dot is always ready to "pick up and go" just like iron sights.

I am not saying that the EOTech sights don't have their benefits (integrated mount and more "streamlined" shape being among them), but I (and many others) find that the benefits of the Aimpoint sights (bombproof durability, always-on nature, and battery life) outweigh them.

If I wanted a simple basic red dot I would go to wallyworld and pick up a Tasco, same thing for a lot less $$$.

 

[Warp]

I'm an EoTech fan, and I would not call necessarily call the Aimpoint less desirable or inferior. Respectfully, that's a bit trollish.

I completely agree.

Good call.

3twelves,

You do realize that there is nothing "inferior" about the Aimpoint PRO, right? It is merely the name for the 2 MOA dot Aimpoint CompM3 packaged with a QRP2 mount. The PRO (Patrol Rifle Optic) package was put together to better market the Aimpoint sights to law enforcement (who apparently prefer to buy the sights bundled with mounts). It is not a "budget" red-dot, but made to the same level of quality as all other Aimpoints.

To suggest that all Aimpoints are "inferior" red dots indicates a serious level of ignorance. They are considered (and have been for many years) the "gold standard" for durable and reliable red dots.



No one is saying anything about 600-hour firefights. The true benefit of the battery life is that the Aimpoint sights are "always on". There are no buttons or switches to fumble with in an emergency situation. The red dot is always ready to "pick up and go" just like iron sights.

I am not saying that the EOTech sights don't have their benefits (integrated mount and more "streamlined" shape being among them), but I (and many others) find that the benefits of the Aimpoint sights (bombproof durability, always-on nature, and battery life) outweigh them.

Good post.

 

[wgp]

I believe the original question wass, is there something cheaper than EOTech?
Answer: Yes
Full answer: Yes but in my experience they aren't reliable so avoid them. I tried a couple but found that I had to save up for the stuff that works.

 

[JustinJ]

I know somebody with a Truglo red dot that has been reliable but its not really run hard. They also have a model with the housing shaped similar to an Eotech.

I don't know if they exist but one thing to look for may be a cheap red dot that also has a glass etched reticle. That way if the electronics fail it can still be used.

 

[Girodin]

That's a good one....


Aimpoint pro better than eotech ha

You have to establish criteria before you can say better or worse. Some of it will even just be personal preference. That said, having used both, I would buy a Aimpoint pro over an eotech every time.

 

[taliv]

glad that's settled