mgregg85
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The only reason they throw in the extra 25 cartridges is to try to trick you into buying the crap. Get the federal bulk stuff and you will be happy.
Is Wall-Mart’s 550 pack of golden bullets as good as the 525 pack?
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MIL-DOT
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(quote) ".....with Winchester Xpert, which is trash even more so than any Remingtons you can buy."
This simply isn't true. I've been spending time on rimfirecentral lately, and testing various ammo types, high-end & bulk, through my Marlin 60 and particularly,a new CZ 452. Me and two friends all really like the Winchester Xpert bulk, in my 60 and CZ, and my friends two 10/22's and Ruger pistol. I don't think we've had a dud or a PFFFTT-round yet. We thought we liked the wally- world bulk Fed, till we started using the Xpert.The Xpert is noticably more consistent and accurate than the Fed-bulk. Lots of guy over at rinfirecentral like this,as well ( for econo-bulk, that is).
But NO bulk .22 ammo is as universally reviled as the Remmy stuff.
This simply isn't true. I've been spending time on rimfirecentral lately, and testing various ammo types, high-end & bulk, through my Marlin 60 and particularly,a new CZ 452. Me and two friends all really like the Winchester Xpert bulk, in my 60 and CZ, and my friends two 10/22's and Ruger pistol. I don't think we've had a dud or a PFFFTT-round yet. We thought we liked the wally- world bulk Fed, till we started using the Xpert.The Xpert is noticably more consistent and accurate than the Fed-bulk. Lots of guy over at rinfirecentral like this,as well ( for econo-bulk, that is).
But NO bulk .22 ammo is as universally reviled as the Remmy stuff.
No, it simply is true. It is true in my experience with two boxes of the stuff. I got numerous FTF's and it was dirtier than most any other ammo I've ever used. Now, the boxes of Xpert were bought and used about 4 to 5 years ago. It's quite possible that they have improved their procedures and quality control; that happens all the time when a product is sub-standard. I have no qualms about saying the Xpert ammo I used was sub-standard.
jack the toad
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I've went through a lot of the Fed 550 bulk in Browning Buckmarks with very few hiccups so I keep buying the Federal.
MIL-DOT
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(quote) " No, it simply IS true. It is true in my experience with two boxes of the stuff."
You're still wrong. First, you didn't say "in my experience" in your first reference to this ammo. You made a definative statement,"xpert is trash, even more so than any Remington you can buy". I can't argue with your experience with this ammo,but even you admit it was a limited sampling,and 5 years ago.
The guys at rinfirecentral are widely acknowledged here as being the .22 authorities,and while Xpert has its detractors there, many there like it just fine for bulk ammo, but there is no question that the Remington stuff is the most despised name-brand bulk ammo around.
You're still wrong. First, you didn't say "in my experience" in your first reference to this ammo. You made a definative statement,"xpert is trash, even more so than any Remington you can buy". I can't argue with your experience with this ammo,but even you admit it was a limited sampling,and 5 years ago.
The guys at rinfirecentral are widely acknowledged here as being the .22 authorities,and while Xpert has its detractors there, many there like it just fine for bulk ammo, but there is no question that the Remington stuff is the most despised name-brand bulk ammo around.
johnmcl
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Hi all,
In bulk ammo, my preferences in worst to best are Remington, Winchester, and then Federal.
My love though is for CCI Mini Mags. I know they are outside of the scope of bulk ammo as they come in boxes of 100 vs multiples of a hundred. My experience shows the premium pays off in reliability and accuracy. Specifically, I find my 39A shoots those CCIs superbly. I've won a couple of the THR monthly rimfire matches at 50yds with that combination.
Best of luck on the search, and make sure and report back with your findings.
In bulk ammo, my preferences in worst to best are Remington, Winchester, and then Federal.
My love though is for CCI Mini Mags. I know they are outside of the scope of bulk ammo as they come in boxes of 100 vs multiples of a hundred. My experience shows the premium pays off in reliability and accuracy. Specifically, I find my 39A shoots those CCIs superbly. I've won a couple of the THR monthly rimfire matches at 50yds with that combination.
Best of luck on the search, and make sure and report back with your findings.
I guess being the dumb redneck I am, rather than worrying about the opinion of so-called gurus on Rimfire Central, I just go out and shoot the Remington ammo and hit the target. The Remington works fine for me, and shoots more accurate than Federal out of my 10/22.
guess being the dumb redneck I am, rather than worrying about the opinion of so-called gurus on Rimfire Central, I just go out and shoot the Remington ammo and hit the target. The Remington works fine for me, and shoots more accurate than Federal out of my 10/22.
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Nothing wrong with that. By all means use what works for you. The up side is they should always be in stock.
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dogrunner
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Opinions are just that........mostly based on personal experience. That said, I have a German Anschutz (made for the German Market) of standard European light bbld sporter configuration.......double sets & all, that shoots that Golden crap like Ely target ammo!...........Utterly amazed me, but at 65 yards it'll hold one tiny cluster of about 3/8"!!!..........after all the commentary I'd read on the superiority of Federal's stuff I then bought a bulk pack of that thinking that if the "crappy" Remington did that well then the latter ought to darn well outshoot it........group opened up to about 1.5 to 2"...........thought it had to be me so I tried some Wildcat Winchester stuff I had laying around and it duplicated the the Federal ammo...........Then I asked a buddy to try the rifle and his experience was identical to mine.
Just goes to show that what one gun likes another might not. I will say that the Remington stuff DOES present occasional duds........and it also chrono's about 200 fps slower out of a very short bbld pistol of mine....Federal beats hell out of it for that purpose.
All that said, given the consistent accuracy the stuff's demonstrated I'd have to use it should I elect to pursue tree rats this year!
Just goes to show that what one gun likes another might not. I will say that the Remington stuff DOES present occasional duds........and it also chrono's about 200 fps slower out of a very short bbld pistol of mine....Federal beats hell out of it for that purpose.
All that said, given the consistent accuracy the stuff's demonstrated I'd have to use it should I elect to pursue tree rats this year!
Rossshady120
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can't wait to get my firestorm .22 and shoot all this ****ty with no problems. don't blame the round, blame the gun. this is what this thread sounds like to me. "shell gas is better then hess's gas ITS ALL THE SAME ****T MAN
It's definitely not the same stuff, by any means.
A gun can jam if held incorrectly, but I like to think most THR members are intelligent enough to not limp wrist a gun then blame the ammo.
Fact of life: A significant number of rimfires are very ammo sensitive.
A gun can jam if held incorrectly, but I like to think most THR members are intelligent enough to not limp wrist a gun then blame the ammo.
Fact of life: A significant number of rimfires are very ammo sensitive.
woof
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Walmart has the Federal Champion 510 in boxes of 50. It is a little more than Federal bulk but worth it IMO and still much less than any of the match ammo.
jjohnson
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Science?
Well, Gents, I see a lot of opinions here and I'm sure some, if not all, have some merit, but I don't see much scientific evidence.
I've been shooting up my older ammo recently (well, SOMEBODY has to do it to make room for fresh ammo
) and noticed a LOT of FTFs in my Ruger MkI that fired just fine in a revolver, which led me to wondering if it's time to put a spring kit in the MkI.
Of course, being at the range anyway, and being a tightwad by nature, I just saved a pile of the ejected duds from the MKI to see how many would shoot in the revolver.... and I found that, sure enough, many of them WERE duds - about 1 in 3 wouldn't fire when hit a second time by the revolver.
So.... while I may need a spring kit for the Ruger, some of my ammo pile really is bad. In that pile, most of the duds were Winchester.
What I haven't seen here is an honest tally of what's going on. I guess it'd be worthwhile to take the kids to the range some day and shoot up a carton of each brand from Wally's to see some real "hard data."
I've certainly noticed that generally speaking, the bargain boxes do contain what seems like a lot of FTFs recently, but I don't have any numbers to share either - just anecdotes.
Anybody out there feel like shooting a couple thousand rounds in the pursuit of science?
Well, Gents, I see a lot of opinions here and I'm sure some, if not all, have some merit, but I don't see much scientific evidence.
I've been shooting up my older ammo recently (well, SOMEBODY has to do it to make room for fresh ammo
) and noticed a LOT of FTFs in my Ruger MkI that fired just fine in a revolver, which led me to wondering if it's time to put a spring kit in the MkI.Of course, being at the range anyway, and being a tightwad by nature, I just saved a pile of the ejected duds from the MKI to see how many would shoot in the revolver.... and I found that, sure enough, many of them WERE duds - about 1 in 3 wouldn't fire when hit a second time by the revolver.
So.... while I may need a spring kit for the Ruger, some of my ammo pile really is bad. In that pile, most of the duds were Winchester.
What I haven't seen here is an honest tally of what's going on. I guess it'd be worthwhile to take the kids to the range some day and shoot up a carton of each brand from Wally's to see some real "hard data."
I've certainly noticed that generally speaking, the bargain boxes do contain what seems like a lot of FTFs recently, but I don't have any numbers to share either - just anecdotes.
Anybody out there feel like shooting a couple thousand rounds in the pursuit of science?
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I've never had an issue with them in my ruger mk3 or marlin 60. I must be the odd man out. In fact I've had them group 2-3 inches at 75 yards out of the 60. Not too bad for cheap rifle, cheap ammo, and a mediocre shooter.
woof
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By the way experience "is" scientific evidence. Just because you didn't make charts and calculate stats doesn't mean you don't have the data.
Justin
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Gah!
You're right! I meant to say the Winchester Xpert ammo. My girlfriend almost dumped me over that crap and the frustration it caused her at a local Steel Challenge match.
MIL-DOT
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(quote)"guess being the dumb redneck I am, rather than worrying about the opinion of so-called gurus on Rimfire Central, I just go out and shoot the Remington ammo and hit the target. The Remington works fine for me, and shoots more accurate than Federal out of my 10/22."
Easy,there,fellas !! Ain't nobody calling nobody a redneck !! And no one's "WORRYING about the opinion of so-called gurus on rimfirecentral".
But the fact is that these guys are widely acknowledged,even here,as a great source of honest,accurate,.22 info,( with good reason) and that's been my experience,as well.
My issue (trivial as it was) was with mal H's contention that the Winny Xpert was "trash..worse than any Remingtons you can buy".
If you do a search, you'll likely find that no name-brand bulk ammo is as despised as the Remmy stuff. And I am fully aware that different rifles favor different ammos, my CZ happens to like the Xpert stuff, and at $13 a box, I ain't complaining. Granted,it likes the more expensive CCI standard velocity even more, but at more than double the price, I'll take the occasional flyer from the Winnys without crying.
Peace, my brothas !!!!
Easy,there,fellas !! Ain't nobody calling nobody a redneck !! And no one's "WORRYING about the opinion of so-called gurus on rimfirecentral".
But the fact is that these guys are widely acknowledged,even here,as a great source of honest,accurate,.22 info,( with good reason) and that's been my experience,as well.
My issue (trivial as it was) was with mal H's contention that the Winny Xpert was "trash..worse than any Remingtons you can buy".
If you do a search, you'll likely find that no name-brand bulk ammo is as despised as the Remmy stuff. And I am fully aware that different rifles favor different ammos, my CZ happens to like the Xpert stuff, and at $13 a box, I ain't complaining. Granted,it likes the more expensive CCI standard velocity even more, but at more than double the price, I'll take the occasional flyer from the Winnys without crying.
Peace, my brothas !!!!
Inspector3711
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+1 for the Federal Automatch. My Walmart carries them in 325 count boxes... Since I tried it I can't bring myself to use up the two boxes of golden crap I have.... My rifle went from 1" 5 shot groups to sub .500" 10 shot groups and my pistol mirrors the same kind of improvement. With the rifle I'm on paper at 200 yards!
Joshua M. Smith
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While accurate "enough" at 50 yards for taking game, these two Remington don't seem to have primer compound in the rims. One cost me a squirrel. The other almost did, but I was able to work the bolt quickly enough that it didn't escape.
MD_Willington
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I support the local guys...
CCI Blazer from ATK
Just belted off a bunch of it over in Idaho, S&W 617... no problems at all.
CCI Blazer from ATK
Just belted off a bunch of it over in Idaho, S&W 617... no problems at all.
TakeNoBull
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My BRAND new marlin .22 60
My new Marlin 60 would not shoot the Winchester 333 bulk .22 ammo. It would not eject the spent shell and I would have the new shell jammed in behind it. It happen constantly. Seem to shoot the Winchester super X much better with one or two problems in fifty rounds. And shot the range federal rounds great with one or two minor ejection problems out of hundred. Range guy said the rifle which had never been fired other then factory needed to be broke in and cleaning and lube might help?
My new Marlin 60 would not shoot the Winchester 333 bulk .22 ammo. It would not eject the spent shell and I would have the new shell jammed in behind it. It happen constantly. Seem to shoot the Winchester super X much better with one or two problems in fifty rounds. And shot the range federal rounds great with one or two minor ejection problems out of hundred. Range guy said the rifle which had never been fired other then factory needed to be broke in and cleaning and lube might help?
Gryffydd
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I always used to have better luck with the Golden Bullets than the Federals in my 10/22. Bottom line is, none of the bulk stuff is as good as the premium stuff. Try it all, use what works best for you at a price you're willing to pay.
On the other hand, it seems odd that they'd sell ammo at a store that specializes in walls.
On the other hand, it seems odd that they'd sell ammo at a store that specializes in walls.
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