Abel
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I love my Marlins. But they are now made by a holding company, not by Marlin. Marlin sold their company to Cerberas Capital Management and they closed the New Haven plant.
Is Winchester Bringing M94 Back (not limited)?
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black_powder_Rob
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CraigC
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Yes, and we ran a genocidal campaign against the plains indians. I reckon we can all hold grudges as long as we like.
Again, I'm sorry but you're both wrong. You may prefer the Marlin and that is fine but quality, fit and finish are all quantifiable and the Winchester is superior to a Marlin in every way. Bear in mind, we are talking about the new Miroku-made 94's, not the previous domestic 94's.
556A2
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Your "undeniable" fact is your OPINION.
Abel
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No, its pretty much a well established fact. Marlin's new ownership has had several issues with quality control with their newest batches of the 336. That is why I will not buy a 336 from 2008 or newer. The new M94 might not be a better hunting platform for a scope user, but it is a better made gun. That Miroku outfit in Japan is good at what they do. I am always on the lookout for a good Marlin 336 and they just aren't as good as they once were. Thanks Remington! (err, Cerberus Capital)
CraigC
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No, it is my opinion that the Winchester 1894 is a better feeling rifle that balances and carries better. It is my opinion that the .30-30 cartridge will do 99% of what most shooters require. It is my opinion that scopes don't belong on leverguns.
It is undeniable fact that the Miroku guns are higher quality rifles than comparable Marlins, exhibiting much better fit and finish. Which is why they cost more. For whatever reason, Marlin owners tend to get their drawers in a bunch over this fact. Doesn't matter that I consider Marlins to be great rifles and a good value. Doesn't matter that I own three Marlin leverguns and love them dearly. If I say that something is better, folks get bent outta shape. Luckily, my ego (or lack thereof) lets me see them all for what they are.
Abel
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I Miroku would make the 336, then we'd really have something!
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
If Miroku made a 336 (or preferably an 1893 since we're talking about tooling up anyway) with a color case hardened receiver, lever and hammer, chambered in .38-55 with a 24" to 26" octagon barrel, I'd be first in line!!!
556A2
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I'm sorry, but I was totally wrong. I missed the "contemporary" part, even though I quoted it.
I'll agree the late Marlin made, and current Remington-made Marlins are lacking in fit & finish.
I'll agree the late Marlin made, and current Remington-made Marlins are lacking in fit & finish.
Abel
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No sir. The model 1936 with browned steel, select walnut with no checkering in 32WS. You'd have to move to the back of the line.
http://www.auctionarms.com/closed/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=9533313.0
http://www.auctionarms.com/closed/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=9533313.0
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
Ever look at one? Worlds apart from the piles upon piles of old 94's adorning used gun racks in every pawn shop of America.
That's MSRP anyway, surely street price will be less than $1000.
Abel
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As long as they have that picture of Boss Hog on the side of the receiver, I won't pay $300 for one!
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
It could be worse, it could be Cooter.
Seriously though, the two that are the subject of this thread don't have any engraving, in case anyone thought they all had Boss Hogg on them.
Seriously though, the two that are the subject of this thread don't have any engraving, in case anyone thought they all had Boss Hogg on them.
A used Pre 64 Model 94 in very good condition will easily bring $1200.00+ on the used gun market.
Miroku produces some very high quality firearms and are well known for making excelent barrels.
I now own a Miroku made 1886 extra lightweight .45/70 lever action, wonderful gun and a keeper.
All that said and having handled one of the limited production 1894 Miroku lever actions, I feel that I personally would rather spend my money on an American made pre 64 Model '94 the only problem would be supply verses demand.
There aren't that many very good to excellent Pre 64 Model '94s available on the market and the ones that are out there tend to show some faults, i.e. refinish, parts replacement, stock replacement, etc.
While the .45/70 is an excellent cartridge I am also not so sure the .30/30 deems a $1200 launching platform for what that is worth..
One might be better off buying an American made $200 H&R .30/30 single shot as a hunting rifle and practice speed reloading techniques for single shot break open weapons and spend the rest of their money on something else.
Miroku produces some very high quality firearms and are well known for making excelent barrels.
I now own a Miroku made 1886 extra lightweight .45/70 lever action, wonderful gun and a keeper.
All that said and having handled one of the limited production 1894 Miroku lever actions, I feel that I personally would rather spend my money on an American made pre 64 Model '94 the only problem would be supply verses demand.
There aren't that many very good to excellent Pre 64 Model '94s available on the market and the ones that are out there tend to show some faults, i.e. refinish, parts replacement, stock replacement, etc.
While the .45/70 is an excellent cartridge I am also not so sure the .30/30 deems a $1200 launching platform for what that is worth..
One might be better off buying an American made $200 H&R .30/30 single shot as a hunting rifle and practice speed reloading techniques for single shot break open weapons and spend the rest of their money on something else.
Vern Humphrey
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Bud's Gunshop has a Mirokou 1892 Short .44 Mag for $875. MSPR on it is $1,069.
If they had one in .45 LC, at that price, I think I would have to buy it.
My LGS has a used Mirokou 1892 in .44 Mag. It was in decent condition, although the stock had some noticeable dings in it. They were asking ~$900 for it. Unfortunately I think this shop overcharges for most of their Used guns. Although last I checked on their website, that 1892 isn't listed in their stock anymore....luckily not tempting me anymore.
m500'92
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I completely disagree, I had plenty of Brownings (including a Winchester/Browning 1892 commemorative) and none were too accurate, they looked nice but quality should include accuracy (and durability when it comes to the POS SA-22) and I have plenty of Marlins and they all shoot accurately and I haven't seen anything wrong with the fit/finish. With Brownings you're paying for a nice shiny gun, but not superior in every way to a Marlin (Or Henry for current production) and being made in USA rather than being a replica is a huge bonus. And I mean a real Marlin, made in Connecticut. Wouldn't consider getting a new Remington/Cerberus 336.
CraigC
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Disagree all you want, these are quantifiable facts, not matters of opinion. If you don't see anything wrong with Marln's fit and finish you must not see all the machine marks they try to hide with a blasted finish. Seriously? You're not seeing a huge difference in the finishes?
If it's still a Winchester, it's not a "replica". Besides, USFA builds a better SAA than Colt ever did so what difference does "replica" make?
Henry is another step down. Not only are their rimfires potmetal with an aluminum cover with lots of plastic parts but their centerfires are very poorly finished and two pounds heavier than they need to be.
If it's still a Winchester, it's not a "replica". Besides, USFA builds a better SAA than Colt ever did so what difference does "replica" make?
Henry is another step down. Not only are their rimfires potmetal with an aluminum cover with lots of plastic parts but their centerfires are very poorly finished and two pounds heavier than they need to be.
Abel
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The Miroku 94 is a nice rifle. No doubt. But I'd rather pay $500 for a 1950's era M94 and have a genuine pre-64 model....and an extra $700 in my checking account. I'm just nostalgic & cheap I guess.
That being said, I own zero M94's and four 336's. I believe them to be a finer rifle in every category that counts. Easy to take apart in the field, accurate, easy to mount a scope on, I could go on. The last three I bought for $300. I hear of lucky SOB's that find 336's for in A+ shape for $250! $250!!! Put that in your Miroku pipe and smoke it.
That being said, I own zero M94's and four 336's. I believe them to be a finer rifle in every category that counts. Easy to take apart in the field, accurate, easy to mount a scope on, I could go on. The last three I bought for $300. I hear of lucky SOB's that find 336's for in A+ shape for $250! $250!!! Put that in your Miroku pipe and smoke it.
I'd be glad to see the standard grade 94's back, especially made by Miroku. I have several Browning levers made by Miroku, and they are much finer made arms than Winchester or Marlins. Have several pre-64 Winchesters, and pre-war guns. I like them very much, far more so than any Marlin I've had. I agree with the fit and finish comments regarding Marlins, even the older ones (60's) I've seen, had a lot of machine marks and so-so fit/finish. They usually look like they polished them with a wire wheel or belt sander compared to an older Winchester or Miroku. Miroku's look like custom quality hand built hand finished guns in comparison.
I can't tell much difference between the Winchester angle ejects and Marlins regarding scope mounting. I have nothing against glass on a lever gun. I'd take a pre-safety or tang safety (which would have the tang safety hole filled and the rebounding hammer setup replaced) angle eject and be happy. It would get a remodel so far as looks, but the basic action is fine with me. Marlins are fine guns, just don't care for the mechanical operation of them, nor the little quirks I've had to deal with with them.
You can still buy good pre-64 94's for less than half of the new guns suggested retail price tho.
I can't tell much difference between the Winchester angle ejects and Marlins regarding scope mounting. I have nothing against glass on a lever gun. I'd take a pre-safety or tang safety (which would have the tang safety hole filled and the rebounding hammer setup replaced) angle eject and be happy. It would get a remodel so far as looks, but the basic action is fine with me. Marlins are fine guns, just don't care for the mechanical operation of them, nor the little quirks I've had to deal with with them.
You can still buy good pre-64 94's for less than half of the new guns suggested retail price tho.
snake284
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I think the expensive ones they came out with were to test the waters. If they sell reasonable to the market they were intended, I think they may go for it for a plain jane style we can all justify and afford. I hope so because I think it would be ashamed to lose such a historical rifle to the masses. I have a 94 AE made about 2001. I love that rifle. I won't part with it.
snake284
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Also, are the new Winchesters Angle Eject? If not, I wouldn't have one. There's enough of the old ones out there and the AE I feel was a necessary improvement.
oldfool
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cast another vote here for FN/Browing Miroku made quality
Marlins, I own and love 'em
brazilia made, I own 'em and love 'em
but fit, finish and quality, Browning Miroku (by any name) wins hand down, no contest
you only need pick one up and work the action to know that much
like others, I won't own a gun I don't shoot
lever action accuracy reasonable expectations never were better than "hunting" accuracy, absent luck of the draw, any brand flavor
(that's why they also make bolt guns, you know)
Marlins (or any other except Browning/Miroku) -
I really enjoy my Marlin 1894
but the fit, finish, quality, smoothness of action, nowhere near that of my decades older Marlin 30-30
a blind man who picked up both could easily tell the difference
though neither is equal to Browning quality, then or now
better costs more, always did, live with it or live without it, how it is
if you shoot a lot, you can easily put $1000 of ammo through a gun in one year
if you do that, you can put $1000 into the firearm
I am not real inclined to myself, but never say never
not the least bit hesitant to shoot a bunch $600 22 rimfire rifles and a bunch of $600 22 rimfire handguns... and if ever "unlucky" enough to bump into a minty lever action Browning '92 in 357, I will be owning a $1000 rifle PDQ
(if drool was worth a dime, I would own a hundred $1000 rifles)
Marlins, I own and love 'em
brazilia made, I own 'em and love 'em
but fit, finish and quality, Browning Miroku (by any name) wins hand down, no contest
you only need pick one up and work the action to know that much
like others, I won't own a gun I don't shoot
lever action accuracy reasonable expectations never were better than "hunting" accuracy, absent luck of the draw, any brand flavor
(that's why they also make bolt guns, you know)
Marlins (or any other except Browning/Miroku) -
I really enjoy my Marlin 1894
but the fit, finish, quality, smoothness of action, nowhere near that of my decades older Marlin 30-30
a blind man who picked up both could easily tell the difference
though neither is equal to Browning quality, then or now
better costs more, always did, live with it or live without it, how it is
if you shoot a lot, you can easily put $1000 of ammo through a gun in one year
if you do that, you can put $1000 into the firearm
I am not real inclined to myself, but never say never
not the least bit hesitant to shoot a bunch $600 22 rimfire rifles and a bunch of $600 22 rimfire handguns... and if ever "unlucky" enough to bump into a minty lever action Browning '92 in 357, I will be owning a $1000 rifle PDQ
(if drool was worth a dime, I would own a hundred $1000 rifles)
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