ISIS armament per CNN
- Thread starter Guy B. Meredith
- Start date
- Status
Al Thompson
Moderator Emeritus
Captured from the Iraqis is a safe bet. Lots of the PMCs brought EBRs in with State Department approval.
OP
OP
Guy B. Meredith
Member
Is the rifle in the photo an AR-15? Is that a selector switch?
jobu07
Contributing Member
It's flipped all the way around... So it's at least a M4, maybe an A1.
OP
OP
Guy B. Meredith
Member
Al,
Were the EBRs brought in ARs?
Guy
Were the EBRs brought in ARs?
Guy
Tom488
Member
Looks like an FN M4 to me.
rcmodel
Member in memoriam
I don't know what it is, but it's not an EBR.
Looks like an old civilian M-4 with a happy switch me.
rc
Looks like an old civilian M-4 with a happy switch me.
rc
I'm looking at the picture on my phone. It's not a Colt. Possibly an FN or maybe even a Canadian C8.
Most likely captured from the Iraqi army, the Kurds or some other group we've provided aid to.
Most likely captured from the Iraqi army, the Kurds or some other group we've provided aid to.
herrwalther
Member
- Joined
- May 1, 2013
- Messages
- 8,130
The FN stamp looks pretty clear to me. Looks more like something we left the Iraqi army that they dropped while running away. EBRs, by our definition, have a much longer barrel.
OP
OP
Guy B. Meredith
Member
It is a captured weapon.
I had thought that semi autos would not be used in battle so have been a bit irritated when I hear the leftist line about the ARs being "weapons of war" that civilians don't need. If I am wrong I need to be corrected. I don't want to pass on incorrect information.
I had thought that semi autos would not be used in battle so have been a bit irritated when I hear the leftist line about the ARs being "weapons of war" that civilians don't need. If I am wrong I need to be corrected. I don't want to pass on incorrect information.
Looks like the FN football logo on the lower. FN has only been manufacturing commercial ARs in the US for about a year or so and military M4s for maybe three or four years but were producing military M16 variants for a much longer period of time.
The chances of it being a civilian lower are pretty slim, I think.
The chances of it being a civilian lower are pretty slim, I think.
rcmodel
Member in memoriam
Then you would have thought wrong.
Full auto is seldom used in battle except for suppressive fire during an assault on a position.
The common solder has no business using full-auto fire, because after the second or third round, they will be missing 99.9 % more then hitting.
And just making noise and missing.
Full auto-has it's place.
But usually only at middle-east or Mexican drug cartel wedding celebrations.
rc
Deanimator
Member
NO, he would be RIGHT.
He said "semi-autos", NOT "semi-auto".
Other than the odd country issuing SKSes, M-1 Carbines or Garands, pretty much EVERY country that issues a military rifle issues a selective fire one, be it M-16, M-4, FAL, G3, G36, Kalashnikov, etc.
They are weapons of war. Thats exactly the reason we're supposed to have them.
OP
OP
Guy B. Meredith
Member
Well my actual point is that if CNN has incorrectly labeled this as an AR-15 semi-automatic they need to be trounced for continuing the AR as an "assault weapon" lie. And I guess at that point this conversation goes to activism forum for a request for a mass mailing.
Again, I am semi-auto ignorant beyond the M1 Garand. Just not my area of interest EXCEPT in fighting to support personal freedoms. THERE I am on board.
Again, I am semi-auto ignorant beyond the M1 Garand. Just not my area of interest EXCEPT in fighting to support personal freedoms. THERE I am on board.
TruthTellers
member
- Joined
- Aug 15, 2015
- Messages
- 1,075
Aren't all guns capable of being weapons of war though? Is that why we're starting to hear from media that all guns need to be seized?
barnbwt
member
- Joined
- Aug 14, 2011
- Messages
- 7,340
"The FN stamp looks pretty clear to me. Looks more like something we left the Iraqi army that they dropped while running away."
Looks exactly like that, actually. My understanding was that we were not providing any M4/M16 type guns to rebel groups/etc. as support materiel in the middle east until quite recently (like, several months back, and in small numbers), so FNH-made M4s likely date to US ground-deployment in the region, or some covert gun-running operation (aka soon to be scandal). Entirely possible that some Cartel is selling guns over there; God knows they are buying up everything that throws lead in that part of the world. Not sure how it's a civilian problem, though; given the configuration of the weapon, it would have likely been sold/given to the Mexican federales as a DEA aid thing, with the full knowledge it would eventually 'seep' into the cartels infiltrating/controlling them (or simply be used to murder autodefensas.)
"Well my actual point is that if CNN has incorrectly labeled this as an AR-15 semi-automatic they need to be trounced for continuing the AR as an "assault weapon" lie. And I guess at that point this conversation goes to activism forum for a request for a mass mailing."
Yes; CNN conflating a select fire rifle our military stupidly left to the traitorous Iraqi Army unit that defected to ISIS, with semi-auto variants produced and sold domestically for law-abiding sport and self defense is something they should be trounced for. Many of these guns were subsequently taken off dead Daesh goons --shrapnel damage and all-- and jerry-rigged back into operating condition by Kurdish shade-tree gunsmiths working to fight our battles without military aid.
TCB
Looks exactly like that, actually. My understanding was that we were not providing any M4/M16 type guns to rebel groups/etc. as support materiel in the middle east until quite recently (like, several months back, and in small numbers), so FNH-made M4s likely date to US ground-deployment in the region, or some covert gun-running operation (aka soon to be scandal). Entirely possible that some Cartel is selling guns over there; God knows they are buying up everything that throws lead in that part of the world. Not sure how it's a civilian problem, though; given the configuration of the weapon, it would have likely been sold/given to the Mexican federales as a DEA aid thing, with the full knowledge it would eventually 'seep' into the cartels infiltrating/controlling them (or simply be used to murder autodefensas.)
"Well my actual point is that if CNN has incorrectly labeled this as an AR-15 semi-automatic they need to be trounced for continuing the AR as an "assault weapon" lie. And I guess at that point this conversation goes to activism forum for a request for a mass mailing."
Yes; CNN conflating a select fire rifle our military stupidly left to the traitorous Iraqi Army unit that defected to ISIS, with semi-auto variants produced and sold domestically for law-abiding sport and self defense is something they should be trounced for. Many of these guns were subsequently taken off dead Daesh goons --shrapnel damage and all-- and jerry-rigged back into operating condition by Kurdish shade-tree gunsmiths working to fight our battles without military aid.
TCB
22-rimfire
Member
The news people frequently get it wrong when it comes to AR's (AR-15 like rifles). The AR-15 terminology is civilian, but they use it to apply to the military stuff too. Was the point of the mention that the US is supplying light weapons to ISIS?
OP
OP
Guy B. Meredith
Member
Elkins45
Member
Marginally related question: how long have we been issuing flat top rifles to US troops?
M4s went flattop around 1998 and the M16A4 was adopted and fielded in quantity around 2004.
I'm on my phone now, I can give you the dates when I get back to my PC.
I'm on my phone now, I can give you the dates when I get back to my PC.
R.W.Dale
Member
Between the this administration's misguided efforts to arm "moderate rebels" (oxymoron) and the cowardly Iraqis either turning tail and leaving our equipment or merely turning sides ISIS has no shortage of western weapons
During our stay in Iraq we distroyed a lot of AK's of Sadam's army and re-issued them M16's. As far as I know we never supplied the semi-auto AR-15 variant to military personel. (correct me if I'm wrong.) Hell even our local federal prison is supplied with M16's. Why would we supply anything but the M16 to the military of other countries.
ISIS has a lot more US equipment of all sorts that we feed into the mideast supporting the Afgan's that were fighting Russa, Building up the Irag army during are occupation, supplied to the "rebels" fighting in Syria, and I would think also supplying arms to the new government in Afganistan.
Does it surprise anybody that CNN would imply that we civilians have the same weapons in our homes as ISIS ?
ISIS has a lot more US equipment of all sorts that we feed into the mideast supporting the Afgan's that were fighting Russa, Building up the Irag army during are occupation, supplied to the "rebels" fighting in Syria, and I would think also supplying arms to the new government in Afganistan.
Does it surprise anybody that CNN would imply that we civilians have the same weapons in our homes as ISIS ?
ApacheCoTodd
member
So, let's see....
al-Assad is fighting an insurgent based civil war.
We decide (not incorrectly) that he's a vile person and decide (questionably) to dabble in the fight.
We help to arm the "rebels" and "freedom fighters".
The single largest organized body fighting al-Assad is IS/ISIS/ISIL, etc...
ISIS has U.S. weapons!?!... I'm shocked!... Shocked to find that...
Nothing to see here folks.
Todd.
al-Assad is fighting an insurgent based civil war.
We decide (not incorrectly) that he's a vile person and decide (questionably) to dabble in the fight.
We help to arm the "rebels" and "freedom fighters".
The single largest organized body fighting al-Assad is IS/ISIS/ISIL, etc...
ISIS has U.S. weapons!?!... I'm shocked!... Shocked to find that...
Nothing to see here folks.
Todd.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
