Its driving me nuts!!!!

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So I found a sweet load of 25gr Benchmark for 223rem with 55gr Nosler BT 5 in one hole. I put my boyds stock on and retried that load with 15 rounds and it fired all over the place. I had a 5 pack of 25.3gr Benchmark in my ammo box that I meant to test and sure as a bear crapping in the woods 25.3gr put 4 out of 5 through the same hole at 100yards. I've got 3 days of working then woodchuck hunting in the evening starting tomorrow and I just cant bring myself to hunt with either of those loads because of how 25gr shot amazing twice with the factory stock but half dollar groups with the Boyds and now 25.3 shoots amazing!! I know I could just retest that load but I have to work till 4pm all weekend and then meet my buddy to hunt till dark so no time!

can you say OCD!!!
 
rsrocket1 said:
Ditto put that factory stock back on but you may also screw that up if a piece of the stock is touching the barrel.
Moral of the story: Don't mess with stuff if you are on a tight schedule. Been there done that.
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The thing is now all of a sudden it shoots fine but I'd rather confirm it. Factory stock won't allow bipod use either. I may run to the range at 430pm to check and meet him at the farm.
 
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WestKentucky said:
If it ain’t broke you had better fix it anyways, otherwise you have nothing to tinker with and be aggravated at.
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Not sure if that was a shot at me or what. lol. :)

I cant use a bipod on the factory stock cause it flexes way too much so i figured i would throw a Boyds on it.
 
I would suggest that you need to shoot more groups to get a statistically significant average group size. If you take any two loads one could shoot .5 moa and the other 1 moa, and if you shoot them a week later that could reverse. You need at least like 3 5 shot groups to really determine if it’s a good shooting load or not.
 
someguy2800 said:
I would suggest that you need to shoot more groups to get a statistically significant average group size. If you take any two loads one could shoot .5 moa and the other 1 moa, and if you shoot them a week later that could reverse. You need at least like 3 5 shot groups to really determine if it’s a good shooting load or not.
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The 25gr shot one hole twice for a total of 10 rounds so i figured i was fine. I then loaded 10 more just to be sure and put the new stock on and not so good. I have 10 more loaded up i will shoot tonight if hes not in a rush and see what they do.
 
Did you check to see if your old stock was free float? There may have been a pressure pad and changing stocks moved this. Take a close look at you old stock, it will indicate where it's been contacting.
 
Blue68f100 said:
Did you check to see if your old stock was free float? There may have been a pressure pad and changing stocks moved this. Take a close look at you old stock, it will indicate where it's been contacting.
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The old one was free floated and the Boyds is also. I did have to re zero when i put the Boyds on. It was about 4-5'' high compared to the factory stock.
 
From the time you first came to this forum till now you have complained about things other shooters would strive for. What is wrong with half dollar size groups from an inexpensive hunting rifle? Like I have told you many times before, you are worrying about things that are really not a problem. So this stock want a 25.3gr charge, what's the problem?

When shooting at a Chuck does it really matter which eye you hit?

I have a Howa 1500 in .223 that shoots very small groups with my handloads. I have wanted to change the stock to the newer Hogue overmolded stock they now come with but the gun shoots so well now I decided to leave it as is. Like said, if it ain't broke don't fix it. That's just me.
 
ArchAngelCD said:
From the time you first came to this forum till now you have complained about things other shooters would strive for. What is wrong with half dollar size groups from an inexpensive hunting rifle? Like I have told you many times before, you are worrying about things that are really not a problem. So this stock want a 25.3gr charge, what's the problem?

When shooting at a Chuck does it really matter which eye you hit?

I have a Howa 1500 in .223 that shoots very small groups with my handloads. I have wanted to change the stock to the newer Hogue overmolded stock they now come with but the gun shoots so well now I decided to leave it as is. Like said, if it ain't broke don't fix it. That's just me.
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I'm a perfectionist what can i say!!

If the rifle has always produce half dollar groups i would accept that fact but when it goes from 5 shots one hole to having a mind of its own then it drives you crazy! :)

I wasn't even really complaining in the OP i was more saying it was driving me crazy because my OCD is so freaking bad i just have to have it do the same thing over and over again. My buddy makes fun of me because sometimes i will have a bad day and not get a single 5 shot group to touch and it really pisses me off. lol. :)

In the OP i said i cant get to the range to check 25.3 and make sure it wasn't just a fluke it shot that well or what was going on. Heck i went through 2 boxes of 300gr JHP for a 45-70 trying to get a Marlin lever action to touch holes. Once that accuracy bug bites it infects you!!

Main reason for changing the stock was the grip flexes almost to the point where it feels like its going to break, the forend has so much flex in it i fired 3 rounds at a woodchuck at 150yards last year prone and a few sitting and never hit them until i put a Boyds prairie hunter stock on the rifle and hit a chuck on the second shot at almost 300yards after adjusting the turrets. It does make a significant difference. I didn't put a boyds on it to make it look pretty i did it so there isn't any flex making it inaccurate.

Sorry for being such a bother!! :)
 
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Sure sounds like something in the new stock is not quite right and tweaking or springing the action. Over/under tightening action screws? Investigate and FIX IT DARN IT... Let us know what the problem was.
 
Id have to agree likely a mating surface issue, the axis has a a lot of opportunity for miss alignment and parts needing to "settle" honestly if i owned (or ever do own) and axis, id likely convert it to a standard 110 style recoil lug, just to remove that one part from the equation.
As is id say finish your season, and or check your 25.3 load, then bed your action and recoil lug into your stock.
 
Well I checked 5 rounds of 25.3 and it wasn't horrible but didn't do the one hole like the previous load. I had one flier :(

Buddy wanted to sight his rifle in this morning so I tagged along.

I am glad I did check it because it was about an inch low for some reason.

I do have an issue with the stock though because once the magazine goes in its very hard to remove.
 
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ohihunter2014 said:
Well I checked 5 rounds of 25.3 and it wasn't horrible but didn't do the one hole like the previous load. I had one flier :(

Buddy wanted to sight his rifle in this morning so I tagged along.

I am glad I did check it because it was about an inch low for some reason.

I do have an issue with the stock though because once the magazine goes in its very hard to remove.
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That's one of the things with changing stocks, rarely if ever are they truly "drop in".
You may want to just do your bedding job one evening should only take an hour or two. Epoxy should've set up by the next morning and fully cured by the next afternoon.

In the process check that your recoil lug isnt bottoming out. To do that just make a mark on your recievers where it sits now, then remove the lug and see if it sits any different.
 
If you're going to bed put a couple layers of masking tape on bottom of lug and trim all around close w/a razor blade. When you apply release agent put at least 3 coats over tape. After you remove action ensure tape is still on lug. If it is not remove all of it from bottom of mortise. There should now be ample clearance at bottom of mortise for lug not to bear.
 
When you switched stocks and your impact point moved up 4 or 5 inches,it's a very good indicator that the bedding on the stocks is different.Bullet impact moving up usually means upward stress on the barrel,or the area around the front action screw isn't straight.Stocks can vary so much,and actions may or may not like the way the stock fits them.I bed all of my rifles,even the stocks that have aluminum bedding blocks.The stress free pillar bedding method and Devcon liquid steel have been my preferred method and material in the last few years.Also,a stock can settle into place under recoil and get a little better as time goes on,but for consistency and accuracy,a good bedding job and a free floated barrel is usually the ticket.
 
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