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Since when is the STI Spartan Armani? I, for one do not consider Kimber, Colt, HK, or STI to be a high end pistol. They are no Korth.
I'll keep my down and dirty simple boomsticks that go bang everytime.
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What do you consider this to be? Raven?
I carry a Colt 1911 that I inherited from my father when he died. Sure an STI is not cheap but you are paying for a extremely well built pistol that will out last you and your kids with proper care. I have never seen the point of buying a cheap firearm only because it has a life time warranty. I work on an extremely tight budget and as such I must save for long periods of time to afford the things I want. I will never compromise my safety with a lesser firearm.
 
As long as people have fun, who cares.

The "right" way to use something is whatever way makes you happy.
 
Maybe I just live in some kind of fantasy world, but the guns mentioned by the OP all strike me as very capable, decent, but still run-of-the-mill middle-class firearms.

To me, the phrase "high end" is evocative of models like Korth Troja, Sig P210, Walther GSP, or STI Trubore Grandmaster. Or a firearm that has been heavily modified by a gunsmith.

Even then, the model of the firearm is going to be completely ancillary to the skill of the person shooting it. It's a cliche that software trumps hardware, but it is true, especially with pistols.

The "right" way to use something is whatever way makes you happy.
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I have to disagree with this notion. No shooter should be happy to just spray and pray, wasting ammunition willy-nilly, missing targets completely. This is especially true if s/he intends to keep a firearm for self-defense purposes. Ultimately, it is our responsibility as gun owners to be able to deliver accurate fire, on demand and under pressure. After all, you are responsible for every bullet that leaves the barrel of your firearm, and while turning money into noise at the range can be fun, it can mean the end of a life in the real world.
 
i wasn't aware that stereotyping a group of people together was The High Road way.....


ps from the perspective of someone who owns and operates a indoor shooting range, 90% of people cant shoot period.... it has nothing to do with Race, Sex, Religion, or Money...


most people are so convinced in their own knowledge that they have no interest in listening to any help from anyone...

i have quite a few very affluent shooters who can out shoot a lot of my others, however i have a lot of people in a very low income bracket that can shoot extremely well as well
 
well hey atleast hes having fun and probably not not hurting anyone so let him we can always use another person on our side
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PBD for the thread win.

Look - everyone was a tyro at one point. Every. Single. One. Of. Us.

Instead of bagging on folk because they have more money than skill, it's probably far more useful to teach them or point them to proper training.
 
Consider: Everyone is good at something. Just because a guy doesn't know how to fix a car and your a mechanical whiz doesn't make him stupid.

You may laugh at the guy that can't change his tire and find yourself looking into his eyes when you need heart surgery.

Sometimes those that dedicate themselves to one specialty have great success, but not necessary considered well rounded in experience. He can afford to have his tire changed - but can you afford what he's good at?
 
Sound like a guy who spends a lot of time on THR debating what's the "best" this and the "best" that... :)

I learned long ago, that people who spend a lot of time running around bragging about their "stuff" often have a really low self esteem, because they don't do anything that they're actually proud of (either because they can't, or because their so afraid to fail that they never try).
 
Might be an equipment fetish . . . I had one once, with cameras . . . spent lots of money on cameras, attachments, accessories -- and still took lousy pictures.
 
I always try to be helpful. I went shooting with my stepdad (my mom married a "gun nut" and I was quite happy to participate in the wedding) with an XD40, Para 1911, and an S&W Sigma 9mm. A decent collection of affordable guns. The guy in the lane to the right of us was there with his girlfriend, and a Beretta 92 Inox - about twice the cost of my Sigma.

He turned to watch us, to see how we were gripping the guns and how we were standing. We gladly helped the guy, seeing as he didn't really know what was going on.

But I didn't blame him, he wanted to learn and was willing to admit that he didn't know how to grip a gun or position himself. The guys to the left of us couldn't hit jack with their "Glock fo' five". They just acted like they were hot stuff the whole time they were shooting it, and I couldn't help but laugh at their lack of gun knowledge.

Meanwhile, I was hitting 3" groups at 5 yards with my crappy-triggered ol' Sigma.
 
j-easy said:
this is life and this happens in every hobby, there will always be the guy that can't change his own oil yet owns some of the nicest classic cars money can buy.
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Yup. I've had to compete against people on horses that cost 4 to 10 times what mine did. 90% of them cost at least 3 times what mine cost. And sadly, sometimes those people were just passengers...their horses knew their jobs and did them with little piloting.

We worked hard and still beat them all on occasion. It made me a better horseman. It would have been nice to afford more horsepower, but it made the times we won all the sweeter.
 
Can't let the fact that some people have nicer things bother you too much. I'd like to have a nice mansion in Malibu or some such place but it just ain't gonna happen. On the other hand I do have a nice Dan Wesson CBOB :D.
 
I LOVE the variety of views, opinions and the surprising differences in what those who replied to the original post apparently read into my post.

Yes to SSN Vet's remark:
I learned long ago, that people who spend a lot of time running around bragging about their "stuff" often have a really low self esteem... .

I very much sensed that about him ... and it actually made me a little sad for him. Which is why I made the initial effort, trying to be helpful with a fresh target, so he could see where he was hitting. I was watching for any hint that he wished he was shooting better or any suggestion that he was open to additional help. I didn't want to press myself further without some sign from him. He was not especially easy to approach but perhaps he was just unsure of himself or, perhaps, cautious that a stranger walked up to him.

I have gladly helped others who have approached me asking how long I've been shooting or how I learned to shoot "like that" ... thus giving me an opening to offer to watch them shoot to see if I could give them some ideas on improving their shooting.

In fact I had helped an elderly white haired lady earlier that day. I learned that her husband golfed and she thought needed a hobby so she had just finished her CCW training and was working on becoming a better shot. She loved shooting. She had a .38 revolver but was practicing with a .22 revolver to keep costs down. She wanted to graduate to a semi-auto "like yours" she said, someday, when she got better. She was delightful, open to suggestion and yes, she was shooting much better by the time she left the range.

Well, anyway, I love the variety of replies. And I learn ... I always learn something new.
 
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I finally had to move away before I started drowning in my own drool.

I'd love to be able to afford any one of his fine weapons. He seemingly doesn't have any real use for them. :rolleyes:
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There is a book I read once in a while. The first five chapters are Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. One of the 10 "suggestions" in Chapter 2 states something to the effect, "You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor"

Scott
 
I wish more people were well off/rich. I've had the pleasure of working for a few well off persons and found them to be like everyone else. Some of them are tremendous people, and in my experience the majority of them started with nothing and worked very hard to get where they are.
 
I don't care how you try to slice it, sounds to me like class envy. Lame. You really know nothing about the man, but made a lot of assumptions (and the herd started to join in), as stated above.
 
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I don't care how you try to slice it, sounds to me like class envy. Lame. You really know nothing about the man, but made a lot of assumptions (and the herd started to join in), as stated above.
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Thanks for straightening us all out ... really. We are indeed unworthy and cursed as you ASSUMED.

Off Topic, how is it going there in God's country? :uhoh:
 
Thanks for straightening us all out ... really. We are indeed unworthy and cursed as you ASSUMED.
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See my point? When someone else assumed about you, you act all hurt and defensive.

Btw, God's country is just fine.:D
 
I consider myself to be a decent shot, but given some of what has been posted here I recognize that a lot of you are way better than me; however, if I did not spend four years of my life in medical school followed by another four as a resident maybe I would have had more time to spend at the range.

So I might be that guy in the next lane with the kicka** hardware but the so-so shooting skill.

Envy is a perfectly human emotion to experience and I am also guilty of it: i.e. a good friend of mine treated women terribly but never lacked for having beautiful women falling overthemselves for him. I always fancied myself as a decent gentleman (with a nice career to boot) but always had trouble getting a date. Unfair? Probably, but that is life.
 
I love rich guys! One of my finest moments at the range came when a local tort king from the city who shall be unnamed came to the range with a double rifle that cost much more than the car I was driving at the time. We ended up next to each other. I had a 91/30 Tula Mosin and proceeded to outshoot him ;-)

Oh, he was not happy!
 
You don't have to be rich to be a poor shot. I go to the range all the time and I see lots and lots of people that struggle at the range. Half the people have gun "issues" and half can't find the target center. There is nothing wrong with being a bad shot, I had to work very hard to become a proficient shooter. Most people only go to the range once every 5 or 10 years. For the average guy it would be a successful trip if the gun functions and they can shoot within the target frame.

Thanx, Russ
 
I was outshooting a man with a $3000 M1911 with my Glock.

I know that I outshot him, because he was kind enough to let me put three rounds down range with it. I stayed within the 4" of color at 7 yards, with his gun. He didn't. My Glock target from varying ranges of 7-25 yards had 50 bullets that would fit within an 8" plate. at 7 yards, he was hitting as much as a foot over in various directions.

So yea, I can relate to how ridiculous it looks when stuff like that happens. It's why I like to shoot my AR with optic alone; I don't want people to know how bad I am :eek:
 
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