It's time to stop saying "Assault Weapon"

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There is NO SUCH THING, technically, as an "assault weapon", unless you're using it to describe a weapon with which an assault has occurred.

An Assault RIFLE is selective (semi and fully-automatic or burst) and fires a cartridge more powerful than a handgun and less than a full-power/battle rifle (8x57mm, .308, .303, .30-06, 7.62x54mm, etc). My AR-15 is not an assault rifle. My M4 was.

Why is it time to "stop" saying "assault weapon"? I never have said assault weapon, so why should I stop? I don't know any knowledgeable gun people who've used the term, either.

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I'd care more if I knew our side was willing and capable of using correct spellings and terminology as well.
So long as our membership is full of idiots that can't spell Clinton or California, and feel the need to add '-istan' after everywhere they don't like(and oh so much more)...well, hello kettle.

Not to mention, it isn't very high road, anyhow. Sorry, just need to let that out every now an again.
 
I get more irritated over quasi-nicknames like "Romy", "Izzy" and the like. What is this, Teletubbies?
 
Great post! Wonderful thought! And totally right on!

When I open my safe to show a friend my collection my AR15 Hbar lays in front. I usually say, "This is my only assault weapon". When I say it I choke a little inside.

Now I'll call the gun a sub-caliber, semi-auto, sudo military style rifle. Which it is.

I find it interesting that when the looney left newspaper people describe an "assault weapon" they call them "powerful", which anyone who knows them, knows is untrue. However, the great mass of untrained civilians does consider so called, assault weapons, as super powerful, fully automatic machine guns. All untrue.

I've also seen Garands described as assault weapons, which they are not. They are better described as battle rifles.
 
I'm indirectly responsible for the failure of more restrictive gun rules in a certain U.S. jurisdiction (not a state or DC). Many years ago in a tavern, I explained over beers to a young friend how "assault rifle" cartridges are weaker than deer hunting cartridges, as well as how rifle rounds, unlike handgun rounds, penetrate apartment walls, and a few other gun things he was amazed to learn. He knew nothing about guns, and is not a shooter. But my old friend is now in charge of, among other things, gun stuff in a U.S. jurisdiction. Many, many people now enjoy considerably more freedom than they otherwise would have, if not for that casual conversation many many years ago.

It never hurts to educate an anti.
 
There is NO SUCH THING, technically, as an "assault weapon"

Are not Bazooka's and LAW's type weapons AW's if so that is a DD article,

It must be said (and no own has said it yet) Assault Weapons as referring to guns is a term made up by that idiot josh sugarman, everybody remember him, he wants a confiscation of all handguns in the US, I suggest everyone go read his book and get a look at how this guy thinks,
 
In the old days, you used to hear of farmers using rock salt in shotguns to drive off teenagers who were stealing produce out of their gardens. I guess those would have been a-Salt weapons. I never heard of anyone using an a-Pepper weapon, though, until pepper spray came out. :p
 
I think the term everyone is dancing around is "para-military." Strangely, the media prefers "assault", which has become controversial and discredited. Semi-automatic ARs and AKs configured for para-military operations are para-military rifles. "Tactical gear" (stupid term) is para-military equipment.
 
When the term became official legislation it became real, even if it is a totaly innacurate misleading term. You cannot ignore the term without ignoring the law.


The term does not actualy refer to a specific type of weapon, neither rifle, nor handgun, nor shotgun.
Everyone has a different definition, and they generaly add to the scope of included firearm types.
All you need to do is look to CA for an example.
A pistol with a threaded barrel is an assault weapon, certainly something even the gun owner that thinks they have a grasp on the term's definition would not think of.


A firearm that holds over some number of arbitrary rounds becomes an assault weapon.
Even gun owners often think they know what the term refers to, but they really do not.
It is a legal term with different and changing definitions, not an actual weapon type. Even by anti standards, the definition is totaly inconclusive.

In CA a .50 BMG weapon is an "assault weapon", whether semi-auto, or bolt action, even with a 5 round magazine, or even single shot that has to be broken down to reload after each shot. It is the chambering not any feature that creates the "assault weapon" status in that situation.
If you really think you know the definition of "assault weapon" then you are already partialy defeated.

"Assault Weapon" means whatever the antis want it to mean in the minds of the listener. That is more or less in different states, depending on what legislation they think they can get away with.
In some states it is an AR, AK, in others it is a rifle with a magazine over 10 rounds, 15 rounds, 20 rounds...
In some it is a pistol with a threaded barrel, or chambered in a certain cartridge. In some it is a semi auto shotgun that holds over an even lower number of rounds than allowed for rifles, or that takes any detachable magazine.
In some it also means any rifle under 30".

You do not know the definition of "Assault Weapon" and the term will encompass something different as time goes by. It is a legal term, designed by the antis to fight a legal battle to remove a constitutional right.
However because it is a legal term, it is a real ever changing thing.


Unfortunately because they have legislated the term we must use it to challenge the legislation.
If someone created laws regarding some other fake thing, you would still need to use the fake name to challenge the law.


I think the term everyone is dancing around is "para-military."
Read my post again. You do not know the definition of "Assault Weapon".
Clearly in your mind it is paramilitary rifles. Itself a term that conjures images of items used for violent military purposes in the general population.
However a 26-30" hunting rifle is an Assault weapon in CA. A pistol with a threaded barrel is, including many target pistols and those with no military practicality.

You do not know the definition because there is no set definition and new bills to add additional weapons, features, calibers etc to "assault weapon" restrictions come up every year. If they pass they modify the existing state definition.
Do they suddenly became "para-military" at that point? They may have never been or ever will be "para-military". So no.
They do however suddenly became "assault-weapons". If you think you know the definition you are already helping defeat your rights!

The term "assault weapon" is effective because it conjures up restrictions of an "acceptable" nature in some while having no real definition. In the really uninformed the very term including "assault" makes them bad items. Nobody needs to be assaulting others, so weapons for that purpose should be banned.
In some others informed enough to be thier own worst enemy they think it means a certain type of military weapon.
Both are wrong.
Those people can then be exploited, and the legal term can slowly encompass more and more.
 
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+1 Zoogster.

We should not be trying to win the argument that certain firearms are not technically assault weapons, or even the argument that the term assault weapons is an inaccurate term. That argument gets us nowhere. It is just semantics. The anti's know what guns they want to ban, no matter what we agree to call them.

The argument we need to be making is that the 2nd amendment specifically refers to militarily effective firearms. Make people realize that the only way to legally ban assault weapons is to repeal the 2nd amendment.

If we try to make the argument that these "assault weapons" aren't really all that powerful or effective for killing people, we will just come across as disingenuous and the anti's will roll there eyes and continue to believe that we are trying to hide something from them.

Why can't we just say that yes these guns are pretty efficient for killing people, but history has shown that sometimes people need to defend their lives and freedom by going into battle against other people.
 
ARs, AKs, AKMs, Saigas, and such---Semi-Automatic Sports Rifles (for those fun sporting purposes)

30 round magazine common to AKs and ARs, 30 and 50 round magazines for Galil .223s, 20 round mags for CETME/FAL/G3, etc. etc.---Sport's Standard Magazine.

Let's borrow from the NRA. We are yes interested in the protection of our persons which we choose(some of us do) to accomplish by legally carrying a firearm. But we stand first for the tradition and past-time of firearm ownership which funnels down into the sport and skill of marksmanship. Going to the range and mastering the skill of a firearm is a sport, a concerted activity(tens of millions of Americans engage in it everyday) engaged in for the purposes of improving one's skill and efficiency with a sporting instrument, i.e. firearm.

A fifty round magazine is a sporting magazine because it may take a great deal of skill only developed through regular and frequent practice at the range where one can put fifty round of .223 through a grouping the size of a nickel.

UFC has become a sport. Having done kickboxing and grappling before it became known as MMA and the '04 hurricanes took my gym out, when people thought us guys were nothing more than bloodthirsty ogres. Now seeing a hundred million dollar industry loved and accepted by a great majority of society I see the need to take the tradition of firearm ownership and paint it in a light of a sporting activity. Make shooting competitions more stream-lined and public. Better advertise the senior men and women who do incredibly well at shooting competitions with factory stock firearms, I've seen Ruger P90s and Sp-101s more than a few times mentioned.

Mention the women who are top competitors in competitive shooting. Talk about the competitions where Senior citizens, wounded veterans, handicapped people partake and greatly love the competitions. The NRA was amongst the first to take those horribly disfigured veterans of World War One and offer them a sport to compete in where they could do so with dignity.

Let's bring back folks seeing boy scouts shooting .22s like a birthright of becomming 12 years old. Let's show families, clean and god-fearing, going out to public ranges being safe and responsible, cleaning up after themselves, and going home to a family made(Dad helps too) dinner. We have to stop letting ourselves being painted as a fringe element, tough survivalists waiting for the end of the world, Dirty Harry fiends, and Red Dawn loving (hey I love the movie too), oddities of a dead and backwards culture(as the antis might try to paint it). I'm only 24 so I can't say forty plus years ago before 1968 I remember when... But from our fellow posters and folks of advanced wisdom with whom I have spoken with, there was a time when a ten year old buying a .22 at a local hardware store was no big deal, buy a deer hunting rifle at 14 was common, and keeping a handgun hanging from a gun belt near the front door was as common as Sunday church service was long. And in those days things look to have been a lot safer, people a lot happier, and freedom and liberty better respected. Maybe there's just a point of nostalgia that each generation has that looks back on the past, but it is an idea to ponder.

Granted I'm an official Certified Pistol Instructor and NRA member(got the annual and will get the lifetime when it runs out) so maybe I'm a little biased now.
 
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