Jihadist caught near Chicago, planned grenade attacks on shoppers.

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I don't want to hear that all Muslims are peaceful from anyone while this <> is going on.

And "situational awareness" advice...DO YOUR SHOPPING ONLINE. They're out there, and crowded malls are too inviting a target. Plus you'll get better buys and your car won't get dinged. Order from Amazon and go out to dinner with family instead.

Dec. 8, 2006 — ABC News has learned a Chicago-area man has been charged with plotting a terrorist attack.

Derrick Shareef, of Rockford, Ill was arrested Wednesday by the Joint Terrorism Taskforce when he met an undercover agent to trade hand grenades and a 9-millimeter handgun for a set of stereo speakers.

Shareef is accused of planning to use firearms and explosives to attack the CherryVale shopping mall in Rockford. The alleged plan was to target the 130-store mall during the holiday shopping season.

In September, Shareef became acquainted with a confidential witness who was cooperating with the FBI and confided to him that he wanted to commit acts of violent jihad against civilians.

On December 2, Shareef and the confidential source made video tapes of their last wills and testament.

On the video, Shareef again mentions jihad and says, "This is a warning to those who disbelieve, that we are here for you and I am ready to give my life."

On that last bit, especially, how many think like this guy? How many of them here are there?

And perhaps tactical schools should offer a course in moving targets as "shooting to stop a running bomber"?
 
On that last bit, especially, how many think like this guy? How many of them here are there?
All I can say is that here in Ohio, unless the mall was posted, he'd neither get very far, nor live very long.

In Illinois, he'd probably kill a couple of dozen people.
 
Overwhelmingly agree with all of you.

If you have the time, read "The Teeth of the Tiger" by Tom Clancy. (I understand it is fiction, but I also noticed that in 1995, Clancy wrote a book with this insane idea that someone could steal a jetliner and ram it into the capitol building or some such impossible nonesense.)

Islamic terrorists employ Mexican coyotes to smuggle them accross the border and provide them with arms. They split accross the country in groups, and at a pre-planned time, they open fire in four malls accross the country. One of the malls they hit was the Provo Towne Centre in Provo, Utah, (my dad still lives seven miles from there,) and they barely got in the door before they were leveled by a dozen or so CCW holders.

If (I still euphemistically say 'IF' since it has now happened,) someone were to attempt this, would they try it in an area where on any given saturday, there are a hundred or so privately owned concealed guns walking around downtown?
 
Bast@#%@!:mad: I'm doing my small part and getting my CCW testing done on Sunday. You guys sure make some good points.
 
Just because some Muslims are terrorists doesn't make it okay to persecute or look down on them all, just as since some gun owners are criminals it doesn't make it okay to persecute or look down on them all.
 
The Chicago Jihadi was going to do most of the work with explosives according to the USA Fitzgerald on WLS, 890AM.

Remember, Jihadis tried to do mass killings with firearms in Israel and were cut down by pistol packing Israelis. One survivor who was captured told Mossad that he and his fellow terrorists had no idea that Israelis carried guns.

The Jihadis here do know where people are likely to be armed and will avoid those places. They will concentrate in non-carry states or cities, i.e. Chicago, DC, NYC rather than SLC or Indianapolis, as I have been told by FBI agents and noted firearms instructors. Looking at March 2008 or 09 for next strike as likely dates.

According to the USA it appears this guy was a lone wolf.
 
The scary part is we are playing the odds. Eventually one of these guys will find a real weapons dealer and will be some level of successful. Even if he doesn't kill anyone he will be successful. Because once it happens I doubt you will see an outpouring of support for carrying at malls. I expect to see campaigns to put metal detectors at the doors and prevent anyone from carrying in malls. I'd bet a body part they get much more restrictive instead of less restrictive. Maybe if a CCW cuts him down pronto than maybe it won't go bonkers. But the attacker will likely attack somewhere where there won't be any legal CCW and an onslaught of new restrictions will follow in knee-jerk fashion.
 
Here it is from Fox:
Feds Arrest Man They Say Planned to Detonate Grenades in Illinois Shopping Mall
Friday, December 08, 2006

By Liza Porteus

Dec. 8: Courtroom artist's drawing is a man identified by authorities as Derrick Shareef, 22, of Rockford, Ill., as he appeared before a judge.
CHICAGO — A man has been arrested by federal agents on charges of planning to set off hand grenades at an Illinois shopping mall on Dec. 22 as part of his plan to commit "violent jihad" against civilians.

Derrick Shareef, 22, of Rockford, was arrested when he carried out a rendezvous with an undercover agent in a parking lot to trade a set of stereo speakers for four grenades and a handgun.

Federal officials said he planned to place the grenades in garbage cans at the CherryVale shopping mall in Rockford, about 90 miles northwest of Chicago.

Shareef was charged with one count of attempting to damage or destroy a building by fire or explosion and one count of attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction. Officials say he was acting alone and there was never any real threat.

"The Joint Terrorism Task Force was all over this … and the only person involved in this plot was Mr. Shareef and two people working for the government," U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald said during a press conference from Chicago Friday afternoon.

"We believe we've neutralized this threat," added Robert Grant, special agent in charge of the Chicago office of the FBI.

He planned the attack for the Friday before Christmas.

"He fixed on a day of December 22nd on Friday ... because it was the Friday before Christmas and thought that would be the highest concentration of shoppers that he could kill and injure," Grant said.

If convicted, each charge in the complaint carries a maximum penalty of life in prison and a $250,000 fine.

A handcuffed Shareef appeared before U.S. Magistrate Judge Maria Valdez Friday. She ordered him held without bond and set a Dec. 20 hearing on a defense motion for bail.

"He did have the intention, if the allegations in the complaint are true, to engage in violence against the public," Fitzgerald added.

Fitzgerald noted that Shareef only decided upon the targeted mall after surveying several facilities, and that he was not a well-funded would-be terrorist.

Federal officials said that in September, Shareef became acquainted with a witness who was cooperating with the FBI and confided to him that he wanted to commit acts of "violent jihad," as well as other crimes, to obtain funds to further his goals.

From then on, Shareef's activities and movements were under constant surveillance and "there was no imminent risk to the public," Robert Grant, special agent-in-charge of the Chicago Office of the FBI, said in a statement.

"By using an undercover agent, confidential sources and physical surveillance, the JTTF was in position to continuously monitor Shareef's activities and was prepared to intervene before he could act," he added.

The CherryVale Mall was among several potential targets that Shareef allegedly discussed during the course of the investigation, authorities said, while the others were primarily local government facilities.

According to an FBI affidavit supporting the complaint, Shareef became acquainted in September with someone in Rockford, in whom he confided about his jihad dreams. That confidant, referred to as "the CS" in the affidavit, was a FBI witness. The CS told Shareef that he would introduce him to a friend who was able to obtain weapons. That "friend" was actually an undercover government agent.

During the investigation, the CS recorded many conversations with Shareef. On Nov. 29, Shareef mentioned "courthouses, city hall, government places, government facilities," as potential targets.

The next day, Shareef and the CS discussed the CherryVale Mall as a possible target. Around 6:15 p.m. on Nov. 30, Shareef and the CS went to the mall while under surveillance by authorities.

They walked around, discussing the layout and best spots to set off several grenades to create more pandemonium, according to the affidavit. In a Dec. 1 conversation, the two allegedly discussed purchasing hand grenades from the undercover agent and the timing mechanism of the grenades. They also discussed shaving their body hair and meditating to prepare for an attack.

When they arrived at the mall a second time under surveillance, Shareef and the CS walked around and measured the time it would take to walk from one point to another in the mall.

According to the affidavit, on Dec. 2, while driving around Rockford in the CS's car and still under surveillance, Shareef and the CS discussed exchanging a set of Shareef's stereo speakers for the weapons. Later that day, the two videotaped each other making statements similar to those made by those planning attacks in the name of jihad, according to the complaint.

The exchange between the CS, Shareef and the undercover was scheduled for Wednesday of this week at a store parking lot in Rockford. After greeting each other, the two showed each other the equipment they were to swap, then the CS signaled federal agents waiting nearby. Shareef was arrested without incident.

FOX News' Ian McCaleb and The Associated Press contributed to this report
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Interesting that this is the top story on Fox, and I could not even find it on CNN. :rolleyes:
 
So are all the hero CCW holders planning on shooting anyone they find near the freaking trash can?

The guy's plan was to place grenades in trash cans. I don't know how all of the CCW posse is going to figure out who is placing grenades in the can and who is throwing their wrappers from the food court away. :uhoh:

Like it or not, gunfire isn't the solution to every tactical problem.

When they start issuing ESP pills with your permits you can talk about how you're going to heroically stop an attack by someone intent on placing grenades in a trash cans. Until then you're just making the gun culture look like a bunch of Walter Mitty wannabees.

Jeff
 
So are all the hero CCW holders planning on shooting anyone they find near the freaking trash can?

The guy's plan was to place grenades in trash cans. I don't know how all of the CCW posse is going to figure out who is placing grenades in the can and who is throwing their wrappers from the food court away.
And how exactly does that work? Have you ever used a handgrenade?

You pull the pin on a handgrenade, the spoon flies off and N seconds later it goes off. Was he planning to just pull the pins and put them in garbage cans? Why? The first one would go off LONG before he walked or even ran to another garbage can. How long do you think the delay element on a handgrenade is?

To hear you tell it, he'd kill HIMSELF with the FIRST grenade.

I just heard on the news that he was trying to get a pistol. He certainly seemed to THINK he was going to be around to do some shooting.

Maybe I'm just confused, but tell me again the advantage of LETTING him walk around doing WHATEVER with handgrenades and a handgun, WAITING for the cops to come...
 
This is the sort of story that I take with a few grains of salt until more information is forthcoming. This guy might turn out to be an emotionally disturbed person off his meds rather than a bona fide threat.

We'll have to wait and see.
 
Mr. White - I am not an enemy of my country....I've fought for my country, I am a CCI holder and damn proud of it, and a man with (I truly hope) the self-discipline and sound emotion to control my urge to pull a firearm in crowded areas. But, if one of them indeed pops the top on a pocket bomb I will open fire.
 
Manedwolf - no-one said all Muslims are peaceful.

Expect that some would answer Jeff's perfectly reasonable question by stating that they'd shoot anyone who looked a bit muslim.

It might be that I'm sat across a big expanse of water, and you might not give a fig what I think, but some comments really do affect the way that I (and others like me) perceive this community. Plenty of you have made a big positive impact, some have done and presently are doing the opposite.
 
A guy named Derrick thought he could trade some speakers for hand grenades?

Sounds more like a retarded doof than a "Jihadist terrorist".
 
Jeff, did not an elderly Israeli lady shoot a jihadi in the back of the head in a grocery store as he knelt down to prepare to chuck grenades? I do not believe she possessed ESP. Oy veh!:D

I'll see if I can google up this story. Remember, the media kept calling her a "security agent", which is like calling my pistol packing mother a "police officer".:rolleyes:

If he was running down the food court chucking grenades and shooting his pistol, then yes, this anti-hero LTCH (hey, I don't have a CCW:D) will do the needful. Don't want to, don't relish it, don't want to be there, but if I am, good to be prepared and all that.
 
So are all the hero CCW holders planning on...

I'm not fully sure of your intent with your post Mr. White. Are you being condescending to a portion of the CCW community or all of us?
Are some of us the 'hero CCW holders', or all of us are the same in your mind?
I don't run around the mall looking for targets to shoot at, but I also don't appreciate being described as an idiot.
By and large we are the good guys, we have been accredited and permitted to carry firearms, no small feat these days.
 
The guy's plan was to place grenades in trash cans. I don't know how all of the CCW posse is going to figure out who is placing grenades in the can and who is throwing their wrappers from the food court away.

Well, that, you can't do much about, if they're planting bombs.

The sort I'm more concerned would be someone running around THROWING grenades. Now that, yes, you could stop with proper use of a firearm.

I do not know of any way to "plant" a grenade in a trash can. The first would explode before he got more than a few feet away with a typical fuse, no? So I hear "grenade", I figure the guy would be running around chucking them at crowds, and damned right I'd try to take him down if one had already gone off and it was DEFINITELY "real". I can just picture what a grenade into a crowd of people, indoors, would do...just based on things that have ended up on youtube. I do also wish that all malls and other public areas would go for the "bombproof" trashcans that some places have put in, designed to hold together and either contain or funnel the explosion straight upwards.

As for muslims, of course not all are bad. Though I will admit that when it comes to condemnation of muslim terorrists from the world muslim community, the silence is deafening.
 
i can think of 4 or 5

ways to rig grenades to go off well after i leave the area. theres a book out with a guy from vietnam decribiing how he put grenades in jars to heave from his helicopter so that when the jars break on impact the grenade pin flies of let him fly higher and not have the grenades airburst too high.
 
emitt1, the point is that as a group, Muslims are NOT the enemy. SOME Muslims are indeed "the enemy". The problem is that as with any ordinary crook, you can't tell by looking.

Stipulate a Muslim terrorist: If he's clean shaven and has a Sammy Superstraight haircut and is wearing casual, mildly-dressy clothing, how would you have the slightest clue that he was up to something bad?

Nobody is going to react in any way until some really unusual action is seen. You're not going to look under every overcoat worn into a mall...

Art
 
In a Dec. 1 conversation, the two allegedly discussed purchasing hand grenades from the undercover agent and the timing mechanism of the grenades.

Apparently he was going to try to alter the fuse length.
 
Deanimator said;
And how exactly does that work? Have you ever used a handgrenade?

I was in the Infantry for 21 years and served in every position from rifleman to first sergeant. I've handled a few grenades in my time. I can think of several ways right off the top of my head where you could use a grenade in a trash can and make your escape.

You don't have to stand in front of the trash can and shout Allah Akbar!! while you let the spoon fly off.

Every news reoprt I've heard says he planned to place the grenades in a trash can. To me, placing them in a trash can says that he intends for them to detonate after he's gone. It would be much more effective for him to just throw the grenades into the crowd. You're going to cut the casualty radius considerably by using the grenades in a trash can. You certainly aren't going to get a lot of secondary missiles from a plastic trash can and it's mostly paper contents.

So I have to ask you what you're experience with grenades is that you think CCW is a good defense against a grenade in a trash can?

Suicide bomber, yes, CCW is a defense and a deterrant. Explosives placed in a crowded place it's no deterrant.

Jeff
 
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