Mall Ninja Training!

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From the Washington Post.
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I read this in the paper this morning and my wife couldn't understand when I started laughing uncontrollably.

From Monitoring Teens to Minding Terrorists
Mall Security Guards to Receive New Training
, but Feasibility Is Questioned
By Ylan Q. Mui
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, January 3, 2007; Page D01
The job of a shopping mall security guard normally involves controlling rowdy teenagers, finding lost children and patrolling parking lots. But starting this month, malls across the country will begin training guards for another task: fighting terrorism.
The 14-hour program is being developed by the International Council of Shopping Centers, a trade group, and the Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University at a cost of $2 million. It is the first standardized anti-terrorism curriculum written for the nation's estimated 20,000 mall security guards
Developers of the program say it is crucial to safeguarding shopping centers, which have significant economic import -- as evidenced by the billions of dollars spent at malls during the holiday season -- and have emerged as modern-day town centers, with movie theaters, restaurants, and now grocery stores and gyms.
"Many different facets of our society since September 11 have had to take the stark realization that bad people might try to do bad things," said Paul M. Maniscalco, a senior research scientist at GW who helped create the program. "Security is really paramount in large enclosed malls. . . . . These events, when you respond to them, you make or break it in the first 20 minutes."
Not everyone agrees, however, that America's malls face a serious threat of terrorism. And some critics question the effectiveness of the training when the private security industry suffers from high turnover -- most guards leave the job within a year and some in as little as four months, according to estimates from the Service Employees International Union.
"There is no justification for this," said Ian S. Lustick, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania and author of "Trapped in the War on Terror." "It's too diffuse a problem. There's a security problem in any public place. . . . The retail industry and shopping malls is just one little part of that."
The training focuses on making guards more aware of the effects of terrorist attacks and helping them recognize potential attackers. It ranges from the understanding the characteristics of the nerve agent sarin (especially dangerous in enclosed spaces because it vaporizes quickly) to spotting suicide bombers (look for unusual dress, like a heavy coat in the middle of summer). The program is being tested at a handful of shopping centers, including the Mall in Columbia, and is planned to be rolled out over the next six months.
The Department of Homeland Security categorizes shopping centers, along with other easily accessible public places, as "soft targets." Since the 2001 attacks, the Smithsonian museums and national monuments have been among those increasing security, and the Washington Convention Center recently said it was beefing up emergency preparedness training for some workers.
Yet the retail industry has treaded warily. Customers expect shopping centers to be free and open, and malls are loath to introduce stringent security measures, as airports have done, that might limit shoppers' access -- or scare them off altogether. Though security officers are usually uniformed, they are not intended to appear threatening.
"Their job is to be welcoming," said Robert Rowe, director of development for the American Society for Industrial Security, an advocacy group for private security officers. "The shopping mall doesn't survive unless people come."
General Growth Properties Inc., which owns Tysons Galleria and the Mall in Columbia, has already restricted access to the roofs of its buildings, said David Levenberg, vice president of security and risk management. The Columbia shopping center recently installed a video surveillance system, a wall of 16 monitors and eight video recorders filling a tiny security office.
"You want to see the sales slip?" said Bill Burley IV, director of public safety and security at the mall, as he directed one of the more than 100 cameras to zoom in on a shopper looking at jewelry
But a report released early in 2006 under leadership of the Police Foundation, a District think tank, found that although some malls have made changes, they have not been enough. The study, funded by the Justice Department, cited lack of coordination with local law and emergency forces and financing for new technology. It highlighted poor training of mall officers in terrorism awareness and response as one of the industry's main challenges.
That thinking broadens the responsibility of security guards: Mall security directors surveyed in the report put loitering kids as their top concern, with terrorism second. Only 2.5 percent required guards to have some college education. Less than 1 percent mandated a degree in criminal justice
Robert C. Davis, lead author of the study who now is senior research analyst at Rand Corp., said it is not feasible to teach mall guards the complex skills needed to identify potential terrorists, who are tracked through highly developed intelligence networks. He contends there is little malls can do to prevent an attack -- they can only react to one.
"The biggest things malls can do is have really well-developed, detailed emergency response plans and rehearse them," Davis said. "The best thing they can do is respond effectively."
Maniscalco said the curriculum focuses on awareness and response and was developed with the same materials used in training courses for emergency responders and law enforcement, tailored for mall security officers.
The instructional DVD was shot at the Boulevard Mall in Las Vegas. One lesson shows a man dressed as a janitor with a hose who seems to be watering plants in the food court. But there is no badge on his uniform and his eyes are scanning the crowd rather than looking at the plants.
Actually, he is spraying dangerous chemicals into the air, Maniscalco said. And instead of following an instinct to rush to the scene -- and possibly exposing themselves to the chemical -- guards should block off the area and call police, he said. The DVD also has live footage of terrorist attacks from New York to Russia, including the carnage following a suicide bombing in Israel.
"This is all real-world, everyday stuff that the security officer will encounter," Maniscalco said.
In fact, a man was arrested in December for plotting to use hand grenades and a pistol to disrupt Christmas shopping at a Rockford, Ill., mall. Two years ago in Columbus, Ohio, a man with alleged ties to al-Qaeda was indicted for wanting to shoot up a local mall. He is awaiting trial.
Still, there has been never been a terrorist attack against a U.S. shopping center. William Flynn, director of risk management for Homeland Security, said there was no intelligence to suggest shopping centers were in danger. The handful of reported threats seem to have come from lone wolves rather than organized cells, skeptics say.
"I wouldn't say let's classify every shopping mall in the country as critical infrastructure and start handing out federal grants" said James Carafano, a homeland security expert with the Heritage Foundation. "Putting a lot of money in this doesn't make much sense."
The initial rollout of the curriculum is being funded by the International Council of Shopping Centers, and companies that provide the private security for the country's shopping centers have agreed to participate, council spokesman Malachy Kavanagh said. Financing for the future has yet to be determined, but Kavanagh said the group plans to apply for federal grants. Flynn said he supports the program and that Homeland Security has conducted risk assessments at several shopping centers across the country.
One of the first guards to go through the new training program was Lt. Al Pineiro, who has worked at the Mall in Columbia for the past 10 years, starting part-time and recently going full-time. A former Army recruiter, he was at the National Guard facility in Silver Spring on Sept. 11, 2001. He recalled watching one of the World Trade Center towers crumble on a big-screen television with his fellow soldiers.
"I was shocked that it happened so close to home," he said.
Pineiro said the anti-terrorism training recalled the lessons he learned in the months following the attacks. It took him several days to complete the course, and he aced the final exam.
"It just reminds us that we have to stay alert," he said. "We can't afford to get complacent."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/02/AR2007010201094.html?sub=new
 
IBTL:evil:
My buddy used to be a mall ninja, kinda. He worked security at a Whirlpool factory. The most action he saw was when he witnessed an employee, via security cameras, running awkwardly through the halls with feces running down his leg and out his pants leaving a trail down the hall.:D :cool:
 
Seems like a pretty big waste of resources to me. Dumping out 2 millon dollars to send your mall ninjas through a 14 hour anti terrorism program :scrutiny: . Honestly, what do they expect them to retain from a 14 hour course on terrorism?
 
Honestly, what do they expect them to retain from a 14 hour course on terrorism?
Not a damn thing. That's not the point.

The point is to spread money around (Uncle Sugah) and show motion (frwequently mistaken for progress).

<sigh>
 
I heard that some of the "takeaways" from the class includes a roll of duct tape and a trauma plate.......

Hey those multiple .308 rounds to the back don't stop themselves :p

Cinnabon...It's what's for dinner
 
I hear the union is protesting that the malls do not HAVE to provide briefcases. ;)


On a serious note, I do believe that a shopping mall would be a tempting target and that the security guards could use SOME extra training on things to be on the lookout for.
 
Its already started. California started "Weapons of Mass Destruction" training last year.

The powers that be suddenly noticed that there a lot more security officers than police officers. That they are all over and probely have a better chance of seeing something out of ordinary. The problem is the powers that be did not set up a system for security officers to call in questionable acts.

Remember being strange is not against the law. 99.9 percent of these leads are going to false. But maybe just one in a million will put things in focus.

In California, the state wants us to report to the police. The police refuse to waste resources on this. The police are very good if you call in a shooting, attack or anything like that. They are not going to come running for someone watering the plants while looking around or a worker who is not wearing a ID badge in a mall.

With no idea of what security guards do, the state thinks they can just move them around in a emergancy. They do not even realize that 75-80% are dedicated to a job site and cannot just leave their job site for else where at moments notice without the company going bankrupt,
 
I will feel safer when I shop knowing that the security guards have received the best training. NOT!!!!!:evil:
 
And don't forget an essential to any equipment list:

1) Starlight scope for the PSG-1 in case we lose power in the building.
 
As a private security guy I would love to have some anti terrorism training but it has nothing to do with my job. It would be an ego boost but really nothing else.
 
I heard that some of the "takeaways" from the class includes a roll of duct tape and a trauma plate.......

What!! No special boots for climbing walls?!?! How do they expect them to be able to do their jobs?!?!

Now should you have your wife shave your back before she tapes on the trauma plate? You know for better adhesion.
 
I wanted the "wall-climbing boots" comment :(
Guess I'll have to go with this:

Starlight scopes for the PSG-1 not included.
 
In the U.S., as yet, terrorists shooting up a mall is fiction in novels. In other parts of the world, such shootings in a crowded public area are real-life.

I'm not sure why it's treated as an impossibility or of such low probability that no training should be provided. (Which is a separate matter from the quailty of that training.)

I've read quite a few posts here at THR with laughter or scorn about people in general being on the lookout for odd behavior. Yet, is that not a part of what we call "Condition Yellow"? Do we not speak of the desirability of people being aware of the Four Colors? Why the scorn?

Art
 
Wrong

About 2 years ago, a man armed with an AK47 clone shot up the Hudson Valley Mall in Kingston New York. He injured an Army recruiter and several other people before the gun jammed. He then surrendered to the police who arrived 10 minutes after the shooting started. The incident was reported in the KINGSTON FREEMAN.

In the Galleria Mall in Poughkeepsie NY, several teenagers started a fight with several other teenagers from a rival school. It turned into a small riot with 7 different police agencies responding. My cousin who was a security guard there at the time got slashed across the face with a boxcutter when she tried to pull one kid of of another. This was about 5 years ago but was reported only as a minor scuffle in the local newspaper. The mall advertises heavily in the paper and does not want to lose business.

I work in a PD in a neighboring jurisdiction and can tell you it is a very rare weekend when one of our cars is not responding to back up other agencies at one mall or another because of violent episodes. Most of us refuse to go into these malls or allow our families to go there after dark on a weekend.

We can make fun of mall ninjas but I can tell you these people that work security for minimum wage deserve respect for what they go through. Personally, I do not go there unarmed and would not want to work security there and risk my life with these "kids". I believe that the ninjas should get training and should be treated as professionals.:cuss:
 
GoSlash27, do you see no difference between the reason or need for training, versus the quality of that training?

IOW, what do "Mall Ninjas" have to do with the subject at hand?

You say you have scorn for the "Four Colors". Okay; but is being alert and aware of your surroundings--aka "Condition Yellow"--a bad thing?

Art
 
IOW, what do "Mall Ninjas" have to do with the subject at hand?
Nothing, it's just a joke. ;) Not a commentary on the need (or lack thereof) for well-trained and vigilant mall security, but a commentary on Gecko 45 the mall ninja. Now that I've explained it...it's not as funny. Well....I guess it still is :D (Training to include escape and evasion planning drills where the applicant will act as a human shield...)

I understand that you want to have a serious discussion about the topic of mall security and terrorist threats, but the rest of us are just looking for a not-so-serious discussion about "whether they will be issued up-armored golf carts".



Okay; but is being alert and aware of your surroundings--aka "Condition Yellow"--a bad thing?

No, being alert and aware and most of all prepared is a very good thing but in practice "condition yellow" is not synonymous. It's more synonymous with "scared".

#1 when the threat level is raised without any specific information, it's worse than useless. People don't know what to watch out for or how to protect themselves. That makes the "threat level" indication nothing more than a political tool to remind people that we are at "war". It may raise anxieties, but without specific information on the nature of the threat it does nothing to raise preparedness. All the threat indicator does, effectively, is tell everyone you should be *this* scared of terrorists today.

When the threat level is lowered, it does not imply that anybody should be less vigilant or prepared for an attack.

IAC nobody's really paying attention to it anymore. I doubt that any more than 5% of Americans even know what yesterday's threat level was. Once you have jacked with people's anxieties enough times they stop heeding your alerts (the boy who cried wolf).

I don't believe that the general public should be made aware of the threat level from day to day. The information is useless to them.

Sorry for the long post. Just explaining my position.

Best,
-John
 
This thread was meant to be light hearted

The Gecko45 Mall Ninga was the inspiration for the original post. I still laugh until tears when I read those posts.
I don't have any problem with mall security guards receiving extra training, but not necessarily $2M worth of our tax money!
We should never take ourselves too seriously.
 
This thread gave me a great idea:
Start and market a line of "Mall Ninja" action figures. How cool would that be?? I know you all want the complete set.
 
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