Just got off the phone with CDNN . . .

[Chuck Jennings]

and I had to vent a little bit:

I called to inquire about the really great special they have on Ruger PC4 carbines. You get a used carbine in good to excellent condition, sling, buttcuff and an 11 round magazine for only $339!!

So, being a CA resident I called to ask if it would be possible to purchase this gun WITHOUT the magazine. I explained that I would be willing to pay full price, but unfortunately, they said it was impossible to do that. Oh well, I thought, it was worth a try. I explained to the helpful gentleman on the phone that the reason I had been asking was because I am a CA resident, and he said, “We don’t ship those to CA anywayâ€. I knew that they had recently stopped shipping handguns to California, so I asked what guns they don’t ship to CA. He said, “We do not ship any semi-automatic defensive firearms to California.†:banghead:

Needless to say, I found the last statement disheartening. It is too bad that the legal situation in CA has deteriorated so much that good law abiding companies are not selling to CA residents anymore. I will be paying more for the same gun, and CDNN will not be selling to a state that contains 20% of the US population.

</rant>

 

[Ukraine Train]

I'd start packing my bags now lol.

 

[Greybeard]

Too bad for both you and the distributor.

Sure glad that 20% does not dictate for the other 80%. (Yet.)

 

[JoeWang]

Feel sorry for your situation. Too bad all the gun distributors have lawyers crawling up their a$zes that they can't ship otherwise legal arms to citizens.

I'm not even going to start with the SF situation.

 

[Standing Wolf]

We do not ship any semi-automatic defensive firearms to California.

I'll probably always miss the beaches.

 

[sturmruger]

Sorry

I know it sucks to be in your shoes, but there are allot of gun owners in CA that need to start doing something about their States politics. I know it is twisted but I hope more and more retailers refuse to ship into CA with the hope that it will start to wake up all the people that are slowly letting your great state become the liberal bastion of the US!!! I hope it goes another step further and manufacturers start refusing to get their handguns approved by the state. Let’s just write off CA and hope that all the shooters in Cali start to wake up and get energized. I know this sounds kind of twisted, but it is going to take some serious SXXX to get Californians to wake up and come to their senses.

 

[SMLE]

sturmruger

I agree with your point. And I also think that such a boycott of Ca. MUST include all Gov't agencies as well. If all the gun and ammo manufactures refused to sell to CHP or LAPD now THAT would throw the fecal matter into the rotary airfoil.

 

[Langenator]

Probably the best way for gun manufacturers to get the state government's attention would be to all get together and wait for the next time the state puts out the contract for pistols for the Highway Patrol. And no company puts in a bid. Ditto for any weapons contracts for the state Dept of Corrections. And make sure those agencies know why they're not getting any bids.

When the state's law enforcement agencies (or JBTs, whichever you prefer) can't get new guns, maybe the powers that be will wake up.

 

[NavajoNPaleFace]

Oh, California would get their guns for their LEOs one way or another.

Likely they'd go on the open market, charge the $100+ extra to the California tax payers and then sue the companies for not putting in bids.

If you're not a commited felon...in prison...in chains....time to get the heck out of PRK!

Otherwise you might have to just suck it up! LOL (just making fun of a terrible situation, I know).

 

[G1FAL]

I know it is twisted but I hope more and more retailers refuse to ship into CA with the hope that it will start to wake up all the people that are slowly letting your great state become the liberal bastion of the US!!! I hope it goes another step further and manufacturers start refusing to get their handguns approved by the state. Let’s just write off CA and hope that all the shooters in Cali start to wake up and get energized. I know this sounds kind of twisted, but it is going to take some serious SXXX to get Californians to wake up and come to their senses.

Its not twisted, I dont think. Mostly because I agree with you. But I take things a step further. I'll elaborate in a minnute.

agree with your point. And I also think that such a boycott of Ca. MUST include all Gov't agencies as well. If all the gun and ammo manufactures refused to sell to CHP or LAPD now THAT would throw the fecal matter into the rotary airfoil.

Thats a good idea. Good luck getting Snakes & Weasels or Glunk to agree to it, though.

Probably the best way for gun manufacturers to get the state government's attention would be to all get together and wait for the next time the state puts out the contract for pistols for the Highway Patrol. And no company puts in a bid. Ditto for any weapons contracts for the state Dept of Corrections. And make sure those agencies know why they're not getting any bids.

When the state's law enforcement agencies (or JBTs, whichever you prefer) can't get new guns, maybe the powers that be will wake up.

That would be the most effective, however just like the last idea, good luck getting them to do it. I cant see Bushmaster, Colt, FN, Snakes & Weasels, Glunk, or any of the rest giving up multi-million dollar contracts just to prove a point. They are corporations, and they look at one thing, above all else: bottom line. Now, if ALL civilians refused to buy their stuff UNTIL such time as they were to put the screws to the California legislature, that MIGHT have some effect. But are you going to be able to get all civilians to do so? Miracles can happen, but pardon me if I dont hold my breath.

Now, to elaborate my above sentance.

I dont buy ANYTHING from California, if there is a comparable product that's within the same price range, within up to about 30% more expensive. Had I known ProMag was located there BEFORE I ordered some mags from CDNN, I wouldnt have bought them.

And I'm not talking just firearms related stuff, either. I go to the grocery store, there is some strawberries there. Mmm, I love strawberries. I would rather have strawberries than pretty much any candy, chips, snack crackers, etc. So maybe I'll get me some strawberries....whats this, "California strawberries"!?! Well, I guess I dont need them that badly after all. I've still got some frozen ones from my grandma's garden in the freezer, and eventually this state will thaw out and there will be locally grown berries to be had. California cheese is out, too. Companies who have their headquarters in that state, I leave their stuff on the shelf. Whether its glass cleaner, toilet paper, car parts, or pet needs, if it is from California, it stays on the shelf. Unfortunately, it is exceedingly hard to find anything computer-related, esp. software, that the same can be done with.

Now granted, my one-man boycott has had no effect on that state. I wont delude myself into thinking that it has. But think of the effect that they would feel if, say, a couple million people started doing this. If places like What A Country couldnt get ANY business, are sitting on warehouses full of gun parts, and move out of state. Oops, there goes all that revenue. The cheese farmers (growers? producers? whatever you call them) see their sales drop, cant GIVE the crap away. Strawberries (oh, those poor strawberries....but sacrifices must be made), lettuce, etc., rot in the fields, because no one is buying it, so why pick it? Too bad all those illegals will be out of a job. Wait, no, that doesnt bother me in the slightest.

Think what would happen to KA's treasury if this were to happen. Let them sit on the edge of the knife for a while, then say "Oh, by the way, we arent buying your crap because of certain policies you have regarding firearms. Until those policies are removed, the boycott remains. Have a nice day."

But, unless a few million people, at the very least, were to get in on it, it probably wont have much effect.

 

[Brian Dale]

Like your style, G1FAL. Good idea.

 

[pittspilot]

You think that Springfield Longslide is a "defensive semi-auto"?

 

[PATH]

Boycott all things Californian? Hmmm! Where could one find a list of all companies and products to boycott? Not a bad idea though!

 

[Sactown]

they will only ship bolt action rifles and pump shotguns to kali. I was looking to get the IZH35M and they said only bolt action rifles and pump action shotguns to kali.

 

[G1FAL]

PATH, if you're really serious about it, you can look on the labels of the products in question. Like the strawberries, for example, agricultural products usually have it right on the packaging. The stores will also put it on a big sign near the product, too ("California strawberries", "Florida Oranges", "Idaho potatoes", etc.). Boxes of cracker, cereal, soap, whatever, will list on the package somewhere a place that you can write or call ("Questions? Comments? Write or call .... ").

I have a box of Goldfish Crackers by my computer. On the box, by the nutrition information, it says:

Pepperidge Farm Incorporated
Norwalk, CT 06856

Questions or Comments?
1-888-737-7374

Visit our website
at www.pfgoldfish.com

As far as I know, neither Pepperidge Farm nor Connecticut are rabidly anti-gun, like California is.

If you look thru the Shotgun News, the companies in there will have not only their website address, but also snailmail and phone #'s.

Should be the same for almost any ad you see in a magazine or online. If the snailmail addy isnt in the ad, but they have a website, check out the "Contact Us" part, should give a snailmail. If not, or if you suspect that the parent company is in the PRK, you could fire off an email or phone call to confirm your suspicions.

The only company I know, right off the bat, that supplies mags, gun parts, etc., thats in the PRK is What A Country, and thats only because while looking thru the pages of SGN, I have found numerous things from there that I wanted, and keep forgetting that they are in KA. So I circle a bunch of stuff, then look for their address, and there it is: Mission Viejo, CA. Oops. Guess I wont be ordering after all.

You want, I can go thru SGN tonight at work and write down the companies that I find in there, and post it after I get home tonight.

 

[Chuck Jennings]

I guess while we are at it, we should be boycotting anything that comes out of NJ, NY, Chicago, and D.C. California is not the only offender in the anti RKBA movement.

If a boycott is to work we need to fight where ever there is a problem. Then perhaps the Feds might take notice.

 

[harpethriver]

As a former resident of Ventura County (over 20 years) I realized there are 2 choices, stay and fight or move, continue to fight with real succeses, and enjoy life and freedom a little more. Unless you're absolutely locked in to Ca. I suggest you take a look at other parts of the country. You might find that a little more freedom, a lower cost of living and crime rate, and seasons that actually change is a mighty nice combination. I'm waiting for Ca. to start a secessionist movement anyway. If Cuba was any closer they might have already done it.

 

[RobW]

G1FAL: It's at least a 2-man Boycott, because I'm on it for years. I loved to go to San Diego, Old Town, Zoo, Seaworld, Padres, Gaslight...

Stopped it as soon as I recognized the state was becoming an anti-American territory. And, to be precise, it's not the rural areas, its just SF, LA, and SD pressing their anti-freedom views onto the state and the whole Country. No support from me at all.

 

[Chuck Jennings]

Being a former Navy brat, I have lived all over the country. My parents chose to leave San Diego back in the 80's when real estate got out of control. My favorite place to live when I was younger was CA. I did choose to move here nearly four years ago, and understood (partially) what I was getting into. (And now have a better understanding of why my family left.)

The entertainment industry brought me out here. (I had worked as a professional musician in St. Louis, Branson, and Nashville) I came out here and made enough money to live comfortably in California and have a home a couple blocks from the Pacific Ocean. The "lack of seasons" isn't an issue for me, because if I want to see snow, I can drive to it. Just two weeks ago I was in the mountains visiting family, had a snowball fight, and then left the snow up there on the mountain where it wouldn't bother me during my trips to work/school. Since I have moved here, the excellent climate has made it easy for me to be in the best shape of my life, and I have only been sick with the flu once in almost 4 years. For now, I choose to stay and fight. However, after I am finished with law school out here, my wife and I may be making an escape to a free state. On that happy day, I will be collecting a lot of my “Evil†Weapons and High Capacity Magazines from my stash back in MO.

California is one of the most remarkable places on this planet. It is so sad to see that it is no longer the place of prosperity opportunity, and freedom that it was in the 40’s and 50’s. And as RobW said, it is the toxic influences of the socialists that have come to power in the major cities that have caused the problems we are facing today.

Let California be a cautionary tale for all of you. This is a political dynamic that has happened in other states that have a large city, but are mostly rural. Look what the city politics of NYC, Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis and Kansas City have done to the RKBA efforts in their states. Don’t take your freedoms for granted, and don’t give an inch.

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

Look what the city politics of NYC, Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis and Kansas City have done to the RKBA efforts in their states.

You left out Denver.

 

[G1FAL]

I guess while we are at it, we should be boycotting anything that comes out of NJ, NY, Chicago, and D.C. California is not the only offender in the anti RKBA movement.

If a boycott is to work we need to fight where ever there is a problem. Then perhaps the Feds might take notice.

I also try to avoid buying anything from Na Yak, New Joisey, and Ill-noise whenever possible. Just didnt want to throw it all in at once, ya know?

Anyway, I think that perhaps the PRK would be the best initial target. They produce a LOT of stuff, they're very far into the red, and it doesnt look like they'll be getting out of the red any time soon. They've also got the most virulent anti-freedom crowd. And the rest of the commies follow the PRK's lead. If we can make California suffer, they might just sit up and take notice.

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

I know it sucks to be in your shoes, but there are allot of gun owners in CA that need to start doing something about their States politics.

It's kinda hard to get anywhere in political activism in a majority rule system when you're not in the majority.

Calibashing is an awful lot like the french bashing the poles in '39.

 

[G1FAL]

It's kinda hard to get anywhere in political activism in a majority rule system when you're not in the majority.

Hows that quote go, about not needing a majority, but rather a tireless minority who will light brushfires in people's minds?

To be fair, though, I dont think that would work in your state. I'd personally think KA is a lost cause. There are far too many who slop from the public trough, and will go along with whatever their feedmasters say. Add them to the various blissninnies, such as the envirocommies, the animal 'rights' commies, and pretty much the entire UC Berkley campus (and most of the Bay area, as well as LA, SD, and Sac).

Good luck in the future. I will continue my boycott, and try to get others to do the same.

 

[dustind]

I will help out with the boycott. It may not be a bad idea to move and help keep Kali from spreading to other states, plus you get to enjoy freedom.

 

[G1FAL]

I didnt have a chance to look thru SGN last night at work. I was VERY busy. But I did manage to thumb thru one a little this morning (the Feb.1 issue), and here are the companies that I found.

Visual Technologies
The Dealer Warehouse
Shooting Mall
Applied Laser
ITT Industries (they make night vision)
Alex Imports
Entreprise Arms
E.M.F. Co., Inc.
American Gunsmithing Institute
M.S.G. (AK stock sets)
Vern Grazer (rotary gun racks)
Sturdy Gun Safe
Huntington (pistol and rifle dies)
Placer C.B.S.
JK International, Inc.
Dean Security Safe Co.
Night Optics USA, Inc.
Golden West Brass Industry

The Feb. 20 issue of SGN will go to work with me again today. Hopefully I find time to go thru it. I know there are plenty more companies that I didnt get on that list.