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Boycott all things Kalifornian? Hah! For better or worse, CA's economy dwarfs the remainder of the US. It would be the 8th largest economy in the world, if compared against countries. Something like 30% of Americans live in CA. A boycott that broad would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face. I want things to change here too. I want my AR (waaaaaa...)!
 
You might as well add Massachusetts to the boycott list as our AG has sent legal notices to all online ammunition distributors to stop shipping ammo to the state. He's been threatoning lawsuits and fines for anyone who does. It has something to do with being properly licensed for the state.

Well, now nobody will ship ammo here. Ever try to buy 50 cal ammo from a local reseller? Yeah, can you say "bent over a barrel"!

Not to mention the whole approved handgun list we have as well. Vermont and New Hampshire are looking better and better every day!!!
 
Boycott all things Kalifornian? Hah! For better or worse, CA's economy dwarfs the remainder of the US. It would be the 8th largest economy in the world, if compared against countries. Something like 30% of Americans live in CA. A boycott that broad would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face. I want things to change here too. I want my AR (waaaaaa...)!
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Thats fine by me. California doesnt have anything that is an absolute necessity in my life. If KA is so great ("oooh, we've got SUCH a large economy!") then how come that large economy is in the red? Why does the saying "Its not the size, its how you use it" spring to mind? Using it by supporting every liberal cause that comes along... giving welfare, housing, medical care, schooling, etc. to illegal aliens... watching the state legislature run roughshod over the people of the state, and the libs in other states follow that example... It'd be nice to see CONgress kick KA out of the union. Unfortunately, thats not going to happen. We cant vote in your elections, and too many people there are happy with things the way they are. We have to fight somehow.

Rockrivr, one state at a time, OK? The enemy is at their strongest in KA. They take their orders from there, follow the examples set there. Make them hurt THERE, the ones in other states will run to cover with their tails between their legs.

Anyway, here is some more companies I found in the Feb. 20 issue of SGN. I hope there are no duplicates, please excuse it if there are.

Surf City Firearms
Pacific Canvas & Leather Co., Inc.
New Helvetia Trade Group (NHM Co.)
Richards Microfit Stocks
Northridge International Inc.
Tech Plate
Forrest Co. (www.gunmags.com) <--This one really bites. They've got a lot of decent deals on mags that I want and need. Oh well, sacrifices....
RK Enterprises

Also, when in doubt (because the company doesnt have their address in their ad), the following area codes:

530 408 619 310 707 831 909 323
916 559 949 818 925 805 714 626
415 661 562 510 760 424 650 858
213
 
A Kali-bashing crusade. How cute. :rolleyes:

Our ENTIRE COUNTRY is in the red. Hmm, maybe that means our national economy is trivial and suceptible to a Canadian boycott. Or not.

In case you missed it, we are NOT satisfied with the status quo here in California. Davis got the boot, the Govenator is in, and rabid gun control is out. If you read anything about gun control stances in the last election, everyone backed off further gun control legislation and stated that the laws that were in place were enough. Still bad, I know, but the pendulum is no longer swinging in that direction.

All this, without your trivial boycott. We did it ourselves.

I'm getting tired of Kali-bashing threads. They just scream U.S.S. to me (that's Ugly Sister Syndrome). It's not our fault you're stuck in Bore-hio.

Childish, isn't it? That's how you sound. I'm going to stop calling it Bore-hio now because I'm sure Ohio is a great place filled with great people, and I'd rather not offend an entire state with inane name-calling, no matter what their politics. Join the rest of us on the HIGH Road, eh? Kali-bashing is member bashing on a statewide level. Don't believe me? Re-read the previous posts.

To name just a few, my small arsenal consists of an M1a, a Rem 700 PSS, a Rem 870, several pistols, and plenty of standard cap mags that I had the foresight to buy back in '89. Unless I'm standing next to Rambo, I don't consider myself under-equipped for anything. Bring on the U.N. Bring on the rioters, looters, and bangers. Bring on the illegal aliens, space aliens, and space cadets. Contrary to popular belief, I'm just as well-equipped to deal with the above as you are in your state.

Sheesh. Sometimes these Kali-bashing threads make it sound like my .308 holes aren't as big as your .308 holes in Texas, or Arkansas, or Ohio. I don't think E.T. will know the difference between a .308 shot out of a FAL and one shot out of an M1a. They'll both sting pretty good, I'm sure.

Am I pissed that I can't buy the dreaded EBR's (among other things)? You bet. Am I going to drop everything, sell all I own, say goodbye to all my friends and relatives, and move to Alaska (no offense, Wildalaska, Cosmoline, etc.), just so I can buy an AK or AR?

Yeah, right. I'll give up my guns before I give up my friends and family. And I'm not giving up my guns. And I'm not giving up the laundry list of great reasons why living in California is better than living anywhere else on the face of the planet.

I'm going to stay and change what I can, one person at a time. I already have, on numerous occasions. If they, in turn, spread the message, then all the better. THAT'S how it's done, not with some meaningless boycott.

Hi, I'm BamBam-31. I own guns, and I live in California. I'm on your side. :)

(Sorry about the threadjack. We now return you to your normal program....)
 
Keep in mind that the antis want to divide and conquer. As a wise man once said, "We must all hang together, or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."

I understand the idea of a boycott for political ends, but I don't see how setting out on a campaign to shut down a lot of good family owned gun related businesses is going to further the cause of RKBA.
 
- Okay I have a question: lately I have gotten interested in night-vision scopes, and have been shopping around online quite a bit. I have run across at least one site that says they do not ship NV-weaponsights to California, but some of the other head-mount and hand-held NV scopes also say they cannot be shipped to Ca.
So what's up with NV there?
Is that illegal too?
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From CA code:

468. Any person who knowingly buys, sells, receives, disposes of, conceals, or has in his possession a sniperscope shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000) or by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than one year, or by both such fine and imprisonment. As used in this section, sniperscope means any attachment, device or similar contrivance designed for or adaptable to use on a firearm which, through the use of a projected infrared light source and electronic telescope, enables the operator thereof to visually determine and locate the presence of objects during the nighttime. This section shall not prohibit the authorized use or possession of such sniperscope by a member of the armed forces of the United States or by police officers, peace officers, or law enforcement officers authorized by the properly constituted authorities for the enforcement of law or ordinances; nor shall this section prohibit the use or possession of such sniperscope when used solely for scientific research or educational purposes.
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As a result many companies don't bother with the hassle of figuring what is allowed and what isn't. Sportsman's guide for instance just doesn't ship any NV to CA.
 
Ya know, I was in one of the gunshops here in California and the owner was talking to me about how sometimes he wants to order parts or accessories from distributors and they will yell at him and scream "We don't ship to California!" He responses "What are you yelling at me for? I'm a dealer - I'm pro-gun! " :scrutiny:

Please forgive me, but I don't see how tormenting a Californian who is obviously pro-gun is going to help anything. If all the shops in California went out of business, do you think the anti-gun people are gonna stop and say to themselves, "Hmmm. . .we shouldn't have angered all those gunowners in those other states. Now we have no more gunshops." ?

I personally don't care who hates California and I don't care if you boycott our strawberries (they are quite good and I have two nice baskets of them in the fridge right now :neener: ) but attacking California gunowners has got to be the most counterproductive thing anyone can do. :scrutiny:
 
Just to clarify, I'm not against people ranting about California's anti-gun legislation. Heck, I do it myself, A LOT.

It's just that ALL of these Kali-bashing threads end up being ad hominem attacks very quickly. In no time, someone will come along and insinuate that "KA" is filled with "fruits and nuts." I am neither. And these comments, taken in a different context, would not be tolerated by Moderators. If it's about Kali, though, it's okay, and even the Mods will jump in from time to time to kick the carcass.

:rolleyes:

What if I said everyone in Missouri is a "fruit and nut" and that they should "secede from the Union?" I'd get a PM pretty soon, I'm sure. And deservedly so.

A lot of this Kali-bashing is either influenced by some other agenda or is simply misguided. Makes a lot of people feel better about themselves to knock California off it's pedestal. Better than tipping cows, eh?

As I stated to George Hill, Kali-bashing is divisive and unproductive. As clbj stated,

a wise man once said, "We must all hang together, or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."
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Are you a separatist, Mr. Kali-basher? If so, tattoo that quote on your shooting arm. And read it when you're reaching for those California strawberries.
 
Kali bashing? Kali bashing? Hmm....I didnt say anything about Kali being the BReakfast Cereal State (full of fruits, nuts, and flakes); you did. I was making an attempt at being civil, you're the one getting all butt-hurt. Thats your choice. Some people like to be butt-hurt, about the smallest little thing. And thats their right, too.

Keep in mind, the liberal lunacy thats enacted in KA today, is the same lunacy that will be enacted in NY tomorrow....and MA the day after....and MD and IL the day after that. So its not like bad ideas are unable to penetrate the border with Nevada, Arizona, or Oregon.

I know that the majority of gun owners in KA dont like things the way they are. But you're so badly outnumbered, it makes the battle at the Alamo look like a fair fight. So basically, unless you can find something else to hang the enemy with, you're screwed. And like I said above...

Politicians listen to money, and money only. They are keeping quiet on gun control, but for how long? And its not like they've suddenly seen the light and wont enact any more. They just arent going to say anything about it till after elections. They want to win. Its a little hard to feed from the public trough if you lose the election. Arnold is no friend to gun owners, and I dont think that you're foolish enough to believe otherwise.

Those of us in the rest of the country cant vote in your elections, like I said. What would you have us do? We have ONE way of making your politicos stop and think. And you sit there and talk about how hopeless it is, childish, this and that. Hey, its your right to think that.

Just remember what I said. Today is KA, tomorrow its NY, and so on.
 
I believe that the idea that CA is the center of the anti universe is flawed. We have been able to stem the tide. We defeated a .50 ban. We had a governor candidate that ran with repealing gun control in his platform and got a sizable portion of the vote. You CAN get a CCW in CA. You can buy an air rifle without a huge hassle. Not all states can say that. Luckily, the crazy laws that have been passed have been a wake up call for the CA gun owners that thought it would never happen. The fight is on, and we CAN win. The recent recall has left the socialist power structure stunned and unable to figure out what to do in the renewed populist climate.

The enemy is everywhere. The anti lobby groups write up this legislation and shop it around to see who will buy it. CA was unlucky enough to have a stretch with liberals in control to push this stuff through. The pendulum is swinging in our direction. Arnold is not our friend, but he knows damn well not to touch the third rail of gun control, or he will lose his core constituency.

Don’t be surprised to see “common sense†gun control measures in Ohio introduced once the details of the whole “sniper†thing have been released. IL and GA have AW bills under consideration that are MORE restrictive than CA. The bills have a chance to pass in part because of the enemy that is among us: the shooter that doesn’t care about another shooter.

As I said in a previous post, let CA be a cautionary tale of what can happen. I however don’t think of CA as a lost cause that needs to be kicked out of the union. (as some do) I like to think of CA as a talented promising youngster that fell in with the wrong crowd. It just needs a little guidance to get back on the right track. Kicking CA gun people when they are down will ultimately only hurt the cause.
 
What CLBJ said. If we're going to kick out states, let's start with New Jersey. America begins at the PA border. :)

:neener:
 
Makes a lot of people feel better about themselves to knock California off it's pedestal. Better than tipping cows, eh?
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I rekon yer rite,,Iz jest wunderin Suh. wich 'pedestall" mite ye be referin too? nobodi in theez hear parts putts much stock in placing supphosed valubles up high enuff to git nocked down. pritty brite eh? iz thatthere kettle black u rekon? Y'all have a goodun.



With that horse hockey outta the way, IF there was some type of organized boycott of Cali, the merchants, factories and distribution centers that deal with firearms and their ancillary subsidiaries should NOT be on the list. These folks, in addition to our brethren-in-arms, deserve our support for sticking it out.
 
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Intune, you're right, of course. I was responding in kind to make a point.

G1FAL, name-calling will get us nowhere. Putting California strawberry farmers out of business to further your gun rights in Ohio will get you nowhere. If that isn't misguided, I don't know what is.

As for attempts at "civility," go back and re-read your posts. What a joke. You make my case for me against Kali-bashers. Thank you for being an exemplary prototype.

For our more reasonable members, please let me reiterate the importance of unity amongst gunowners. Kali-bashing is the LAST thing we need. Think about it.

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What can we do to alter the anti’s chokehold on our pubic officials? (Not just CA ;) ) I believe we need to begin with the younger generation to counter the negative specter of guns that the anti’s are foisting upon our children. Fight back when a child is expelled for drawing war scenes or guns. Remember when schools had rifle clubs? Not drill teams, SHOOTING teams. Is this something the NRA could advance with the help of dedicated locals? “But it’s so dangerous. What about our children?â€

It is estimated that one-third of playground equipment-related deaths and 75 percent of playground equipment-related injuries occur on public playgrounds.
Since 1990, at least 147 children have died from playground equipment-related injuries.
In 2002, more than 215,500 children ages 14 and under were treated in hospital emergency rooms for playground equipment-related injuries; children ages 5 to 14 accounted for nearly 75 percent of these injuries. The public playground equipment-related injury rate among children ages 5 and under has doubled since 1980.


Every school I’ve ever seen has a playground. I daresay shooting is a much safer sport. Guns cause an unfounded fear in some people and our enemies are utilizing that fear. Causing that fear every chance they get. Demonizing guns & gunowners. We MUST counter with something positive.
 
MY wife and I (she is a former farm girl from MO, and she never tipped a cow :neener: ) take people shooting. Most of the people she works with are women who are UC-Berkley or Stanford graduates. They agree to go along to taste some "forbidden fruit". By the time they are done shooting, they usually start asking us how much this or that gun costs. Some of them will get mad when they find out how difficult and complicated it is for them to get a gun. Some get REALLY mad when they find out how they can't go get that affordable AK like the other guy at the range has. ("I would only want to shoot it for fun. It's not like I'm going to go shoot someone with it.") When you hear a statement like that, you know you have won!

The battle will be won by winning hearts and minds. It WILL NOT be won through bullying, condescenion, and pi**ing matches.
 
Intune, the "joke" comment was not directed at you, but at G1FAL. I did not address him directly or by name with the comment, just by reference to his use of the word "civil." My bad for being unclear.

Obviously, you were offended by the name-calling. I was agreeing with you that it is pointless and divisive. I did it (probably my own misguided attempt) to illustrate how G1FAL's tone and approach were unproductive. By imitating them, I have offended you, and that was not my aim. My apologies.

Actually, the direction of this thread is very similar to most Kali-bashing threads. Misunderstandings, name-calling, and finally some Mod drops the hammer. And for what? How does this further our cause collectively as gunowners?
 
We're cool BB. All the states have +'s & -'s, CA is just always on the top of the wave so when we see the crap being pulled off there it worries the rest of us "normal" people! :D Sorry, couldn't resist! Clbj & spouse have the right idea but we need to be doing more on the kid side. "They" are brainwashing our children, make no mistake about it. And if not brainwashing then outright intimidation. If you draw this, say this, point your finger like this, the MAN will deal with you. HARSHLY. Orwellian to the max.
 
Am I missing something here ...

Is California banning the Ruger PC4 or is the distributor simply refusing to ship to CA. Cannot the carbine be brought into the state via another dealer? Don't let the BS get you down clbj. If they won't let you buy your PC4, you can come visit me up here in Alberta Canada and you can try out my Ruger PC9. Or perhaps you would like to squeeze off a few rounds from my KMini 14/5/RF, you know, those factory Mini 14's with the folding stocks and the pistol grips that the Canadian federal government doesn't seem to have any problem with despite the fact that the most recent Canadian Federal firearm laws were directly influenced by the American AWB of '94.
Opps, sorry ... did I say that out loud ???
 
Thanks for the kind words autolite

The PC4 is CA legal. It is one of the few long guns with a detachable magazine allowed in California. They run around $450 out here. CDNN has a special on them for $339. That price also included a sling and a buttcuff. So I called them up, and they informed me that they no longer ship “semi-automatic defensive arms†to CA.

They used to deal with California, but they got sick of keeping track of what handguns are on the CA approved list so they stopped selling handguns to CA. It was news to me however, that they had expanded the list of what they would not ship to CA. I was just disappointed that I missed out on a great deal due to politics. I thought I would cry on the shoulder of some of my gun-toting brethren a little bit, but instead I unearthed a groundswell of acrimony for all things Californian.
 
I know we have some FFLs here on THR.

What it seems we need here, is for a non California dealer to step up to the plate, order a PC4 from CDNN and, after they receive it, turn around and ship it to your dealer of choice in CA. Hopefully the middle dealer will do this at no charge to promote good will and (since this is legal) thumb our collective noses at CDNN for being too lazy and uncaring to take care of business.

What if a major automobile maker said they were going to stop shipping cars to California because keeping track of the exhaust emissions requirements for CA were too confusing? How would you react to that?
 
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