Selling the Handicapped firearms

[JohnBT]

When I take my car to the dealer for service they pull up my name on the computer, ask if there are any changes to the info and print out the form for me to sign. I wish the gun stores around here could do that. I hate filling out the same info over and over on the state and federal forms.

I don't see what the act of physically filling out a form has to do with buying a gun (or shooting one for that matter.) All that should be necessary is a signiture confirming that all of the printed information is correct.

From what I've seen in my 30 years of doing vocational counseling with individuals with disabilities, many people with visable neuromuscular coordination problems have fewer symtoms when actually doing certain activities. As an example, trouble writing doesn't necessarily mean they'll have a problem doing something else using other combinations of muscles. This could include typing, driving, using a mouse, shooting, bowling, whatever.

John

 

[DnPRK]

From the written account, I would not sell the gun either. If he is not lucid enough to fill out a form, then he cannot use a gun for self-defense or sporting purposes. I would expect the buyer wants to use the gun in a suicide. Then his family would sue me for providing the tool he used to kill himself.

 

[Bubbles]

When I take my car to the dealer for service they pull up my name on the computer, ask if there are any changes to the info and print out the form for me to sign. I wish the gun stores around here could do that. I hate filling out the same info over and over on the state and federal forms.

Unfortunately, that would require FedGov to maintain a nationwide database of gun owners...

Back to the topic - I see nothing wrong with selling firearms to the physically handicapped. They have just as much a right - and potentially more of a need IMO, since criminals prey on those who they perceive to be weak - to defend themselves as anyone else.

 

[MoNsTeR]

a private business has the right to refuse service to anyone.

This is, of course, nonsense...
...in today's %$#@ed-up legal climate. :banghead:

 

[sturmruger]

My thoughts

I think there is a big difference between people that are physically handicapped and people that are mentally handicapped. I have known several people with physical handicaps that can shoot better then I. The title “Handicapped†is applied to a lot of people that hardly need the title. I had a customer that was blind. Other then the first time he came into my shop I don’t know that I ever would have noticed he was blind. He had an exceptional memory and could walk through my entire store without bumping in to anything!! According to the state he was handcapped, but I don’t think he would have claimed that title.

I have also known a few mentally challenged people that I hardly trust with a pen let alone a loaded gun!! If I remember correctly if you have been committed to a mental institution by the court you may be ineligible to purchase a firearm. I suppose that covers most people. I am all for the 2A but there are still people that I don’t feel should be able to purchase a firearms

Before I get flamed to death I would never want there to be more stringent laws limiting who can own a firearm. I think the system we have in place covers everything just fine. Once you add extra restrictions to who can purchase a gun you start down a slippery slope that is hard to get back up. Maybe that makes me a bigot or something.

 

[manwithoutahome]

I guess I would be "handicapped" but not yet at the stage where the state/gov call me so.

I have neuro damage in my back/neck and go "tingly" and get real bad shakes, not to mention the pain.

I volunteered at a camp for those with autism, downs, etc.. With some of the kids they had enough mental capacity to fire on the rimfire range (.22 rifles only). It was a one on one deal, one volunteer with one child. The others were "tested" on low power BB guns (rifle only). You'd be surprised how "smart" the kids got and how attentive they were.

As for those that get mental diseases, one of the things that you have to watch for is when they become "clear" (for short periods of time their minds become very sharp and alert). This is when many will commit suicide with what they can get ahold of. Since guns are quick, they will chose this method. I for one would do so (and I'm not kidding) unless they had found a cure by then.

I've spoken with many in wheelchairs and contrary to liberal popular belief, they can't run away. I have about a 60/40 chance of being in a wheelchair myself one day and NOBODY is going to take my only tool for self defense away!

Wayne

 

[Bullet Bob]

When I first read the title of this thread, I thought it was about selling handicapped guns, not selling TO the handicapped.

I thought I was going to have to sell all of mine, none of them can shoot straight.

 

[pax]

TallMan ~

The thread starter said he felt "conflicted" about the transaction he witnessed, and implied that perhaps such noticeably physically handicapped people should be denied the ability to purchase a gun.

"Noticeably physically handicapped people" includes my buddy. Who can barely hold a pen steady these days. Who looks disabled and whose face looks ... well, "funny."

The thread starter wasn't talking only about the incident he himself witnessed, after all. He was opening a discussion about all such incidents.

pax

Fallaces sunt rerum species.

 

[JohnBT]

"Unfortunately, that would require FedGov to maintain a nationwide database of gun owners..."

Why? If the feds will accept a computer-generated form with my inked signiture, then the only computerized personal info will be on the local dealers' computers. They already know who I am - I'm on their mailing list and credit card bills. The way I envision it I'd have to ask them to save the info for my convenience if I didn't want to keep having to fill out the stupid forms.

I imagine the feds have me on a list somewhere already anyway after nearly 40 years of buying guns and stuff and subscribing to magazines. Not to mention my concealed gun permit and NRA membership.

John

 

[Tall Man]

Hi pax -

The thread starter said he felt "conflicted" about the transaction he witnessed, and implied that perhaps such noticeably physically handicapped people should be denied the ability to purchase a gun.

Agreed.

The thread starter wasn't talking only about the incident he himself witnessed, after all. He was opening a discussion about all such incidents.

Conditional agreement. The thread starter (chink) was in fact discussing only the incident that he witnessed personally, as a rereading of his post should illustrate. It was the rest of us who opened things up here.


You did not comment how a refused sale is functionally equivalent to having your friend's existing firearms taken away. I believe this to be salient since your original comment

"And you want to take his guns away?? I don't think so."

suggested that very outcome. The inability to increase one's inventory should not, ceteris paribus, have an adverse affect on one's existing allotment.

Now, if someone is calling to remove what is presently in your bud's possession, then say so. Chances are you will have a slew of allies rushing in to defend your position. I might be among them.

TM

 

[atek3]

I think most vendor's wouldn't sell to the disabled because Walmart go sued when they sold a gun to a mentally handicapped person and they used the gun to kill someone.

atek3