Just heard on the news: Greensboro NC couple attacked by gang of 20.....

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20 to 2 ? what type of out come do you really expect? The only thing I know for sure is that there would be no continium of force & I wouldn't be looking for the leader I'd shoot the first guy in front of me and I repeat till one of 3 most likely outcomes occurred; They get me, I get away, or they decide to run.

While I think it's likely that the mob would decide that they had nothing to gain by pressing the attack I wouldn't count on it.

And one thing I know for sure just having a gun my chances are 1000% better than the people who were attacked W/ no means of self defense
 
Regardless of the outcome, no one should ever feel good about the taking of another human life. Ask someone who has actually killed before and how it has effected them.
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I have. A local LEO described to me how he had to shoot a BG that was shooting at him. He killed him. He has no regrets, no nightmares, no PTSS; NO ill effects. He is proud of the way he protected himself and fellow officers and will tell the story to anyone who asks. BTW, he is a SWAT commander.
 
I'm just guessing here, but it seems to me that an LEO SWAT commander shooting someone while on the job is less psychologically jarring than a office employee having to shoot someone on his lunch break.
 
F350 4wd Power Stroke, I won't have time to empty a magazine.:neener:
If in heavy traffic at lunch time its a whole other deal but on a road in the dead of night I'm not stopping for anybody.
 
+1

A gaggle of people blocking the road late at night trying to stop you??

Hit the high beams, the horn & the accelerator. Do you reallyneed a sign that says "Ambush ahead"??

Sheeesh.
 
A gaggle of people blocking the road late at night trying to stop you??

Hit the high beams, the horn & the accelerator. Do you reallyneed a sign that says "Ambush ahead"??

Sheeesh.
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Let me know how that manslaughter charge works out for you once you've killed the nuns flagging you down because of their flat tire.
 
Cornered as hell?

Fight like hell.

Otherwise, run screaming like a schoolgirl at your earliest convenience.
 
I'm just guessing here, but it seems to me that an LEO SWAT commander shooting someone while on the job is less psychologically jarring than a office employee having to shoot someone on his lunch break.
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It depends on what the person has been conditioned to expect he/she should feel, how they are able to process the circumstances, and how they are treated after the event.

If the office employee has made the decision to be willing to use force to save their life before the circumstance has ever arisen, they'll be in a better position mentally than someone who never thought about it and carried a weapon as a talisman against evil. If the office employee is treated as someone who did the right thing rather than as a pariah, they'll be better off.

This same applies to LEOs and soldiers. Every group has those who were mentally unprepared for what might occur, or were treated unfairly, and suffered accordingly.
 
If they still keep coming when empty at least I did as much damage as I could before I go down.

For me that's 42 rounds (3 mags at 14 shots each) for 20 targets.
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How much time do you think you would have to shoot all those rounds? It isn't a question of ammo. The situation starts with these guys getting within arms reach to mug you (or even rounding a corner 20ft away). If they rush you, you may shoot 1, then it is up to your movement and h2h skills to create distance again and either shoot more or run. Not an easy task.
 
Thanks For Letting Us Know

Strambo,

I hadn't heard of this kind of attack before. Thanks for letting us know.
Please let us know if you hear of any more incidents like this.
THANKS!
 
If you think about it this should not be a hard situation to handle (depending on many factors of course.) If all the gang members were unarmed ( I assume they were) you should be able to use deadly force on the ring leader, and most likely the rest will scatter. Of course you don't shoot until you know he's going to or is going to cause serious bodily harm.

Now if the rest don't flee then you'll have to tough it out or run. Personally, if I wasn't closed in I'd run. If you can't run, I'd take out a few more and run through where they were standing, get to the nearest phone and dial 911.

Of course if they don't scatter upon you using deadly force on the ringleader, your odds of surviving go down drastically. However there is still hope. These kinds of situations is why i still prefer Hi-cap 9mm's. More rounds can stop more targets, especially if you can shoot great with it.
 
I find that in these hypothetical one versus many scenarios it is always assumed that when the one pulls a gun, the many will:

1) Scatter like cockroaches
OR
2) shamble like zombies while you calmly head shoot them.

Few consider the possibility of the opposition responding with gunfire. What if just a few of the many have guns and decide to use them also? Not a happy thought...
 
No plan survives past the initial enemy contact.

Some dead general said that once. Or maybe it was a segeant or a football coach. Well whoever said it you get the point.

Something to think about.
 
And if they are not armed and you shoot one or more, the remainder will swear on the Bible in court that you just walked up and started shooting them! The good guy is screwed either way, but one way he or she will still be alive.
 
Sounds a little off if you ask me. 37 yo male 18 yo female, jealous younger dude.....well you get the picture.
 
Lot of detail not mentioned

The relationship of the couple, where they were coming from, carrying a laptop may have been working or coming home from a late session on a school project, unlikely couple to be carrying weapons in that case.

20 people surround you, (3 men with knives within arms reach vs 1 man with a gun the man with the gun is going to die), 20 people against 2 unarmed people and they are still alive and relatively unscathed, they were lucky people.

Unless a group announces its intentions before they get close to you its hard to prepare and if you are late at night armed with a laptop its even harder to prepare, they may not have had anyplace to run to. Like I said, a dreadful lack of detail.

By the way the same paper says the police are giving away free gun locks to anybody who wants one.
 
Situations can change fast and not of your own doing. My wife, daughter and I were riding with my dad to pick up my brother from the airport. Dad makes a wrong turn, gets lost and starts roaming around the 'hood looking for the freeway or something familiar. He's totally condition green, I'm redder than a pot of crawfish. He stops at an intersection and starts rambling about how it looked when he was a kid, etc...mean while I looking at the dude in front of the abandoned gas station with his hand down his pants. Obviously a sentry as there are numerous gangsta rides parked arrayed around the place. I put my hand on my .357. Dad motors on still oblivious. I figured if the drew, I would shoot and knew I could easily drop him from that distance, but then realized that he might have more than 5 friends inside. I now carry a Ruger P89 with a reload when I go downtown.
 
The best weapon you got is your right foot, use it and get the hell out of Dodge. If you make it and are still feeling froggy turn around and give em another wack at you. I don't get the stand and fight concept with 20 attackers, just doesn't seem winable last resort kind of deal only.
 
Definately not my area of expertise to comment on how to deal with such a situation but the discussion did bring to mind something Col. Jeff Cooper wrote over ten years ago...

"The point is however, that winning a gunfight is not so much a matter of marksmanship as of mindset..." "To maintain control under conditions of lethal stress calls for a warrior mentality, and that is something that cannot be simply inserted into a police officer (me-or anyone else for that matter...) in the course of a training session."

Cooper's Corner, July 1997

And again in September 1997 he emphasized this same point in a response to the North Hollywood shootout in LA that year. Cooper's response to the insistance that the LAPD was 'undergunned' was "Now as we all know, one is only undergunned if he misses". His point being, I believe, that if you have that 'warrior' mindset your training will take over and you WILL hit to your point of aim or close to it. He also mentioned teaching students the Mozambique drill-2 shots to the chest and 1 to the head as a regular part of training. Certainly a well executed drill against an armor wearing thug would be over in three shots using such a method.

No matter what one's opinion may be of the Colonel's wisdom, you have to admit that "mindset" and "accuracy" certainly are key to coming out on the winning side!

I brought this up because of the question regarding the effect of 'killing' someone in a gunfight. I know I'm not the only one who has noticed that we have pretty much been 'breeding' violence out of our young people for at least two generations. What I mean is we just about have them convinced via the public school classroom that violence NEVER solves anything and "two wrongs don't make a right". God only knows the amount of time spent in Military training so our Warriors can get past this and onto the job of protecting our nation.

Unfortunately, we are fighting an uphill battle to counter-teach our sons and daughters that on this side of Heaven at least, violence IS THE SOLUTION to much (maybe even most?) of what is wrong in our world.

I made it a point to constantly remind my daughters that there is Righteous violence and there is unrighteous violence and what the difference is.

Sorry for rambling...
 
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