Just heard on the news: Greensboro NC couple attacked by gang of 20.....

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What I mean is we just about have them convinced via the public school classroom that violence NEVER solves anything and "two wrongs don't make a right".

Yes indeed, Mongrel! If I hear someone tell me that "violence is NEVER the answer" one more time I'm gonna...I'm gonna...

...well I'm not gonna hurt 'em - but they may get splattered a little when my head explodes!

"Two wrongs don't make a right" - but what's wrong with using righteous force against criminal violence? That would be better expressed as "One right rights a wrong."
 
Bob-agree "One right rights a wrong".

Hey, in my house growing up if someone used the wrong-shall we say "ethnic slur" towards me or anyone in my family it was grounds for a punch in the mouth-no questions asked. My father taught me that it wasn't a matter of 'winning' but principal and I came out on top as long as "they knew they were in a fight".

Suffice to say, I was never bullied or intimidated by the same guy twice. lol
 
What the *&!!! were they doing on that road at that time anyhow?
Hmmm.

Woman got off work at 1:15am (had to close) and man is escorting her home because she doesn't feel safe going alone?

They are both students who were up late working on a project?

Stuff happens. Not everyone who is out late is "looking for trouble."
 
Check out the map that Bushwhacker posted. The robbery happened just West of the Colliseum. Just east of the Colliseum and north of Lee St. is UNCG where my wife just recently graduated from. Everything south of Lee St is rough.
 
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Suspects Impersonating Police Storm Greensboro Apartment
Last Edited: Friday, 11 Jul 2008, 5:55 AM EDT
Created: Friday, 11 Jul 2008, 5:55 AM EDT
MyFox Local News

GREENSBORO, N.C. (WGHP) -- Three men stormed inside a home on N. Elm St. late Thursday night.

Passy Kabizo and Pisho Kazadi live at the home. They told police that someone knocked on the door and shouted "Police!" When they opened the door, three black males stormed inside and demanded money and drugs.

The suspects took a cell phone, DVD player, laptop computer, clear wire modem, and a 47” TV. No one was injured.

The suspects are described as a black male with his shirt over his face, jeans and carrying a pistol. The second suspect was wearing a mask, a white t-shirt and blue shorts. There is no description of the third suspect.

Strength in numbers must be the name of the game these days.
 
Against that kind of mob I doubt i'd actually survive unscathed...but at a least a few of them wouldn't survive at all.Stomp+stab,repeat as needed..
I hate scum like that!
 
If you think about it this should not be a hard situation to handle (depending on many factors of course.) If all the gang members were unarmed ( I assume they were) you should be able to use deadly force on the ring leader, and most likely the rest will scatter. Of course you don't shoot until you know he's going to or is going to cause serious bodily harm.

Now if the rest don't flee then you'll have to tough it out or run. Personally, if I wasn't closed in I'd run. If you can't run, I'd take out a few more and run through where they were standing, get to the nearest phone and dial 911.

Of course if they don't scatter upon you using deadly force on the ringleader, your odds of surviving go down drastically. However there is still hope. These kinds of situations is why i still prefer Hi-cap 9mm's. More rounds can stop more targets, especially if you can shoot great with it.

Quite a lot of this is drivel.

If you consider 20 to 2 odds "not that hard", you need to have your head examined. "run through where they were standing"? Mob attacks do not have static lines like video games. They are "dynamic" to put it mildly. People coming at you from pretty much all directions, lots of noise, etc. If they are determined, or simply cracked out/methed up, they are not going to stop after a few rounds. Dealing with one cokehead has gotten many armed and trained cops killed. What makes you think you can take on 10 to one odds with cokeheads mixed in? Hell, where are you going to find the time to reload after that first mag runs dry? I'm betting there's at least one of them inside 21 feet, and that's plenty of time to close and club or shank you before you can get that next round on target. Reloads are great when you have COVER, or at least concealment. In the open against a determined mob in melee range, you are meat. The only time you will ever have a chance to reload is if you are barricaded in your home/car/shop/etc.

Dialing 911 from a payphone while getting mobbed will get you beat with that very phone for the 15 minutes minimum it will take them to respond to the call, if you can even get through to 911. I've waited for over 20 minutes on 911. Have you ever had occasion to use the dial-a-prayer system?

Also, out of a crowd of 20 thugs, I'm willing to bet at least one of them also has a firearm. While you're dealing with the 19 friends, that one has plenty of time to get all set to plug you. Odds are you won't even clearly see the gunman. Try to keep the fantasies out of the strategies and tactics forums, huh?

Your best choices are to 1. Run like hell, and 2. Run faster. If you are followed, and some of them have fallen behind, then, like you say, you might be able to pick off some leaders and retreat further. Even that, though presupposes you have some way to run in the first place. Any mob is a bad situation, and is best avoided.
 
Jeep is hard!

Our Jeep Cherokee Laredo is hard on the outside, at ten miles an hour it is akin to a howitzer shell in kinetic energy.

How do you teach this mind set to two Lady's, not born in the US of A?

My Buddy and I had refused admission to 5 yobs, not happy about that, as we exited the club, into my Company Van, and rapid exited area (1960)
These half wits held hands, and blocked Matthew St, the two on the outside had, #1 tire Iron, #2 Truck Jack handle, I blew through them in second gear, found the tire iron and jack handle the next night.

Liverpool City Police returned the mirror that got broken off, the two coppers could not tell us the story for falling down laughing! apparently the bent young gents went to a Police Station to file a complaint? They said the desk Sgt; kept saying "You did what?" one of the listening coppers wet himself!

Back to the Original post, 20 young men? Not sure how I would have been on foot facing them, but a 9mm Glock 19, firing a Plus P plus round at them, no ear muffs? and continuing to fire? They would bomb burst away from those bright flashes, and extremely loud shots! Plus the ugly sound of bullet on flesh.
 
More than one carry gun????

I recently read a handgun mag that proposed that you should carry more than one gun. I thought that was a bit to ”mall ninja” for me, but after reading this I have to wonder…..
 
It seems to me that the best way to avoid trouble is to stay away from places and/or times it's likely to occur. High Point Rd--anywhere on it--at 1:25 AM is a place to stay the heck away from. 25 years ago, when I was young and stupid and that area was a lot safer, I never stopped around there after 11 PM. (Well, maybe a few times, but with 6 or 8 friends. Putt-Putt was a happenin' place, and before that, it was Peaches Records. Ah, the old days. :)) Knowing what's happened to the place now....

At one time, I really, REALLY wanted to live in Greensboro. Now, you just about have to bribe me to get me to go near the place. My wife refuses to shop there any longer, even though she's spent a lot of her life shopping at Four Seasons Mall. She says it's too dangerous. And when my wife, who has the situational awareness of Bozo the Clown, says that, you can bet it's bad.
 
I am not at all surprised. High Point road is insane.

I was driving down it pretty late one night with my GF and some guy ran out into the road like the beginning of an ambush. He waved like he needed help and almost ran in front of the car...until he saw me speeding up.

I looked back and saw others waiting in the bushes. This was right at the intersection with...Tate St. I believe. NOT a good area.
 
20 people? I wouldn't blame someone for defending themselves with a beltfed machine gun or flamethrower against that.
 
Reading this thread a few things stick in my mind.

One, not everyone out at an "odd" hour is up to no good. Two, even with a Belt Fed Machine Gun you're toast if they are determined to attack. Three, I carry two or three weapons off duty, not including the knives, more to have a gun accessable to either hand no matter what position I may find myself in than for the capacity. Four, with the "disparity of force" evident those two are lucky to be alive and should buy a lottery ticket.

Some days you're the lawn mower and some days you're the grass. This was their day to be the grass.

BikerRN
 
we were trained to drive through the ambush as quickly as possible, officer. must have reverted to my experience when threatened. oops.

lateley the fun in fayettenam is to go walking down the road in black hoodies after midnight. i love 2nd shift...
 
I can't get to the story to read it, the link says temporarily unavailable but I assume they were taken from their car and beaten.

I can never understand how someone in a moving vehicle can be forcibly removed without their permission. You are in a large metal object that has more power to move forward than a human has to prevent said movement.

Years ago, after watching the riots in LA after Rodney Kings beating verdict and seeing reports from other areas of the contry at other times that involved riots and the overhead copter footage that invariably shows someone being drug from their vehicle and beaten, I decided then and there that, if I ever found myself in a similar situation, I would not stop, and anyone attemting to drag me out of my vehicle would find themselves holding onto a person who was seatbelted into their seat traveling down the road with them in tow.

I came close to that situatioin by literrally minutes years ago in teh College Park riots in the Tampa Bay area. It was a small scale episode but when the riots broke out, I had driven through that area of town only minutes before without any idea of what was going on. I saw everything coming to a head after I got home and turned on the TV.

Watching the people burning thier own nieghborhood and such that day, I told my parents had I been there no more than 10 minutes later, I would have been in the thick of it. I thought about hwo I would have reacted then if it had been and in my heart I knew, I would have speed bumped anyone who got in front of my car. PERIOD! No firearm needed at that point. Besides, we all know the statistics, cars are deadlier than a firearm anytime.....
 
Greensboro residents victims of home invasion

Staff Reports
Wednesday, July 9
updated 8:21 am

"GREENSBORO - Four residents of a Greensboro apartment were forced to lay on the floor and empty their pockets during a home invasion early this morning, police said.

About 2:45 a.m. Wednesday, two male suspects with their faces covered kicked in the door and entered the apartment at 2021 Willow Road, according to Greensboro police.

They were forced to lay on the floor and empty their pockets of cash and cell phones.

The suspects then left.

Police ask people with information to call Crimestoppers at 373-1000."


http://www.news-record.com/content/2008/07/09/article/greensboro_residents_victims_of_home_invasion
 
Posted by fireflyfather:
Your best choices are to 1. Run like hell, and 2. Run faster. If you are followed, and some of them have fallen behind, then, like you say, you might be able to pick off some leaders and retreat further. Even that, though presupposes you have some way to run in the first place. Any mob is a bad situation, and is best avoided.

Presuming the intended victims are on foot:

What if you're a typical middle-aged male with a "spare tire" around the waistline, and you're with your wife? In a bad neighborhood late at night, no less.

Do you honestly think a middle-aged couple is going to be able to outrun a pack of teenage gangbangers on their own turf in the middle of the night?!

I'd sure as heck want to be packing a large caliber, high capacity semi-auto with a couple extra magazines. The odds would still not be good, but it would beat the hades out of being unarmed or carrying a five round snubbie. Forty rounds of .45 ACP gives you a fighting chance.

In a situation where flight isn't possible, try to get the wife and yourself behind cover---a nearby parked car or anything else that would stop a bullet---and open fire.

Avoiding a mob isn't always possible. Take for example the many people who turned down the wrong street at the wrong time during the Los Angeles and Miami riots. They didn't have a clue what was waiting just around the corner. Many ended up dead or seriously injured.

If more of them had been carrying firearms, at least some of them may have been able to successfully defend themselves.
 
Staying in good shape always helps, though. At 55 you'll never be 25 again but it's almost hard to believe what a little exercise and watching what you eat does. Stick to a healthy 185 pounds (or more if you pump iron) and you stand a lot better chance of surviving both passively (health-wise) and in emergencies.
 
I can't get to the story to read it, the link says temporarily unavailable but I assume they were taken from their car and beaten.

My understanding is that they were on foot, on their way to their vehicle when this happened.
 
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