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Just took concealed carry class in Missouri

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  1. Ford

    Ford Member

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    Well now all I have to do is wait untill the second week of October to apply for my ccw permit.
    I just took the required 8 hour class. Not bad, we went over the new bill(s)
    that was passed. (Word for Word). Proper gun handling, cleaning, taking your gun apart, safety, self defense and what it means. Covered different scenarios. (sp?) The Instrucor did a good job. The man was VERY qualified. Had certificates from about every county in the State, Several other states the FBI, NRA, etc.... to be a firearms instructor.
    Anyway I am glad it is over, the best part though was getting qualified with your pistol.

    Missouri residents let me know when all you other guys take your class.

    Good Luck
     
  2. JohnKSa

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    Is MO going to accept TX Concealed Handgun Licenses?
     
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    Reciprocity

    From what I remember they recognize all other state permits. They have a pretty good law in MO. The only downside for residents is the fact that you have to be 23. I am sure they will make some changs in the future.
     
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    So where/how do we find out about classes? I haven't asked at my local range yet. In fact, I just read an article in my local paper that mentioned the sheriff's department (Clay County) is still working out the forms and requirements, including class information.

    So....how do we know if a class will be accepted as Qualified by our counties?

    Boy, I can't wait for all of this to get rolling!
     
  5. Ford

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    Clay County has told the Centerfire Range in Claycomo that they will accept certificates from them. So Centerfire is having all the people in Clay county to take the class. The Instructor works for the Clay County Sheriffs Dept. Is also certified by the FBI, NRA and a host of other counties and States. I am number 5 in Clay County to pass.
     
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    Kamicosmos -

    Here's a link to the CCW classes conducted by THR's own John Ross. He furnishes everything up to & including guns and ammo. The fee is $100 which is refundable if you don't pass (which I believe would be unlikely with him as the instructor). I'm not sure exactly where he's located.

    http://www.john-ross.net/missouri_ccw.htm

    HTH,

    R-Tex12
     
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    Out-freakin-standing!
     
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    I know there is a sign-up sheed at Denny's in North Kansas City as well. Not sure who is instructing but they said they will most likely give the classes at the Bullet Hole in KS which I thought was kinda funny.
     
  10. Kamicosmos

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    Thanks for the info guys!

    (John Ross is in St Louis I believe.)

    One last question. I used to shoot at Clayco all the time so I'll probably go there.

    Do we need to take the class in the county where the permit will be issued? I'll be moving to a different county next month (Cass), and that's probably where I'll be actually applying for my permit. Unless there is county residency (time in county) issues, in which case I may try to get it up in Clay. I haven't checked out the gun ranges down here in this area yet...

    EDIT: Also, I presume we can shoot with any gun/carry with any gun? The permit isn't going to be for one specific weapon I hope?
     
  11. Ford

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    My understanding is that you do not have to take the class in the same county that you are going to apply for the permit in. You will need to check and make sure that the Sheriffs Dept. in your county of residence will accept the Concealed Carry Certificate from were you are going to take the class. All of the guys except for one that took the class with me were from Clay County because Clay county has said that the certification from Centerfire Range/Claycomo Guns is acceptable. I know also that after you have your permit and you move to a different county you have 30 days to notify the Sheriffs Dept. in your new county.
     
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    Who is offering classes for Cass county (Belton, Harrisonville)?
    I cant even think of a gun shop down here...
     
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    Not sure I have a friend that lives in Pleasant Hill and I think he is just going to sign up at the one in Claycomo. I will let you know if he finds one Cass Co. I know that there is a class in Independence.
     
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    Cass County concealed carry classes

    I have the same question. I live near P Hill but work in Grandview. There is a gun shop in Harrisonville (Shell's), and one near Garden City, but I don't know of anyone who's doing the required classes. Then again, I haven't asked yet. If you find out, let me know.
     
  15. Ford

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    Here is a list of some gun ranges in Missouri

    Aurora - Aurora Trap & Skeet, 700 E. Crescent St. - Baldwin Park, Aurora, MO 65605.
    Phone: 417-723-8315
    Facilities include: Trap, Skeet
    Range Access: Public
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Barnhart - Arnold Rifle and Pistol Club, 8384 Metropolitan Blvd, Barnhart, MO 63012.
    Phone: 636-475-5900
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (50 yds), Outdoor Rifle (100 yds), Muzzleloading, Skeet, Sporting Clays, Archery, Airgun
    Range Access: Private
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Bogard - Snow White Enterprises, , Bogard, MO 64622.
    Phone: 660-542-3037
    Facilities include: Trap, Sporting Clays
    Range Access: Public
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Bois D'Arc - Andy Dalton Shooting Range and Training Center, 4897 N. Farm Rd. 61, Bois D'Arc, MO 65612.
    Phone: 417-742-4361
    Facilities include: Muzzleloading, Trap, Skeet, Airgun
    Range Access: Public
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Bois D'Arc - Greene County Cowboy Society, 10526 N. Highway, Bois D'Arc, MO 65612.
    Phone: 417-742-0158
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol, Outdoor Rifle, Rifle Silhouette, Pistol Silhouette
    Range Access: Private
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Boonville - Kemper Military School JROTC, 701 3D, Boonville, MO 65233.
    Phone: 660-882-5623 X
    Facilities include: Indoor Rifle (33 ft), Archery
    Range Access: Private
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Boonville - River Hills Sporting Clays, 22701 Rocheport Rd., Boonville, MO 65233.
    Phone: 660-882-9130
    Facilities include: Trap, Skeet, Sporting Clays
    Range Access: Public
    Web Site: www.riverhillssportingclays.com
    Email: kpickett@mclumber.com
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Branson - Ozark Shooters Sports Complex, P. O. Box 6518, Branson, MO 65615.
    Phone: 417-587-3093
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (25 yds), Outdoor Rifle (200 yds), Trap, Skeet, Sporting Clays
    Range Access: Public


    Claycomo - Centerfire Indoor Range & Shop, 287 East 69 Hwy, Claycomo , MO 64119.
    Phone: 816-455-7468
    Facilities include: Indoor Pistol (25 yds)
    Hours of Operation: 10-6
    Range Access: Public
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Collins - The Shooting Place, 7035 S.E. 476 Road, Collins, MO 64738.
    Phone: 417-646-8269
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (7 Yds. - 100 Meters), Outdoor Rifle (25 Yds. - 100 Meters), Rifle Silhouette, Pistol Silhouette, Muzzleloading, Trap, Airgun
    Range Access: Public
    Email: Coldsteeler65@yahoo.com
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Columbia - Cedar Creek Rod & Gun Club, 1420 CR 276, Columbia, MO 65202.
    Phone: 573-474-8609
    Facilities include: Trap, Skeet, Sporting Clays
    Range Access: Public
    Web Site: www.cedarcreekrodandgunclub.com
    Email: mgates@socket.net
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Columbia - Green Valley Rifle & Pistol Club, Inc., 4900 Wyatt Lane, Columbia, MO 65255.
    Phone: 573-696-3738
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (25 & 35 yds), Indoor Pistol (50 ft), Outdoor Rifle (200 yds), Rifle Silhouette, Pistol Silhouette, Muzzleloading, Archery
    Range Access: Private
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Columbia - Target Masters, #4101 N. Rangeline Street Columbia, Columbia, MO 65202.
    Phone: 573-443-3700
    Facilities include: Indoor Pistol (75 ft to 25 yds), Pistol Silhouette, Archery
    Range Access: Public
    Email: target@tranquility.net
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Doe Run - 67 Gun Club, Inc., 1678 Henrich Rd., Doe Run, MO 63640.
    Phone: 573-431-4569
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (25 and 50 yds), Outdoor Rifle (25, 50, 100, 200 & 300 yd)
    Range Access: Private
    Email: fasher1@yahoo.com
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Fenton - Bullseye Gun & Rod Club, P.O. Box 1104, Fenton, MO 63026.
    Phone: 314-386-9105
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (50 yds), Outdoor Rifle (500 yds), Rifle Silhouette, Pistol Silhouette, Muzzleloading
    Range Access: Private


    Fort Leonard Wood - Sportsmen Center, Building 2282, Sportsmens Rd., Fort Leonard Wood, MO 65473.
    Phone: 573-596-0974
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (100 M.), Outdoor Rifle (300 M.), Rifle Silhouette, Pistol Silhouette, Muzzleloading, Trap, Skeet, Archery, Airgun
    Range Access: Public
    Email: holtsclt@wood.army.mil
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Gravois Mills - Laurie Trap & Skeet, 31590 Hwy 5, Gravois Mills, MO 65037.
    Phone: 573-374-6027
    Facilities include: Trap, Skeet
    Range Access: Public
    Web Site: www.lauriemarine.com
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Higginsville - Lafayette Rod & Gun Club, Rocky Branch Rd., Higginsville, MO 64037.
    Phone: 660-237-4444
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (25 - 200 meters), Outdoor Rifle (50 - 200 meters), Pistol Silhouette, Muzzleloading, Sporting Clays
    Range Access: Private
    Click here for a map to the business:


    High Ridge - Jay Henges Shooting Range, 1100 Antire Road, High Ridge, MO 63049.
    Phone: 636-938-9548
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (15, 25, 50, 75 & 100 yds), Outdoor Rifle (15, 25, 50, 75 & 100 yds), Muzzleloading, Trap, Airgun
    Range Access: Public
    Click here for a map to the business:


    High Ridge - Missouri Dept. of Conservation Henges Range & Training Center, 1100 Antire Rd., High Ridge, MO 63049.
    Phone: 636-938-9548
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (15, 25, 50, 75, 100 yds), Outdoor Rifle (15, 25, 50, 75, 100 yds), Muzzleloading, Trap, Archery
    Range Access: Public
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Holdon - Pioneer Gun Club, 900 N.W. 1571, Holdon, MO 64040.
    Phone: 816-743-9218
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (50 yds), Outdoor Rifle (200 yds), Muzzleloading, Trap, Archery
    Range Access: Private
    Email: pioneer@planetkc.com
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Houston - Big Piney Sportsmen's Club, 16866 Hwy B., Houston, MO 65483.
    Phone: 417-967-2878
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (25-200 yds), Outdoor Rifle (200-600 yds), Pistol Silhouette, Trap, Airgun
    Range Access: Private
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Imperial - Catfish Guns Indoor Shooting Center, 900 Jeffco Exec. Blvd., Imperial, MO 63052.
    Phone: 636-464-1217
    Facilities include: Indoor Pistol (75 FT), Indoor Rifle (75 FT), Archery
    Range Access: Public
    Email: NE6359@AOL.COM
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Independence - Crossfire Recreational Center, 21200 E. Truman, Independence, MO 64056.
    Phone: 816-796-0023
    Facilities include: Indoor Pistol (25 yards), Indoor Rifle (25 yards), Archery, Airgun
    Range Access: Public
    Email: lakmom@aol.com
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Jackson - Cape County Gun Club, State Highway 72, Jackson, MO 63755.
    Phone: 573-472-5295
    Facilities include: Trap, Skeet, Sporting Clays
    Range Access: Public
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Jefferson City - United Sportsmen's Club, Henwick Lane, Jefferson City, MO 65101.
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (50 yds), Outdoor Rifle (500 yds), Pistol Silhouette, Muzzleloading, Trap, Skeet, Sporting Clays, Archery, Airgun
    Range Access: Private
    Email: ber682@unitedsportsmensclub.com
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Lexington - Rangemasters 4H Shooting Sports, 11656 Hwy O, Lexington, MO 64067.
    Phone: 660-259-6455
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (100 Yds.), Outdoor Rifle (100 Yds.), Muzzleloading, Sporting Clays, Archery, Airgun
    Range Access: Private
    Email: zeller@iland.net
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Linn Creek - Missouri Trapshooter Assn, Inc., Rr#1 Box 396 Lake Rd A, Linn Creek, MO 65052.
    Phone: 573-346-2449
    Facilities include: Trap
    Range Access: Public


    Macon - Macon "63" Gun Club, 29790 Jigsaw Pl, Macon, MO 63552.
    Phone: 660-239-4507
    Facilities include: Trap, Skeet
    Range Access: Public
    Click here for a map to the business:


    New London - Ka-Tonka Clay Sports & Hunting, 57290 Cumber Land Trail, New London, MO 63459.
    Phone: 573-985-7477
    Facilities include: Trap, Skeet, Sporting Clays
    Range Access: Public
    Web Site: www.ka-tonka.com
    Email: hunt@ka-tonka.com
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Owensville - Owensville Gun Club, Hwy 28 west, Owensville, MO 65066.
    Phone: 573-437-6166
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (80 yards), Outdoor Rifle (500 meters), Rifle Silhouette, Pistol Silhouette, Muzzleloading, Trap, Skeet, Sporting Clays
    Range Access: Private
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Pacific - St. Louis Skeet and Trap Club, 18854 Franklin Road, Pacific, MO 63069.
    Phone: 636-271-4210
    Facilities include: Trap, Skeet
    Range Access: Public
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Pevely - Sandy Valley Hunt Club, 2754 Sandy Creek Rd., Pevely, MO 63070.
    Phone: 636-475-5266
    Facilities include: Sporting Clays
    Range Access: Public
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Princeton - Rattlesnake Ridge Shooting Range, R.R. 2, Princeton, MO 64673.
    Phone: 660-748-4624
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (0-100 yds), Outdoor Rifle (0-300 yds)
    Range Access: Private
    Email: sstckmn@netins.net
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Reeds - Bear Holler Shooting Range, 8232 Dogwood LAne, Reeds, MO 64859.
    Phone: 417-674-0259
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (25-100 yds), Outdoor Rifle (25-250 yds), Rifle Silhouette, Pistol Silhouette, Muzzleloading
    Hours of Operation: call for appointment
    Range Access: Public
    Web Site: www.bearholler.tripod.com
    Email: bear_holler@yahoo.com
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Rolla - Central Ozarks Practical Shooters (COPS), 23455 County Road 7640, Rolla, MO 65402.
    Phone: (573) 364-8670
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol, Outdoor Rifle
    Range Access: Private
    Web Site: www.rollanet.org/~bdelp/cops/
    Email: pmherman@rollanet.org
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Salem - Ozark Gun Club, R #4 Box 842, Salem, MO 65560.
    Phone: 573-729-4652
    Facilities include: Trap, Skeet
    Range Access: Public


    Smithville - KC Trapshooters Association, 6420 NE 176th St., Smithville, MO 64089.
    Phone: 816-532-4427
    Facilities include: Trap, Skeet
    Range Access: Public
    Click here for a map to the business:


    Smithville - KCTA Public Shooting Park, 6420 NE 176th St., Smithville, MO 64089.
    Phone: 816-532-4427
    Facilities include: Trap, Skeet
    Range Access: Public
    Email: kctalag@excite.com
    Click here for a map to the business:


    St. Charles - August A. Busch Mem. Conservation Area Range Complex, 2360 Hwy D, St. Charles, MO 63304.
    Phone: 636-300-1953
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (15,25,50,75,100 yds.), Outdoor Rifle (15,25,50,75,100 yds.), Rifle Silhouette, Pistol Silhouette, Muzzleloading, Trap, Skeet, Archery, Airgun
    Range Access: Public
    Web Site: www.mdc.state.mo.us/areas/ranges/busch
    Email: buschrange@mdc.state.mo.us
    Click here for a map to the business:


    St. Charles - Missouri Dept. of Conservation - August A. Busch Range Complex, 2360 Hwy D, St. Charles, MO 63304.
    Phone: 636-441-4554
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (15, 25, 50, 75, 100 yds), Outdoor Rifle (15, 25, 50, 75, 100 yds), Muzzleloading, Trap, Skeet, Archery, Airgun
    Range Access: Public
    Email: buschrange@mail.conservation.sate.mo.us
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    St. Louis - Bullseye Indoor Shooting Range, 5100 Manchester Ave., St. Louis, MO 63110.
    Phone: 314-781-4867
    Facilities include: Indoor Pistol (25 yds), Indoor Rifle (25 yds)
    Range Access: Public
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    Warsaw - American Legion, Wildcat Dr. (Old 65 Hwy.), Warsaw, MO 65355.
    Phone: (417) 646-8240
    Facilities include: Trap
    Range Access: Private
    Email: sandee@inter-linc.net
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    Washburn - Washburn Shooting Supplies L.L.C., HCR 79 Box 138, Washburn, MO 65772.
    Phone: 417-826-5505
    Facilities include: Trap, Skeet, Sporting Clays
    Range Access: Public
    Email: wsstrapskeet@mo-net.com


    Willard - Rocky Holler, 6839 N. Hwy 44, Willard, MO 65781.
    Phone: 417-868-8834
    Facilities include:
    Range Access: Public
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    Wright City - Benchrest Rifle Club of St. Louis, 2045 Kohn Rd, Wright City, MO 63390.
    Phone: 314-745-8144
    Facilities include: Outdoor Pistol (up to 100 yds), Outdoor Rifle (up to 600 yds), Rifle Silhouette
    Range Access: Private
    Email: dballoi@mail.win.org
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  16. Baba Louie

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    Ford et al,

    Great news on taking class, early bird.

    A question or two for you based on my taking CCW class in NV awhile back and having a keen interest in MO CCW...

    Did your instructor have class material that you can use in a court of law as evidence of your training should you ever need to actually, you know, use a firearm in self defense? Things like a notebook chock full of literature, video-tape of class, etc. that can be used to help sway a "potential future jury" and make your attorney's job a little easier? Force continuum, Ability, Opportunity and Intent/Jeopardy, retreat, when is lethal force OK and (more importantly) when is lethal force NOT OK? Stuff like that.

    How many hours of shooting and/or rounds down range did you actually spend on that portion of the 8 hr. class?

    Are you, or would you consider taking additional class/range time by a qualified instructor to show "potential future jury" that you went "above and beyond" the legal minimum's, thus reassuring them of your all around capabilities in knowing your stuff, etc.? And if so, who or where would you recommend... Ray Chapman's Academy in Columbia? Is 24-32 hrs of training better than 8 hours or 1200 rds downrange vs. 50 rds? (Rhetorical question)

    Does MO have a specific requirement like NV does and limit your carry firearms to one or two that you've qualified with and are listed on your CCW, or is it you alone as the operator with any old handgun you feel like carrying/shooting that day (this goes back to showing the "potential future jury" that you know and have trained with that particular arm leaving them no "reasonable doubt" about your skill at arms with a specific arm).

    Lastly, my CCW class was taught not to scrimp on three things... 1. Your gun. 2. Your ammunition. 3. Your attorney.

    Who is your attorney? Do you have his/her card and phone number on you? How much moola and time is it going to take to have him/her ready to spring to action? Remember, attorney will need to spring your bail, be present for interview with police and later defend you in a criminal and civil courtroom.

    Finally, is your instructor willing to testify in court about all of the above as he/she WILL be called in as a witness in both the criminal and/or civil litigation you'll be getting into should you need?

    There's a reason I ask all of these stupid questions as my Dad is getting older and more infirm and I might find myself moving back to western MO in the near future.

    Points to ponder.

    Thanks for listing the various ranges. I take it they all offer classes?

    Adios
     
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    Baba Louie,
    You have some really good question. I will try to answer them the best I can.

    The only material that I brought home from the class was a print out of the new law that has been passed. 2 targets full of holes and a Certificate that I completed and passed the class. All those things were talked about but I have nothing that would be "proof". The Instructor did say that if something ever did happen that he would have to go to court along with the owner of the range.

    We spent about two and a half to three hours actuall range time. You are only allowed by law 50 practice rounds and 20 rounds for qualifing. You must put 15 of 20 targets in a B-27 target to pass.

    I would be interested in another class. I am going to check into something like Thunder Ranch, Gunsite etc... Never heard of the one you mentioned. I will check that out as well.

    I forgot to ask the question about how many guns are you allowed to carry. I did ask that Instructor if I needed to qualify with my Kahr PM9 and Kimber Compact CDP. He said that it was not necessary. So I shot only my Kimber. You didnt even have to qualify with the gun that you planned on carrying but the Instructor strongly urged us to. The law said nothing about having to qualify with each gun you wanted to carry or how many guns you could carry at one time. If it did say I misssed it.

    My attorney?? My work provides attorneys free of charge to employees.

    The Instructor did seem willing to go to court to discuss what we had been taught if ever need be.

    OH I do not know if all of the ranges listed offer classes. You would just have to call and see. Some people were just trying to find a range close to them and these I think are all ranges that offer classes taught by NRA Instructors.
     
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    When I took my class in TN the Instructor told the class that we could carry any hand gun we wanted but, If you decided to carry a different one then it would be best that you come by during one of the range session to qualify with that weapon in front of him. So that when you have to use said weapon he can say in a court that you were profecent(sp??) with it. I agree with him why take the risk it only takes a couple hours (at max) and 50 rounds. He also stated that some people shoot the 50 required to pass the course and that is all. He recomends that you go to the range more than 1 a year, he stated that it would look better on you.

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  19. Baba Louie

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    Ford,

    Wow, fast response dude.

    Does your employers attorney (and thus your employer) know you plan on having a concealed weapon? Do they have rules pro or con? You might want to have a serious heart to heart with said att'y real soon. Are THEY going to want to enter into this potential fracas and expose themselves for any liability (they've probably got deeper pockets than you if you know what I mean).

    Will you always be working for that same employer?

    So basically, your instructor and the range owner are going to show up in court and say, "Yep good old Ford was there in class, he listened and shot what he was supposed to" or will they also be named in a lawsuit (the deep pocket thing again) and have an attorney of their own.

    I ask these silly questions because my BIL is an attorney down in Springfield MO and he and I have had several "heart to heart's" on this subject, so please don't think I'm casting aspersions wildly about. He's pretty much a flaming Democrat and I love him dearly, but according to him, I stand way too far to the right of Atilla the Hun.

    Get a copy of the class syllabus. Print out my questions and ask your instructor his thoughts over lunch (you buy) please.

    Be prepared for the worst. Presenting class material and an 8 hour video tape as evidence gives the opposition something to wade through and re-think their position if you did everything right the fateful day you have to actually use lethal force.

    Also... a hint... jury selection... Keep that thought in mind for later use... it could save your life criminally and financially (think OJ and his two trial differences)

    www.chapmanacademy.com

    Should do you right. World Class, right there 3 hours from home.

    15 of 20? What range? Lighting level? Indoors or Out? Adrenilin up or typical range session? Night sights or plain black? Single action, double action semi, revolver or what? Ammo used? (Think like the opposing attorney here and work with me) How does that compare to say, the local police/sheriff or Hiway Patrol? Same gun, ammo, training? Former police type gun, BUG... you get the idea.

    Does the KCMO Police Dept have a Citizen's Academy? If so, take the class.

    Las Vegas does and I took the class (it was a hoot) and I got to shoot with LV Metro on their range as part of the curriculum and as an alumni we have an annual competition against the police. Think court here. Evidence to show you being a good guy and scads of training and shooting ability.

    Plus, it never hurts to know the local po-po armourer on a first name basis (hint hint... potential witness)

    Enough for now.

    Take it very seriously. Plan on the worst and have some course of action past the actual use of arms.

    Always think retreat and protection of your family. Work out a plan with loved ones at home, in car, at work (can you carry at work???), shopping, etc.

    Enjoy life.
    I just talked to Mom and Dad and discussed coming back for a visit soon (Indep). Maybe I'll look you KC guys up if time allows. Could be fun.

    Adios
     
  20. lessthan

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    Hi Ford,


    Just curious:

    Did the range evaluation include presentation from holster?

    At what distance was the qualification? 25 yds?

    Thanks!
     
  21. Ford

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    Yeah I am sitting by the computer watching the Bills, Dolphins game.
    You bring up good points. Hopefully someone will read this and remember to ask his/her instructor these questions.
     
  22. Ford

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    Were not required to draw from holster. 15 of 20 shots in B-27 target from 7 yards. Normall range conditions
     
  23. Pumpkinheaver

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    Ford,

    you can remove catfish guns( in imperial) from your list they are now out of buisness.
     
  24. Kamicosmos

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    Those are all excellent questions, and many are ones I myself have been pondering since the Over ride.

    I am going to start 'interviewing' lawyers soon. I figure I need one anyways on retainer, and I definetly want a pro gun one. Would really blow to need them for that, and they go: 'You were using a GUN?!?! Uh....'

    The course questions is the main reason I'm waiting. I want to wait untill the state puts out the actual guidelines. I have no doubts about passing the qual course, but why take a bunch that may not be recognized, or may just barely meet the states requirements? That said, I do like the suggestions of taking a couple different ones just to be covered.


    I am also extremely interested in taking one of the Big Schools classes, ie Thunder Ranch, LFI or something similar. I will look into the Chapman Academy, especially since they are only a few hours drive away. Sure is funny how any interest I had in CCW topics has suddenly gotten alot more serious, eh? :D


    On that note, perhaps all of us future CCWer's here could try to organize some kind of THR outing to one of the schools?
     
  25. fmjcafe

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    Hey, Ford. How much did it cost to take the class?
     
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