Just wondering why I'm not shot

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Here is something I will never get. I am right now working in a place where I have a firearm in reach. In fact everyone does. Imagine it thousands of us working with firearms on us 24/7. Ammo? I have 360 right now, but I pack allot. I think most have about 210 rounds. We eat, shop, walk, work, and sleep with them by our sides. Oh boy, this place must be Dodge City!

Yet no one is shooting each other. In fact, I have not yet heard of one of us even raising a gun towards another. If all the Gun Control Nuts (GCN’s) are right them we should all be dead by now. I mean, we aren’t special really. We come from cities, farms, suburbs, and rural areas. Many of us have been arrested at one point or another. So why aren’t we killing one another? I am confused.

I am guessing you have already figured out that I am a deployed service member. I have been pondering this for a while now. This is my third time deployed and I have yet to bear witness to more than a fist fight or two. We fight amongst ourselves to be sure (don’t ever think we don’t), but the guns have yet to make us kill each other. Over and over I ask what basis anyone could have to think that the presence of weapons (I should make it clear I count our beautiful bayonets and K-BAR’s here as well as my swords and bows at home as “weapons” the right to bear should include them too) will cause massive death to innocent people. The only ones I have seen us use them on out here are the enemy.


Maybe you could make the argument that we have bigger issues to deal with and that keeps us from going nuts. Though, you could argue the opposite too. Our training? Not likely since I got better training before I joined than since. And aren’t we taught TO kill? So you could say it is our bond as service members? No, not when guns make people kill their own parents, siblings, and spouses. As much as I care for my fellow Marines, I don’t care as much for them as my family. So what is it?

Could we be a different breed? Nope, I still bleed red (and have proven it). Is it a race thing? Nope, we have them all. Could it be where you come from? As I have said we come from everywhere. Maybe it is the supervision we get? Hate to let you all know, but we are often left to our own devices. In fact, it would be easier out here to get away with something. The only deterrent I can think of is that using a weapon on anyone out here risks them returning the favor?

So where is any justification for the paranoia that grips the GCN’s? I might be blind and missing something.
 
The fact that you haven't(or anyone around you) shot anyone could mean that most everyone that says "everyone will be shooting everyone" most likely for all intensive purposes, has probably never gone on their own volition to handle a gun.(If that makes any amount of sense)
 
I always say: "It took old vets to make new ones"

No need to thank me. I was raised by a vet, and trained by vets. Thank them.
 
Maybe as I see it at home or abroad most real gun owners ( not the media made ones ) never look at a gun as a resolution to a problem but a last resort to end a conflict. Like you said you guys have your fights but it never goes to far or that far at least.

Thanks for being out there and going above and beyond. Thank you and everyone with you for protecting people like me and my family.
 
I'd like to ad one small thing here... I HAVE had a fellow service member point his rifle at me, even stick it into my stomach to taunt me after I told him to watch his muzzle. His argument was that "it's not even loaded"(we were turning them into the armory)... well, a short fight ensued.. I won. He made threats and gave lots of dirty looks but never spoke directly to me again.

Um, my point here. Well, had the rifles been loaded I would have killed him in self defense, but that's not entirely relevant... people who think people need gun control, usually ave never so much as handled one, have not been properly educated on saftey and responsibility, and generally, in my opinion at least, are not the most intelligent people.

What I think keeps the peace amongst us military members, is that we have the subconcious knowledge that if we start something serious, it's going to get a lot uglier than we really want. The ones who WOULD do that, usually get picked up on pretty quick and are booted out after a psych-eval.

Amongst 'regular' people... well most people are not psychotic, and therefore have no desire to shoot someone except in defense of self or others.
 
Good point, there are good people and bad people. We usually only hear about the bad gun owners though. Guess it's like a Democrat that supports people having guns, they kinda suppress that sometimes. I know it's few and far between anyways.
 
That is a well thought out and reasoned argument. The GCN's will have no part of that. I'm going to save that post for later.

THANK YOU for your service! Stay safe!

Jeff
 
The OP makes a good point.

Here is another. You never see people shot at gun shows either.

Some of the prices though could be considered a crime.
 
AWESOME post!
Thank you for your service, and know that there are a lot of prayers going out for you, all your fellow Marines, and all of our finest men and women in every branch of our armed forces.
 
Just wondering why I'm not shot
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If even a little bit of what the anti-gun crowd says is true many of my generation would have been killed off long ago.

When I was young you could have a gun at any age.

You could buy ammunition, even at the corner grocery store, with no restrictions at all. The store owner would even sell you a couple shotgun shells or part of a box of rifle or pistol ammunition if you couldn't afford a full box (which I never could).

Guns were never locked away from the kids.
Heck some kids took their rifles to school and left them in the coat room so they could shoot on the way home.
The older kids had their rifles and shotguns hanging in their unlocked truck's back window, in the school parking lot.

You could buy guns, unrestricted, from magazine ads. The guns were delivered to your door by the mailman.
Heck you could buy a anti-tank gun. I thought that would be cool but no way could I afford the Dollar or so the ammunition cost.
My first two guns, a Beretta .25 Minx and a Webley 38 came from magazine ads. I was a teenager.

You could even buy guns from the Government. I bought a new 1911A1 ($17) and a new 03A3 and 03A4 ($14.50) from the Government (still have them:) ). Again they were delivered to my door by the mailman.


Now the strange thing is, even though most anyone, young or old, could easily get guns and many adults and kids had guns, I never heard of any "gun violence", NONE.

Of course there were the usual bank robbers and minor criminals but there was No such thing as school shootings, or kids "accidentally" shooting other kids, etc, that goes on today. (The kids settled their differences after school in the school yard "man to man". Then that was the end of it.)

Interesting that the more gun laws there are, the more gun problems there are.
 
You mean to say that you can carry a gun when you are in the "armed" forces???

Thank You very much for your service.

Isn't it just ludicrous that if you were stationed in the US on a base here, you would be unarmed?

(Thanks to the bright ideas of Mr Billy Clinton)
 
Sadly, while doing my own time in the service, going on Uncle Sam's Cool Summer Camp in SE Asia, I did see one platoon member die with the horseplay you talked about "it's not loaded." It was. One guy died, one guy ended up getting shipped out to the psych ward. It happens, but that little "conflict" had some really strange stuff going on on a hourly basis.

But, that point kind of defeats the anti's argument pretty well, doesn't it? As a old airborne grunt, I thank you for your sacrifice for our freedom brother!
 
How many ex-service Men and Women ( other than maybe, an office worker ) are 'anti gun'?


I do not think I have ever heard of one.


How many people of any walk of life, who are familiar with and have experience with, the responsible ownership, safe habits/handling, and, general use of a Firearm, are anti-gun?

I have never heard of one.


Every instance I have ever encountered, of an individual who is 'anti gun', the person knew nothing about firearms, other than, they had been told, 'Guns kill people'.


Emotionalized opinions which stem from ignorance and credulity and lack of experience and ability, are just that.

Which describes most of those people in 'politics', and 'media', and or other forms of popular dis-education, unfortunately.
 
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If even a little bit of what the anti-gun crowd says is true many of my generation would have been killed off long ago.

When I was young you could have a gun at any age.

You could buy ammunition, even at the corner grocery store, with no restrictions at all. The store owner would even sell you a couple shotgun shells or part of a box of rifle or pistol ammunition if you couldn't afford a full box (which I never could).

Guns were never locked away from the kids.
Heck some kids took their rifles to school and left them in the coat room so they could shoot on the way home.
The older kids had their rifles and shotguns hanging in their unlocked truck's back window, in the school parking lot.

You could buy guns, unrestricted, from magazine ads. The guns were delivered to your door by the mailman.
Heck you could buy a anti-tank gun. I thought that would be cool but no way could I afford the Dollar or so the ammunition cost.
My first two guns, a Beretta .25 Minx and a Webley 38 came from magazine ads. I was a teenager.

You could even buy guns from the Government. I bought a new 1911A1 ($17) and a new 03A3 and 03A4 ($14.50) from the Government (still have them:) ). Again they were delivered to my door by the mailman.


Now the strange thing is, even though most anyone, young or old, could easily get guns and many adults and kids had guns, I never heard of any "gun violence", NONE.

Of course there were the usual bank robbers and minor criminals but there was No such thing as school shootings, or kids "accidentally" shooting other kids, etc, that goes on today. (The kids settled their differences after school in the school yard "man to man". Then that was the end of it.)

Interesting that the more gun laws there are, the more gun problems there are.
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I remember less than two decades ago I could walk through my high school parking lot and see guns in about half the vehicles. No one died there either. Heck with a note from home I could take my bow on the bus turn it in get it back at the end of the day get on a different buss and get dropped off along side the road by my hunting spot. Try that now.

Certain things have changed that should never have. My daughters both have their guns in their rooms (one now 12 and the other 10 in a week or so). No one has died there either.

I just wish people would come to realize a weapon is no more dangerous than the user. If it is used properly, you will never have an issue with it.
 
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Thank you for your service! From a not so old vet, I remember growing up when we all had a .22 and fishing pole by age 10 to keep us out of mom and dad's hair on the weekend since chores only took an hour or so. It wasnt until I was half way through HS that things started to change in the 80s and I cant say they where for the better.

Semper Fi and keep your head down!
 
Why aren't you shot? I'm a firm believer in the old saying that an "armed society is a poilte society" and well, in South Dakota, its a fair assumption many you meet may be armed.
 
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"armed society is a poilte society".. I agree fully // GDCPONY- thanks for your service, I too was raised by a vet. The ability to put yourself in harm's way for your country is not to be overlooked by the general public. BE SAFE
 
Great post gdcpony.

Politicians are quite quick to jump on a popular argument and propose some sort of "regulation" in an effort to say they saved the people and create their legacy.
 
The ability to put yourself in harm's way for your country is not to be overlooked by the general public.
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In a perfect world, it would not be overlooked. But all too often that trait is overlooked. One grandfather fought in Korea, the other in Europe during WWII, both equaly deserving of recognition, but Korean vets often get overlooked. My dad, step-dad and father-in-law are all Viet Nam vets, and more often than not since they came home, they have been overlooked at best. Thankfully, times have changed enough, mostly I think in part to Afghanistan/ Iraq, and veterans of all conflicts are getting more recognition, but more importantly than that, more assistance.

I can relate with the OP when he said
No need to thank me. I was raised by a vet, and trained by vets. Thank them.
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As an aside, in response to this:
You never see people shot at gun shows either.
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People say there aren't mass shootings (or attempted mass shooting) where people are likely to be armed, i.e. gun shows, NRA meetings, police departments... but they do happen, as you can read here.

http://www.freep.com/article/201101...4-officers-shot-gunman-dead-horrifying-attack
 
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