Kahr K-9 or S&W Chief's Special?

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For a carry piece, which would you recommend, the K-9 or CS-9?

I'm a thin guy that doesn't like recoil. I've heard very good comments about the Kahr but nothing on a CS-9.

Is one more accurate than the other? I'd imagine they are both reliable.
 
A thin guy that doesnt like recoil.....Kahr or CS? Both in any caliber are gonna recoil fairly heavily...the K9/T9 will be the least.

Realistically..both guns are stellar the CS is a 3rd gen S&W s/auto..they run and run and run.
The grip never agreed with me...very short and thick...alot of people love them.
The K' series is still my favorite Kahr ( As it may become yours :D )
They are a heavy little gun given their dimensions...but that will take away recoil. The CS is an alloy frame..not helping the recoil issue out with lighter weight.
As far as a this gun is better for this reason...cant do it. The odds are either will do WAY more than its job if ever required..killer guns.
Go play with them, smell, taste...rent them if you can. The biggest thing for you in this case should be the way they fit your hand..and your preferred trigger style....DAO (Kahr) Trad d/a (CS)

BTW....recoil is strictly and ultimately a subjective thing...seriously.
A couple of the guys I shoot with on occasion are recoil shy....something about their fathers sneaking in a 357 load in the cylinder full of 38's or something :evil: But if you ask my son...now almost 65 lbs and 9 yoa...recoil is just a way your gun tells you its working just fine...his favorite gun was my K40 Custom....and he did shoot it often and well....alone. With proper supervision...of course.

Shoot well
 
For concealed carry, you need to consider the type of clothing you will be wearing, and the place you will be carrying (waist, pocket, arm-pit, ankle). Go to the gunshop and see how the guns conceal.

I started out carrying a Smith, on the waist, shirt out. But for warmer weather, I got a Kahr MK9, back pocket (palm to butt). Now, I always take the Kahr, regardless of the weather.

I also ride a motorcycle, and I am not comfortable with the pocket carry in that circumstance. I have a conceal vest from Coronado Leathers. The pistol rides under the armpit- can't fall out.

Another thing I like about the Kahr is the DAO. There are no levers to deal with, just the trigger. (The safety is internal)
 
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I suppose recoil is subjective, but the recoil on either of these pistols is going to be next to ZIP in my experience.

My wife is a very slim, not at all strong person who LOVES her MK9. She will shoot nothing else when we go to the range. My 10 year old son also shoots her MK9 and loves it, but won't shoot her Glock 19 because it "kicks too much". If my 10 year old boy can take it, you MOST CERTAINLY can.

I made the mistake of selling a perfectly good K40 because I was "boycotting" Kahr for some P9 and P40 issues I had. I also wanted a TDA and thought the CS40 would do the trick. I found one NIB for $389, but even after 30 minutes of handling, I couldn't get over the shorter grip. My fat fingers were squished together, middle finger rubbing uncomfortably on the bottom of the trigger guard, and the pinkie extension on the mag was right in the middle of my pinkie finger.

I ordered another Kahr. :rolleyes:

The K series Kahr is also my favorite CCW pistol. I would prefer TDA, but it fits my hand like a GLOVE, heavy enough to tame the recoil well, but with a good belt and holster, the weight is not a factor.

The Kahrs aren't REALLY as heavy as they feel. It's just that, for their size, at 24oz, they feel heavier than a similar weight HK USP Compact, simply because it's the same weight in less space.

Hold them both in your hands, and one will probably jump out at you as being more comfortable, since the grips are so different.

Forget about the recoil, it's just simply not there.
 
Both in any caliber are gonna recoil fairly heavily...the K9/T9 will be the least.
Huh? I've got 3 Kahrs - K9, MK9, and K40. The K9 has very, very little perceived recoil for me. The MK9 has a bit more, but not bad at all. The K40 is somewhat unpleasant.

But the K9 is a pussycat to shoot.
 
I like my Kahr K9 stainless.
About 3000 rounds and 0 jams.

The Kahr has a lower barrel axis then the S&W, and it's a much less complicated design. The Kahr has no external safeties to be concerned with.

The best feature of the Kahr is the trigger. It feels like a good S&W DA revolver trigger, and there is no DA to SA transition.
You get the same trigger action every time.

The S&W trigger design hasn't really changed since the 50's.
It still has the long take-up, mushy pull, and over travel.

I liked my S&W 3913, but the Kahr was smaller and fired the same caliber and quantity of ammo.

Bottom line is, the S&W was a "big gun" they've tried to make small, while the Kahr started out small. The S&W still has the "big gun" tall bore axis, and the unnecessary (for a small defense gun) DA/SA trigger mechanism.
 
Just another testimonial for the Kahr K9. It's got a comfortable grip, a great trigger, very good accuracy, and it's easy to shoot well.

The only problem I've ever had with it was because of what must have been out-of-spec reloads that got stuck in the chamber. I didn't have any problems with my other guns with these hand loads, but I heard that the tight chamber of the K9 contributed to its excellent accuracy.

I've never had any problem with factory loads and the recoil from Speer 124 gr. +P loads is very easy to handle.
 
I have owned both..still have my Kahr.

Actually, I rather liked the CS9. It fit my smallish hands well and mine at least was quite accurate. The CS9 can be fired single action which is a plus to some. My CS9 was totally reliable with every sort of ammo. Mags were expensive though. I even had nite sights installed on mine. Where it came up short was as a carry gun. It is blocky for it's length and I just never found it comfortable. My Kahr is equally reliable and carries much better so when the siren song of another gun deal requiring a trade in came along...bye bye CS9.

My local dealer had a used CS9 several weeks ago and I toyed with the idea of buying it before another 1911 distracted me.
 
How can you compare a S&W auto with a Kahr? A Kahr K9 is the top of the line best pistol ever and the S&W is a S&W.:rolleyes:

There would have to be a pretty big price gap for me to consider a S&W over a Kahr and then I would sell the S&W and buy the Kahr!
 
GET THE KAHR

There realy is no comparison. I would get the Kahr. You may even consider the MK9 it is smaller and still very shootable. I have the MK40 Elite 98 with night sights and it is both accurate and easy to shoot. It is also a great looking little autoloader.
 
If you like DAO, the Kahr's are decent little pistols. They seem to have worked out most of the early bugs, although some recent first-time purchasers have been relating what they feel to be quality control/cosmetic problems on some of the other forums. Simply based upon posted owner feedback, I suspect they're less prone to "voluntary upgrades", "precautionary upgrades", and "parts enhancement upgrades" than some other striker fired pistols only a little older ...

I only know a couple of people that own them, both carried for off duty purposes. One required some work by another armorer before it was reliable enough to complete a course of fire without malfunctioning in regard to feeding & chambering issues. I also suspect the smaller stature of the shooter, in the respect of grip strength & wrist stability, may also have contributed to the problem. Nice little 9mm, one of the blued versions ... heavy for its size & caliber, but nice.

The other one is a .40 S&W, don't remember the model, but the shooter wasn't satisfied with it for carry purposes until he'd received some stronger recoil springs to find the balance he preferred. Don't know what that means ...

I've owned a lot of S&W's, carried them for a while, and presently own a CS9. My CS9 is as accurate as my 3913, which means it'll allow me to shoot ordinary, narrow, wooden clothespins off the target boards fairly easily at 7-10 yards. I suspect the pistol is capable of much better accuracy, although I'm probably not up to it. The wide Novak Ghost Ring rear sight might make precision shooting more difficult than if I'd stayed with the standard 3-dot rear sight ... but I bought it for personal defense, not target shooting, and the faster sights are useful for that purpose. Later, I did experience a noticeable further increase of accuracy after the muzzle was crowned, and the chamber/barrel lead was "cleaned up", but it's still better than I am, unfortunately ...

The CS9 requires a short & chunky grip. The hammer spring is the shortest S&W uses at the moment, which lends itself to a heavier DA stroke than regular DAO afficionados often prefer. The short grip frame is covered by a thick Hogue grip, deliberately designed that way to help spread out and absorb the recoil of the 9mm in the little pistol. Lots of folks dislike the grip.

I'm still breaking mine in, as it's only had about 800+ rounds fired through it. No malfunctions. I've fired a broad range of 115gr, 147gr, 124gr+P, 115gr +P+ and 127gr +P+ through it. The higher pressure loads are a little bit sharper when it comes to perceived recoil, but only a little bit ... I also used both the standard 7-round magazines, and the 8-round 3913 magazines for spares on the range.

If you have the time, and inclination, to achieve reasonable skill at shooting a DA/SA pistol, and don't mind having a hammer which requires decocking, the CS9 is an excellent little pistol. If you want a pistol that's as simple to operate as a revolver, and which requires less manual of arms training for operation than a DA/SA pistol, the Kahr might be your choice.

Oh yeah ... S&W does have a lifetime warranty, and their Customer Service is widely regarded as among the best, if not the best, in the field ... regardless of how you view the "politics" of the previous owners & management ... if that subject arises.

I'm more interested in the products than the politics. If I was concerned about the politics of the various firearms manufacturers, and that of their countries of origin ... I probably wouldn't be able to buy any new firearms. :what:

Rent both and fire at least 100 rounds of QUALITY factory ammunition through each of them ... not reloads. Eliminate any ammunition variables ...

You'll probably have a favorite ... :D
 
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