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Kaido's Bullet In A Pietta '58

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by rodwha, Feb 2, 2014.

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  1. rodwha

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    I've seen it mentioned that bullets/conicals don't load well in a Pietta '58. I just so happen to have some 240 grn Kaido bullets designed for repros.

    Here's my video showing how the bullet will need to be canted to work around the edge of the frame.

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    I'm thinking about working on this edge just so that I don't need to finagle the bullets.

    Here's the OAL:

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  2. swathdiver

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    Use a cylinder stand to load and one won't have a problem shooting them at the range or while hunting (cause your one shot was accurate and put the beast down).
     
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    A member here made me a nice folding loading stand for my ROA. The upright doesn't fit my new NMA so I'll be going down the street to a retired military fellow who enjoys woodworking, and will make me an upright that I can swap out.

    I have a bunch of speed loader tubes to use at the range, and intend on buying another cylinder for hunting excursions.

    I'm also considering smoothing that edge so that it's not so prominent.
     
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    What do you use the "speed loader tubes" for? What are they?
     
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    Got any pictures of your range setup? with the tubes and stuff?
     
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    No. I've yet to get out to the range still, though I do have tubes loaded and ready to go!

    Here's a pic of that:

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    The first 3 rows ar 25 grns of 3F Olde E, the 2nd set are 30 grn, the 3rd set are 35 grns. and the last few are 40 grns.

    I'm not sure why most of my pics turn out upside down...
     
  8. 351 WINCHESTER

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    How do you keep the powder from spilling out of the bottom?
     
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    They have a bottom. It's only open on one end. They are a soft, flexible, and reusable rubber.
     
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    I think they are also nice when someone who's somewhat interested goes with you. Of the 3 people who have gone with me 2 of them were put off by how it takes to reload.

    I also have the longer tubes for my .50 cal rifle.

    Dixie hasn't restocked them in a VERY long time. Bower found the source, and so I went there.
     
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    I have to ask - Bower what? I googled it and was not able to find anything.
     
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    Interesting. I use a flask 99% of the time and paper cartridges for the rest.

    Me thinks it would take just as long to unseat that ball then for me to throw a charge down a chamber.
     
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    Bower is a fellow here. He, too, was looking for them at Dixie, who hasn't restocked them for a loooong time. He found the source for them, which is Winchester Sutler in VA.

    I've yet to use these tubes, and prior had been either using a flask and measure, as well as paper cartridges, which was fun, but these seem quick enough, and if you'd possibly want to weigh your charges for better consistency than I see it being more beneficial. I'm not that anal though.

    Squeezing the tube should pop the ball out and allow an easy pour of the powder followed by the ball and rammed. I can't see it being easier to use a flask, but I've never used the flask as I've seen some do in videos. Doing it that way seems to allow for more variance from charge to charge. I am that anal about it. I do like to be as consistent as I can without getting too wound up about it.
     
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    We measure by volume and using the same pressure on your finger over the spout (same amount of skin displacing powder) you can get consistent results. I do shoot for accuracy and this works.

    I'm suggesting to you Rodwha that you're thinking about this stuff too much and not doing it enough; making things far more complex than necessary.

    The time to use a measure is when working up loads; once done, a properly sized spout is all ya need to replicate it. Or you can run different spouts and shoot with the one that suits your fancy; we do that too and leave the measure at home.
     
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    I'm certainly not doing it enough! It's been a while since I've been to the range. I usually go once or twice a month, but I've wanted to ask if I could just pitch my tent off to the side and stay there!

    I certainly don't care enough to weigh out the charges. For me it's about getting plenty of practice in. My first range trip with my new rifle, along with my pistol, was 6 hours long and I only shot about 50 shots through them both.

    When I made paper cartridges I was able to shoot that many in maybe an hour (pistol). And that's a big deal to me as I've often been going to the range with a neighbor, and I doubt he'd want to spend all day there as I'm willing to do.

    Having premeasured charges that can be carried afield is nice too. Less stuff to carry and concern myself with.

    And trying to hold someone's attention is easier when it's quicker. Not many are willing to shoot just 6 shots in 10 minutes. I don't mind so much, but not many are so patient.
     
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    I have no problem anymore with shooting 30-60 rounds during a range session over a couple of hours or more. Old school pistol shooters don't recommend shooting much more than that anyway and it holds true with me when practicing and not plinking.

    My BP buddies and I laugh when the pop gun shooters show up, blast away a box or two of ammo at paper 5 yards out and leave in 15 minutes!
     
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    Yea…I see several of them at the range each time. It's funny how their 7 yd targets have holes ALL over it.

    What's even funnier is when they have the laser on theirs and at 7 yds it still has holes ALL over it!

    But at least they are trying I suppose...
     
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    LOL! So true! You'd think they hit that paper with an eight gauge shotgun or something! LOL!!!
     
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