Keeping a Shockwave/Tac-14/SBR in a vehicle

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  1. Kevinq6

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    I just bought a Shockwave to use as a truck gun and am thinking about where to store it as well as how/where to hide it when I park and leave the vehicle.

    Having it slightly visible when driving seems okay to me since people would have to approach you, but if you stopped and parked and went into a store you would obviously not want it visible.

    Those of you who do have a truck gun, where do you store them when driving and when you leave the vehicle?
     
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    My "truck" guns are Glocks. They ride in the console, not visible when driving or parked.

    Just a thought. I bought a 20 gauge Shockwave when they were on sale at my LGS for $199.99. Despite its handiness as a truck gun, I decided against it. I don't want to argue legality on the roadside with an officer who isn't up to speed on "not a shotgun." YMMV.
     
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    I would never leave any firearm that won't fit inside a secure, locked container in a vehicle.

    No, your center console is not secure.
     
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    I used to use an electric police cruiser rack for my old Mossberg back in the 90's. That worked OK, but you still had to make shore it didn't shake loose. Picked that up at a local police supply.

    I also used a Big Sky overhead rack, which also worked very well. So well in fact, I had people get in the truck and sat in the seat and never noticed the rack, or the AR and shotgun in it. It didn't come with a lock, but one of the cable locks would work. For a little while anyway.
     
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    Any visible gun may be in violation of State law, ymmv. In MO, long arms have to be unloaded with ammo separate, in a case out of reach, for example. That was passed long ago thru the excuse that it would stop road hunters whipping out a loaded deer rifle to take shots across an open road at game.

    Now, who would do that? Well, it was happening, in MO, with arrests of locals who weren't always hunting during season, and the MDC was using a remote control Bambi as bait.

    Another issue is that vehicles that may appear "gun-ish" are targeted for theft, glass is broken, which isn't cheap, guns stolen. The primary source of stolen firearms in major metros is theft, and the biggest growing category is from trucks and cars. As we improve difficulty in getting into vehicles, and securing items like stereos, thieves have moved to personal electronics, sporting goods, and guns for quick sale. And there are more thieves as drug use grows.

    Under CCW laws in some states, exposed firearms are considered not being concealed. Ooops - open display may fall under some kind of brandishing interpretation, and definitely "not concealed" means "illegal" under their view. Closely examine your states CCW provisions, check their FAQ's, and see what you can and cannot do. That can even be different 10 miles outside a metro in rural parts where inside the ring it's a different anti gun application. And when you cross from one to the other? Good luck defining that, they don't paint color coded stripes on the road. We are lucky to even get a sign near a school, and that is a whole nuther set of rules.

    Then there is the issue of does your state include parking, or not? Take an example, MO at one time was NO CCW on church property (and who gave the state any authority over the church? but moving on) yet TN policy says it's up to the church, leave us out of it. Read their signs or policy. An interesting wrinkle in that is that despite MO state law, churches still allowed CCW, had armed ushers, and my LEO CCW course instructors spoke on how they carried in church during the service. Their implicit statement was "ignore the law." OK, you leave the gun in the vehicle during service, but, still on the property, your car is damaged in an high speed chase thru the grounds and it falls out of the door pocket visible to the officers on the scene. Bingo.

    Now we get into officer discretion. Good luck as it's a roulette wheel of dozens of policies, statutes and what constitutes a "reasonable" perspective.

    For the most part, gun ON the individual is much safer than rusted gun sliding around in a locked case with ammo corroded in the chamber. A motor vehicle is a 4500 pound chunk of metal with poor seals - its not a submarine - and humidity can and will enter the interior, temperature changes occur twice daily, a cold gun sitting in a saune of hot wet air will condense moisture on all the surfaces on it, 3D, every one. It should be treated as a marine grade environment. Guns rust in vehicles and need triple the maintenance of one carried. Even with that, they speckle, lose finish, internally corrode, ammo deteriorates (temps to 145F are common in the summer.)

    Plus it's another $450 up of diverted money taken from discretionary money and with inflation ramping up severely - gas last year was $1 and change, this year some areas are already seeing $3 and metros are quickly closing on $5. If you have to drive to work a lot, you may need that $450 for future fuel increases. Or, worse, you are fired for not complying with new company policies that hundreds of corporations and tens of thousands of businesses are considering between now and Nov 1.

    What is nice, is that it's up to the individual. I just carry in the car when I need to, same guns nothing special or dedicated and no risk of theft unattended. I only put my AR15 pistol in it - unloaded cased - when hunting during alternative methods season. Doesn't mean I won't carry a 9mm in a shoulder holster, too, which I can do at any time. Having had numerous things stolen out of vehicles over the years repeatedly, I won't leave even more desireable and legally difficult things in a car unattended. Tools, knives, insurance papers, change from the ash tray, whatever, a neighbor kid sneaking around after dark on a scavenger hunt is a resourceful thief, and I'm not giving them loaded guns on top of the reefer they inhaled to work up their courage.

    I live in what is considered a "good" suburban area. It was much worse in the last one - wheels batteries drunk drivers hitting multiple cars theft rampant. It was relatively better there than the "bad" ones a few blocks away. I upgraded from weekly to yearly, is all.
     
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    Not sure were you got the information on Missouri long gun laws. Loaded and visable is just fine by Missouri's STATE law. Real common in my part of the state. Nothing in game regulations prohibiting loaded in car either. It IS against the law to shoot from a road right of way, though.
     
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    For work, I have a lil white folding table to put tools on and for the last couple years I've been using my CRV as a work rig, good mileage, fits all my tools, etc.... anyway if I bring a long gun with me I have the table leaning across the back seat along with my 4ft ladder and I just stuff the rifle case behind the pop up table. It hides it completely and I don't think anybody would look twice back there.....
     
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    You are prudent to bring up the law since it would be different in many jurisdictions. Regarding the legality of the Shockwave I do have a letter from the ATF that came with my gun, so I should be okay interacting with any police about it. I'm a lot more concerned about theft.

    I do like the idea of storing it overhead. It seems like it would work most of the time. I have a job box in back but the lock can be picked given time and I want something people won't see me hiding when I park.

    I do carry a pistol on my person most of the time. There are advantages to having a concealed pistol on you. For example if you do need to exit the vehicle you have a pistol but you are not brandishing it. It's also a lot easier to access a pistol you are wearing than one in the console.
     
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    I keep a stainless Colt Defender .45 acp in my glovebox,
    and a Mossberg 12 gauge (7 +1) with a "Bird's Head"
    grip and (attached) 14 round bandolier shoulder strap in
    my trunk, in a hard case.
     
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    As any man should :D
     
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    My guns only go into the truck when I get in and they come out when I get out. When I was young and dumb I had at least 5 vehicles broken into (I grew up in St. Louis). Guns and auto glass are expensive. I don't leave anything in the truck today. As far as locking them up in a container goes - the majority of locks are so easy to pick a 5th grader can do it. I learned how to pick locks 30 years ago and I carry picks in my wallet. There are lots of guys like me out there. Locks are like gun control laws - they make some people "feel safer". If you leave a gun in a vehicle it is not safe from theft - it is usually just a matter of time before they are taken.
     
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    back when I had a truck, my truck gun was a Mosin Nagant M44 that lived under the seat of my full-size Bronco with a padlocked steel cable through the trigger guard. It wasn't something I was ever going to get to quickly which was kind of the point. I wanted something cheap that I didn't mind losing (remember when Mosins were $80 lol) if the truck was stolen or a copfiscation occurred.
    It was there in case I was out and needed to put down an animal or just felt like stopping in the desert and doing some plinking (remember when 54R was $80/case lol)
     
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    Check Texas' hunting laws, you may find that shotguns must be cased and/or unloaded, and even though technically Shockwaves are not shotguns, Officer Bubba Q. Bubba in <insert Texas town name here> may not know that, or give a dang. Food for thought.

    This is why I got an AR pistol, but kept it out of plain view last summer, when I had it in the truck due to the stated intent of the ANTIFA/BLM rioters to bring the riots to WI on I-94. As a CCW holder in WI, I could keep it loaded, just like my sidearm.
     
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    I don't even like leaving my phone charger in my car. It is one of those nice ones that holds the phone and wireless charges. Cost me $20 on sale. I am definitely not leaving a firearm in a car for long periods if it can be avoided.
     
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    Texas has no restrictions on the carrying of long guns in vehicles. Hunting laws included. Shotguns are not required to be in a case or scabbard.

    For the past three years Texas no longer classifies the Mossberg Shockwave and the Remington TAC 14 as a short barreled firearm. The Texas Commission on Law Enforcement requires all Regional Law Enforcement Academies include this information in all pre service academy and in service curriculum.

    The vast majority of Texas LEO’s know that the Shockwave is completely legal and exempt from section 46.05 of the Texas Penal Code. If they aren’t aware somebody they work with will.
     
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    It is also important to keep in mind that what is legal and what you can get away with are not necessarily the same thing.
     
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    Never had much use for one.....shot a pistol grip mossberg years ago.....I'm not a big guy, lots of horse power, hard for me to recover for fast follow up shots.....truck guns are a 1911 and winchester 1200 under or behind the back seat......I use I bolts and cable locks for security but rarely leave the vehicle unattended unless in a very secure location!
    The 1911 is the officers model and is usually with me......
     
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    In addition to this as I understand a shockwave when concealed becomes a destructive device, and in many states (including mine) any gun in a vehicle is considered concealed. So a shockwave in a vehicle is apparently a destructive device. I’ve often wondered how we are supposed to get it home.
     
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    I kept a po boy shockwave (maverick 88 with shockwave grip) under the seat in the truck on a trip and took it down with m left at the Airbnb, I dont leave any guns inside the vehicle however that aren't in the building I'm staying in or on my person
     
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    Reminds me of a time after I got my first carry license (an actual CCW rather than the current CHPs; "permission is hereby granted him to carry a concealed weapon") in '75.

    A couple of the guys at 2nd Precinct (VaBch) suggested that I get a sawed-off and keep it under a blanket in the back seat. ;)
     
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    My pops kept a single shot sawed off in his cruiser. As a last resort type deal back in the 80s.
     
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    I want my truck gun to be a little more practical and have more range.
     
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    Mentioned to a friend of mine that I was keeping my 870 as a truck gun. He pointed out the fact that - most things around here, that need shooting, are much further away than where that shotgun will hit.

    He has a good point.
     
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    Each state has it’s own laws regrading weapons carried in a vehicle. It’s best to brush up on the ones for the state you live in and that ones you travel to.
    Here in Louisiana, you vehicle is considered an extension of your home. You can carry a gun in your vehicle just as you would in your home. Now when you go to state parks or Wildlife Management areas, the rules change.
    The last to years, before I retired, I would go to roll call at each police district of my department to teach a class to officers on basic gun identification. This was due to the higher rate that officers were coming into contact with AR 15s, AR pistols and the new shockwave type of guns. I would bring an assortment of guns, revolvers, pistols, ARs and a TAC-14. I also covered when officers could and couldn’t take guns from someone. If an officer takes a gun without the right to do so, he leaves the department open to a lawsuit for violating a person’s rights. Yes, officers do make mistakes.
    I’m not sure about other states, but here, we’re very gun friendly.
    Carrying a Shockwave type firearm in a vehicle should be looked at like carrying a shotgun or rifle in regards to storing it and keeping it safe. They are just not as easy as dealing with a handgun. They make kits that fit under or behind the seats of trucks.
     
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    I had an 'ol local fur trapper who came around now and then, John. I asked him once why he didn't just call me with his question. Said he didn't have a phone. When I asked why not, he said his wife left him a long time ago cause he didn't make enough money and he was afraid she might call wanting to come back.
    I'll bet if he was given the challenge, he could probably trap a Unicorn. Very practical guy. Been there and certainly has done it. When he would ask a question, he always told me, get to the point, He said he once asked a fella what time it was and the guy proceeded to tell him how to make a watch. Said he damn near shot that bass turd ! ;)
     
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