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Knife used by US special forces

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by psyCel, Jan 14, 2007.

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  1. psyCel

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    What kind of knife do special forces use in US? I mean kind of knife what you will see in "The Hunted (2003)". What is the best knife for that kind of training?

    Do they use different knife for killing and different for another purpouse?
     
  2. JShirley

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    There is no single "special forces knife". There is a knife used in SERE training, but I'm at a camp filled with SF troops right now, and I don't see it in evidence. :rolleyes:

    Welcome to THR.

    The Hunted does have a knife based on a real knife, but usage in the movie is utter poppycock.

    Killing with a knife by the military is something most often seen in movies.

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  3. LanEvo`

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    I'd be willing to bet the vast majority still use the good old Camillus Marine Combat Knife/Ka-Bar USMC. Maybe someone with first-hand knowledge will chip in.


    Ummm...they have guns for that! I imagine their knives are primarily utility items. In fact, I suspect a Leatherman (or similar multi-tool) probably sees far more use than their fixed-blade knives.

    Emre
     
  4. SniperStraz

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    I've heard that the rule is: "To each unit their own"
    That being said, I've heard of a few being used.

    Camilus Marine Combat Knife
    Ka-Bar Marine Combat Knife
    Ka-Bar D2
    AlMar SERE
    Cold Steel OSS
    Boker Applegate Fairbairn
    Buck Nighthawk

    Just to name a few.
     
  5. JShirley

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    As I said, I'm at an SF camp right now.

    The only common factor I've seen in knives here is that everyone seems to have a good folder. Most of 'em don't even seem to carry a fixed blade.

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    Is there a prominent folder?
     
  7. JShirley

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    "They don't like it when we ask them questions."

    Look like mostly Benchmades, though.
     
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    when you graduate from q course after the robin sage everyone is issued a green beret and a chris reeves fixed blade knife called "The Yarborough" knife. like the one in the link below.

    edit here is the link:http://www.chrisreeve.com/greenberet.htm

    knives i have used in combat:
    gerber multi tool
    gerber multi demo kit tool
    Seal pup
    Ka-bar big and small. both with serreated blades.
     
  9. psyCel

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    I am a foreigner, from Russia, and my english aint so great. I just got interested when I saw that movie (The Hunted). I dont train or do anything like that.

    Nice to see that the welcoming was so kind here and alot of answer in short period of time. And it seems to me that you people really now what you are talking about.

    What would be your choice for that kind of use what you see in that movie? Because I was going to order somekind of knife so I could play around and probably hurt my self. :D (only one because i cant decide by my self)

    I know that SF knifes are and need to be well rounded or how will you say it. But I am looking just that kind of knife what is best for that kind of use what you will see in that movie.

    And thanks for the answers!

    Edit: What kind of knife do you prefer? I mean this kind: http://www.knivesplus.com/KA-1281-KABAR.HTML or this http://www.knivesplus.com/KA-1461-KABAR.HTML or what?
     
  10. hso

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    psyCel,

    Welcome to THR!

    Do you want something to use in the forrest in Russia or do you want something out of a movie? You'll find that the traditional knives you see an old country uncle in your country would use is probably well suited to the environment. On the other hand, you'll find plenty of folks here with differing opinions of what is good for forrest survival/utility. Everything from high tech fixed blades to old style carbon steel butcher knives to slip joint folders and back to high tech folders. The best thing is to get a good simple knife and learn to use it.
     
  11. psyCel

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    Thanks!

    Nonono.. I am not looking a knife to use in a forrest, I am looking that kind of knife what they use for the purpose what was in the movie.

    It would come just for my room and it would be just a toy for me, but I want it to be top quality and really designed to be used for that kind of reason what was in the movie, for killing. I have a knife for hunting, but this would be most of the time in my table, for decoration.

    I want to emphasise that the knife would come just for fooling around and playing and ofcourse it would be nice decoration. But it must be top notch and "real".
     
  12. JShirley

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    Then, with all due respect, if you want a "real" knife, don't choose one whose chief claim to faim is that it was the star of a really bad movie.

    Here's a "real" knife that will cost less than half of this overpriced monstrosity.

    J
     
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    Its not the tool its the user. That said check out www.sayoc.com
     
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    The "tracker" knife is based on a knife called the "Wilderness Survival Knife" or WSK. It was made originally by Dave Beck I think - there's more info over at bladeforums.com. The originals cost a mint now, but several people are making variants of the design. (The TOPS models apparently have edges that are far too obtuse, making them durable suckers but not particularly good cutters).

    Anyhow - I have a similar one, made by a gentleman out of Texas -
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    His website is:
    http://www.mtknives.com/wsk.html


    As a general purpose woods knife, I really like it. More info here.

    As a weapon.. I think it'd suck. It's fairly blade-heavy, the handle contouring doesn't lend itself to defensive holds.. don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want someone trying to cut on me with one, but a plain ol' Ka bar or suchlike would make a much better weapon. But then, so would a rifle. :)

    Looks scary though. Which is what moviemakers like.
     

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    http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showforum.php?fid/130/

    Kizlyar is in your back yard and they have a wide range of knives that they are bringing into the U.S. and E.U. I've handled several and have been favoriably impressed. You should be able to find a good fancy fighting knife at a much better price than one of American manufacture.
     
  16. Doc Rogers

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    I just returned from a tour in Afghan with the SF and everyone I knew carried the Benchmade knives. Of course, they were issued to everyone also. Many soldiers had their own knives that they also carried that they had personally purchaed and these were many different types. But all were issued the bemchmades.
     
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    I think most people do, is what I generally did and that was to pick up what ever cheapo blade they can until they get to handle a 'proper' well-made, well thought-out knife, then the penny drops and the quaility steels start coming out to play:)

    You also have to figure out whether it's going to be an regular 'user' or a 'shelf queen'. There are some cracking high end knives on my wish list but with the money that some of them change hands at I've decided to buy another house instead:D

    The lower end of the wish list, Benchmade's, Kershaw's, Emerson's, (Some) Spydercos and Cold Steel's, Boker, MOD etc are all slowly turning up in the mail;)
     
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    Not necesarily about US Special Forces, but British. I recall from Andy McNab's memoir of his Gulf War service (Bravo Two Zero) that he (and his men) carried the Fairburn-Sykes daggers for taking down sentries, silently. He also wrote that he carried an SAK (didn't specify which model). In his autobigrophy, he wrote about carrying a machete in the jungle for cutting vegetation, and there have been pictures of him with Kukri's and the standard British field knife as well.
     
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  19. CWL

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    Welcome psyCel,

    As you are in Russia, I'd like to know what kind of knives the Russian Spetsnaz carry. From what little I know, the Russian special forces do more hand-to-hand training than their American counterparts.

    I have spent some time speaking to a 12-year SEAL and his philosophy is to never have to get close enough to an enemy to have to use a knife. They prefer to remove sentries/enemies with suppressed firearms.
     
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    This is my first post here. I am impressed by how nice everyone is to someone with a newbie question like this. We all started off with being curious.
    I did some reading about Spetznaz and they did not have very good knives.
    I would guess that the AK bayonet and of course the spetznaz shovel.
    A friend of mine from the canadian army trained with some spetznaz guys and got a real shovel from them in trade and he said it is not as well made as the cold steel version(I have one and love it). He said they were WAY more interested in things like snivel kit, electric socks, polylong underwear etc.
    It makes sence when you think about it. They were not nearly as interested in cool soviet weapons as power bars and warm clothes. The Izhmash site has tons
    of cool stuff.

    There are 3 kinds of knives used by the military. 1 folders and multitools.
    2 Fixed blades purely for killing like the SF dagger and 3 fixed blades that are both a tool and a weapon like the classic K Bar. There is not much call for the
    number 2 simply because modern army's don't use knives very often,
    Bayonets are making a comeback in specialized roles like prisoner transport
    and for keeping civilians at a safe distance. I carry a multitool and a smaller fixed blade here in canada and imagine I would do the same in combat.
    I prefer a smaller knife than a big K Bar like a Seal Pup or the knife I just bought last week the Scrapyard Streetscrapper 4 INFI.

    The Green Beret knife by Chris Reeve is a nice knife but not great for actual use. Uncomfortable handle design with lots of sharp edges make it much better for it's actual purpose a beautiful display piece and badge of office like the presentation bowies the US army has always given out for occasions like this. Considering how hard the guys had to work for that knife I really doubt
    they would risk damaging or losing it in combat.
     
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    Welcome to THR Max!
     
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    I really dont know anything about the russian special forces, what kind of knife they use and etc. In here you really dont want to talk to them..

    Just ordered couple of knifes:

    - Ka-Bar Black Fighter: Dantes Price: $71.95
    - SOG Fusion Throwing Knives, Set of 3 $35.50

    Dont know if they are any good, but I am not the who pays it. :)
     
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    +1 for any Becker.
     
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    Welcome, Max.

    You, too, Doc.
     
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