Kobra vs. Vortex Sparc red dot sights

Which would you have?

  • Kobra

    Votes: 15 50.0%
  • Sparc

    Votes: 15 50.0%

  • Total voters
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Here is a picture of my Kobra:
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I feel they add to the authenticity of the rifle. I recently shot this sub minute of angle 200 meter group with my Saiga 308 mounted Kobra (Hornady Custom 150 gr. SST).
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I don't see how any other non magnified red dot could be better, especially if sitting on top of a tube with a steel piston clattering away underneath.
 
My bro had a Weaver mount version and was considering mounting on his SAW when he was deployed, but it did the same thing yours (power selector broke off).
Yes, the Weaver mount version and my version are the same unit, merely attached to different bases. I believe it is a design flaw in the Gen-2.

My AA version has been solid. My only real performance related complaint is that, for whatever reason, I ran out of windage adjustment before I was ever able to get it fully dialed in. I don't know if the mounting rail on the rifle was installed improperly, if the receiver is torqued, or what. I can still put them in a softball sized group easily, the group is just 3 MOA to the right...
Hmmm. Are you saying you ran out of click adjustment, or that you ran out of the (underlying) coarse adjustment?

Out of the box, mine wouldn't adjust far enough to zero, either. But there is a ton of leeway purposely built into the coarse-adjust mechanism that underlies the fine adjustment, at least on the Gen-2 (and I think on the Gen-1 as well). The adjustment stop on the click adjuster isn't the limit of accomodation, it is just the limit on the range of accomodation without using the spanner wrench.

http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/kobrazer.html
 
Ya know, I never understood this whole fascination of your optic MUST co-witness or its useless. When I shoot with optics, I aim through the optic, not through my irons and the optic; doing the latter seems like it defeats the entire purpose of the optics,. You might as well save yourself some money, and just stick with iron sights. So what that a Kobra doesn't co-witness? If I want to shoot irons, I shoot irons, if I want to use optics, I use optics. If my side-mounted optic on an AK craps out for some unknown reason, I use the throw lever to discard it in under 2 seconds flat, and use my irons.

With an Aimpoint/EOTech without a QD-throw lever mount, yeah, I can see it being important, in case that optic dies and its going to take some time to remove it. Any natively mounted AK optic can be removed in under 3 seconds with familiarization.

As for fixing the Kobra on your own...unlike western optics its fairly user-repair friendly by the looks. Everything is mounted with slotted screws and can be removed and user-maintained. The aforementioned power-switch issue can be fixed by regularly removing that piece and oiling it to keep it from binding. There was a thread about this earlier.
 
Out of the box, mine wouldn't adjust far enough to zero, either. But there is a ton of leeway purposely built into the coarse-adjust mechanism that underlies the fine adjustment, at least on the Gen-2 (and I think on the Gen-1 as well). The adjustment stop on the click adjuster isn't the limit of accomodation, it is just the limit on the range of accomodation without using the spanner wrench.

http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/kobrazer.html

Hmm, thanks for that. I didn't know that was an option. The manual that came with mine was in Russian. Now I'll have to see if I can find the rest of the stuff that came with it and locate that tool. If I can't, is there a place where I can buy a replacement, or a suitable substitute?

Ya know, I never understood this whole fascination of your optic MUST co-witness or its useless.

I never said an optic was useless if it didn't cowitness. For me, that big deal with it cowitnessing is cheek weld. If an optic sits low enough to cowitness with irons, you know that a) you have a decent cheek weld and b) it's the same regardless of whether you're shooting irons or optics. QD bases exist for all of the optics being discussed, not just including the Kobra, so that isn't the issue for me. The Kobra isn't bad and like I said, it is lower than other sidemount options I've tried in the past, but it still sits a little higher than I'd like for a good, consistent cheek weld, and I even have an adjustable M4 style stock on mine.
 
Hmm, thanks for that. I didn't know that was an option. The manual that came with mine was in Russian. Now I'll have to see if I can find the rest of the stuff that came with it and locate that tool. If I can't, is there a place where I can buy a replacement, or a suitable substitute?
You could probably take a file to the middle of a wide common screwdriver blade, or maybe take an old fork and cut off the two outermost prongs to leave the two inner prongs, or something. What you need is something to fit the two indentations in the ringlike screw (NOT the center screw, but the annular screw that surrounds it)---what is called the "spanner screw" in the pic below---while not touching either the center screw or the adjustment knob itself.

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As I recall, you back that out a turn or two (WITHOUT touching the center screw) and this allows the knob to pop up a millimeter or two; you then zero by turning the center screw, and once it's zeroed or close to it, you orient the knob until zero is next to the witness mark, pop it back down, and re-tighten the spanner screw. Definitely get some translated instructions though!

If I have time, I'll dig out my tool and scan it :) so that you can have something of a pattern to make a substitute if need be. It came in one of the pockets of the carrying case, with mine.

Ya know, I never understood this whole fascination of your optic MUST co-witness or its useless. When I shoot with optics, I aim through the optic, not through my irons and the optic; doing the latter seems like it defeats the entire purpose of the optics,. You might as well save yourself some money, and just stick with iron sights. So what that a Kobra doesn't co-witness? If I want to shoot irons, I shoot irons, if I want to use optics, I use optics. If my side-mounted optic on an AK craps out for some unknown reason, I use the throw lever to discard it in under 2 seconds flat, and use my irons.
One really nice thing about a cowitnessed optic is that it's trivially easy to verify zero in the field after the optic has taken a hard knock or the rifle hasn't been shot in a while; just turn the optic on low, rest the rifle on something, take a fine sight picture through the irons, and make sure the dot sits exactly on the tip of the front sight post.

I agree that a higher-mounted optic is very usable---I run a Kobra on my SAR-1, and shot USPSA with it for a while (the Kobra rocked) until switching to an AR---but if you have the option, a cowitness is nice.

My favorite thing about the Kobra is the selectable reticles. When shooting USPSA, I'd use the T-bar reticle since so much of our shooting was in the 5 to 25 yard range. In close, if you put the bottom part of the T on the target, you'll hit it; that helps immensely with the offset due to the tall height over bore. For longer range stages, I'd switch to the dot-chevron and use the chevron in close and the dot further out.
 
I've searched for some kobra optics online, and am having a hard time finding them. What websites can I get them at?
 
i just recently purchased a sparc for my mak90. i installed the midwest industries picatinny railed handguards and mounted the sparc using the lowest mount. you can figure on buying a quick release t1 mount, so add that on to the cost of the sparc. there is no co-witness using this set up. if you have an optics failure, you will need to get the sight off the gun, without the quick release, it will be a pain. i got the midwest over the ultimak so i could mount a forward grip. i think either way would be good. i have heard bad things about kalinka and good things about vortex (customer service that is). and you can mount the sparc to the ar15. quality control on the sparc is excellent. acog is next for the sig556.
 
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