KY LEO Traffic stop w/ CCDW Lic.

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I live 90 miles away from home during the week while working. I was really missing my wife and kids..... Went AWOL from work 2 hours early Friday and started barrelling towards home on I-75 north. Rounded curve in construction zone and boom.... In the grass median a Ky Motor Vehicle Enforcement Officer (DOT).... Oh crap ..... Clocked @ 79mph in a 55mph double fine construction zone.
The LEO walked up to the window and introduced himself and politely asked where the fire was. I thought to myself 'Let The Fun Begin' and explained the situation w/ my family and work and handed him all my info incl. my CCDW license. Upon seeing this he asked if I had a weapon w/ me. I replied yes, in the seat by my right hip and it's cocked and locked. This is what sorta confused me.....
He asked me if it was holstered.... Yes, sir it is....Please hand it to me by the holster....I did.. He said I'll hang on to this while I conduct my business and I'll get you right back on the road....
At this time I had a funny feeling in my gut and was honestly more uncomfortable w/ him having posession of my H&K USPc .40 than I was about to get a doosey of a speeding ticket....
He went back to his car and ran my info and found out that I've been a good boy most my life. He came back to my truck and get this.... Gave me a warning :D and pointed out that he liked my Hi Point .40.... I laughingly said you better put my H&K back in it's holster.... He laughed and said he was a gunnut and knew exactly what an H&K was and thought he may get a rise out of me....It worked.... :fire:

I never thought it would've ended up like that.... I shook his hand and he told me to be careful cause there was alot of "crazies" out there.....

Has anyone else ever had this happen to them? Or felt like this when someone else had possesion of their sidearm?
 
When I was a cop here in TX I never took a CHL holder's weapon away during a traffic stop. I also never wrote them a ticket. I just BS'd with them about guns and told them to have a nice day.
I have known officers who handled it like this trooper did so you just never know how it's going to go when you get stopped. Everyone is different.
 
If it had been in a shoulder rig, ankle rig or s.o.b. rig I think by his dimeanor that he probably wouldn't have took it. I guess the way he looked @ it that if I let him know up front that I was packing that I was a law abiding citizen.
FWIW He actually paused when I told him about my H&K and I believe he wasn't going to take it and decided to just in case after thinking. That would be a scary profession for the $$$$ the LEO's make. I have the utmost respect for those guys and gals..... I just didn't care for a stranger holding my baby...:D
 
Wish the same thing had happened to me. Was stopped asked for license, insurance, handed him my CHL with the other documents. He asked me if I had a weapon, I told him no (I did not I was on my way to work), he went back ran everything and came back with my ticket. Oh well, I deserved the ticket, so I guess I can't complain.

Glad it worked out for you, remember to try and keep it easy in construction zones Texas DPS LOVES to write tickets to everyone in those zones.

-Rob
 
--Ky Motor Vehicle Enforcement Officer--

The local police and sheriffs depts in this area hate with a passion to see these guys come to town. Ky Motor Vehicle Enforcement Officers seem to ignore the the overweight and speeding coal trucks, instead they spend their time writing up automobiles for speeding. The local peace officers and elected officials catch all the grief from the citizens.

Glad it worked out for you:)
 
Repoman, I'm glad everything went well but am not surprised. As you know, Kentucky is very pro-gun, at least outside the metropolitan areas.

Ky Motor Vehicle Enforcement Officer -- they are kinda' the red headed step child of law enforcement agencies here. They used to be in the Transportation Cabinet until a couple of years ago when they moved over to Justice, the same cabinet as state police.
 
I've had nothing but positive experiences with LEO interactions since getting my CC permit. One let me off with a warning in the Harper's Ferry area, although I suspect it also had to do with me following procedures such as turning on interior light, hands on wheel etc.
 
If I remember correct we are not required to inform a officer in Ky and if that is still the case I ain't . I don't want one messing with a Cocked and Locked 1911
 
I had a similar experience a few months ago that I've written about before. I was not disarmed, however.

I was stopped in Glendale (Bell Rd. near 63rd Ave), allegedly for 54 in a 40 and straddling a lane marker briefly. (I don't believe I did either, although my speed was perhaps crowding 50.) I said I could neither confirm nor deny it, then got out my driver's license, registration and insurance card. While I was digging my license out, he asked if I had any weapons in the truck. Since I did have my carry gun on my person and you are supposed to inform if asked, I answered in the affirmative. He said he asked because he saw my CCW card. He then asked if I had been drinking - the answer was no - and where I was coming from. While I am not obligated to answer this, I saw no harm in saying I just came from the "comfort food" restaurant down the street. And then he gave me a verbal warning. :)
 
I was stopped outside of Lexington last week and had a similiar exchange. No harm no foul.
 
When I was a cop here in TX I never took a CHL holder's weapon away during a traffic stop. I also never wrote them a ticket.
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8830:

Did I understand you correctly? You never wrote a ticket? How could that be?
 
Had my G26 in a pocket holster in my back pocket. Didn't initially tell the officer until he asked if I had any weapons in the car. Told him yes and it's location and handed him my CCW. He knew that there is no duty to inform in Ga and didn't have a chip on his shoulder. Also didn't ask to see the weapon. He did stay right by my door and asked me to keep my hands on the steering wheel for his safety. I guess he did call for backup because another officer arrived shortly. No harm no foul. He was being safe and I'm all for safety, his and mine. He gave me a break and wrote the ticket for 64 in a 55 instead of the 75 he clocked me at. I told him thankyou and be safe. He was a Ga state trooper and was the ultimate of professional and courtousy combined.

I don't know what I'd of done if he wanted my weapon. I was sitting on it. It now goes in the seat next to me when I drive.
 
QUOTE: "rainbowbob,
I never wrote a CHL holder a ticket. Not everyone in this state has one."

Was the CHL the deciding factor?
 
Over the past decade, I've gone through many license checks and DWI checkpoints while carrying. Only once was it "secured" during the license check, though this was after North Carolina became a "shall issue" state.

Usually I'm asked to specify its location and to leave it holstered while they look over my registration, CCW and drivers license. It's rare I'm held up for more than a minute.

It also helps that western North Carolina is primarily gun-friendly location, with the exception of freak-town Asheville.
 
I had my weapon removed once when a bank I was doing business with incorrectly reported my debit card as stolen, I and attempted to use MY card at a grocery store, who of course reported a stolen card in use. After the hubbub was over, PD apologized, to which I responded they were doing thier jobs, thinking I was trying to use a stolen card, and I received my firearm back, and a nice conversation about carry load choice.
 
Could be trouble in SC

One of the things they taught us in our CWP classes was that our State Law Enforcement Division (SLED) will use any kind of law violation to cancel the CWP permit... including speeding. Their attitude is that "if you don't bother to follow the traffic laws, you won't bother to follow the gun laws".

In states where traffic laws fall under civil violations, they aren't as strict about it, but some states have all "Code of Laws" violations tied to the criminal courts and use traffic violations as a reason to suspend carrying priveleges.. so you need to be aware of whether or not your state is strict about their enforcement of traffic laws being tied to your carry permit privelege. South Carolina, as I mentioned, uses traffic violations as a reason to cancel a CWP, and North Carolina's traffic laws fall under criminal law violations... so I would assume that they would do likewise.

When I worked in Tennessee, the first question they asked me at a traffic stop was "do you have any weapons in your possession"... even before asking for my license and registration... so every state is different in their approach, and it can get confusing if you aren't "schooled" in their particular state laws. It makes me wonder what would happen if you got a speeding ticket in another "reciprocal" state... While we all keep up on where our carry permits are valid for carry in reciprocal states, we might not be aware of the legal structure of their issuance and "maintenance" of CWP's.

I'm glad this guy got off with a warning, but it makes you think that in a reciprocal state, you could end up in jail for illegally carrying a firearm "during the commission of a crime" if their traffic laws are tied to the criminal courts... which could be a real problem with reciprocity. Any ideas?

WT
 
I am an LEO in Arizona and this is about how I handle stops with CCW carriers. HOWEVER, BE WARNED. Not all officers will be so polite or reasonable. More than half of all new officers have never handled a firearm before the academy.

In Arizona you are not required to advise the officer of the concealed firearm unless asked. Check your local laws, but if you don't have to tell the officer you have a gun, don't. Ignorance is bliss. Yes, it can benefit you, but it can also backfire.
 
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