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No, I don't think it will keep them busy enough to lay off the AWB renewal. Feinstein and Boxer have their panties in a wad over this new law, but they will not let go of the AWB. And as far as interest groups go, there are separate and distinct lobbies to keep the pressure on for the AWB and other laws.
 
No. They are just as concerned, if not more, with stripping the constitution of the 2nd ammendment or rendering the second ammendment impotent as they are with preserving a woman's right to kill an unborn child.
 
hopefully it will piss them off to no end though I doubt it will keep them busy enough to draw lack of attention to AWB renewal. I am sure it will keep theyre staff busy and doubt it will not affect theyre agenda.
 
So what connection does this law have with any of the enumerated powers of the Congress (Article I, Section 8)? I don't see it at all--this looks like something that's utterly and totally the turf of the several States.
 
M1911owner, this law has nothing to do with the enumerated powers of Congress. But then, Congress has gone very far afield for a very long time with regard to their Constitutional powers.
 
I can't understand how the American people won't see these people for what they are.
Feinstein wants to take away my 2nd amendment rights because someone someday might go nuts and abuse this right.
However, there are people facing charges right now ,that she would have set free, because somewhere someday she might want to have an abortion.
Come on folks, she's saying it's O.K. to kill a child, but not O.K. to own a firearm.:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
 
Why do we have to name every law after someone these days? We never did it before. It seems like every time a kid gets victimized now we have to have a new law named in their honor. I wonder how long before we get "Elizabeth's (Smart) Law that will make kidnapping an even bigger federal crime?

That aside, the scary thing is that the federal government is federalizing nearly every crime now under the purvue of the states. Pursuant to the Constitution, they have only three crimes over which they have jurisdiction -- counterfeiting, piracy, and treason -- but over time they have crept inexorably into the realm of nearly every crime.
 
Jimpeel, are you intentional excluding violation of tax, copyright and patent laws as being violations that should be civil instead of criminal, or were you just typing too fast? If the former, I'm interested in hearing how you reached that conclusion.
 
I had typed this wonderfully detailed disertation involving several thousand hunt-and-peck keystrokes which evaporated into the ether for some reason -- probably typing too fast. I refuse to do it all over again.

There were no tax laws prior to the Congress granting themselves the power after the USSC told them that an income tax would be unconstitutional. The Constitution called for levys, tarriffs, and excises as the only taxes that were lawful prior to the enactment of the Sixteenth Amendment. The non-payment of taxes was criminalized at that point and people were -- and still are -- thrown into debtors prison.

Patents and copyrights are a civil matter and were never supposed to be a criminal matter.

I repeat -- the Constitution granted to the Congress only three -- count 'em -- THREE criminal acts; piracy, counterfeiting, and treason.

Timothy Mcveigh was a good example. The feds have criminalized murder as a federal crime. They robbed the people of Oklahoma of their day in court. They even moved the trial of McVeigh out of Oklahoma in violation of Article III, Section 2, Para 3 which states:
The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.
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In actuality, if the feds had charged McVeigh with treason I would have had no problem with the feds trying him wherever they wanted to. He did, after all, wage war upon the United States and, if Jose Padilla is John Doe #2, he gave aid and comfort to our enemies.

That's my answer and I'm sticking to it.
 
fish2xs

OK. Let's keep the emotional part out of this, and stick to the gun
law aspect.
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The forum is also for civil rights issues and this law would establish the civil right of unborn children not to be harmed by aberrant third parties. It should have no effect on any other laws in place now.

As for the feds delving into this; they should butt out. This is the purvue of the states, not the federal government.
 
While the subject of treason has come up, I have a question about that. WHy is it that treason was always punishable by death, but in this age people seem to get off with life in prison or a few years in jail. Wy no hangings or firing squads?
 
Just to play devils advocate AND to show how liberals can only see one side consider this. The law says it is illegal to harm someones fetus. Another law says Abortion is legal. So basicly in court using the two to back each other up. The law says that a woman has total control over her unborn fetus. Anyone else that touchs it is commiting a crime. SHE alone is free to do what she wants.

I would not argue this because my personal views differ, but I bet you could make a strong case for keeping abortion legal now.
 
I don't know that treason is always punishable by death. The fact is that we haven't had anyone accused of same in so long that we don't know what the penalty would be if someone were to be charged. In McVeigh's case, he should have been charged with treason.
 
Jimpeel,

Thanks for your answer to my question. That's an interesting perspective. I think that I'll file that away and ponder about it for a while.

I am strongly of the opinion that our government has made serious offenses of far too many things. I suppose that it was all well and good that we were able to get rid of Al Capone on charges of tax evasion when we couldn't make anything else stick. But... it seems to me, if they could do that to Al Capone, they could do something similar to any of us who got on the wrong side of someone in government. And that isn't what our constitution is supposed to be about.
 
M1911Owner

Al Capone was nailed by lawful trickery. Yes, it is well that he is moldering in his grave; but such trickery always leads to further trickery.

There is the voir dire which loads juries and is essentially legal jury tampering;

There is the movement of trials in violation of the Constitution to avoid "pre-trial publicity";

There are plea bargains which have nothing to do with justice but only getting the win.

I could go on and on; but what's the use? They will do what they want.
 
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The Declaration of Independence
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
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Our rights can only be unalienable if they were given to us by a higher power than man, else man can take them away.


Isn't that what the courts say...that they are the rights giver and the rights taker...they must think they are god.
 
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