Latest on the Remington mess with my .270 ... not good.

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After three weeks and still no box or tag for the 7600 with the canted rear sight I started calling corporate again and trying to reach anyone other than the last guy. When I finally got a person and explained about the two 870s and the 597 I had to fix last year and now the new rifle fouled up I got sent back to the same guy. I asked what happened to the box and return tag, and reminded him I'd left a message with the serial numbers and (worthless) customer service numbers for the other issues and then gave him the address to send the tag for the latest mess. His response?

"I was mainly interested in the serial numbers and there was a lot of other stuff on there and I didn't listen to it."

He said Remington doesn't "care what people say on the internet or in gun stores" about sliding quality. They can only get the guns back and fix them. He was very 'curt' and hurrying to get off. This is a manager at corporate, not a worker bee on the CS line.

They simply do not care. They will still sell 700s and 870s and they will still make huge money in the military sales group. They simply no longer care about the individual Remington guy who's been a loyal customer and who's seeing quality and service go to hellinahandbasket. They could care less.

I pulled one of my (2) plain old 700s out last week to sight it in and shoot it. It is a gorgeous-wooded, immaculately blued model from the late 70s when they still came with iron sights, in 30-06 and with a Leupold Rifleman 3-9x on it. It probably hasn't been cleaned or fired in over a year. I had a box of Win-X soft points, the cheap stuff, that gave up a clover leaf from a rest at 100 yards till the barrel heated up - albeit 5" left :D I have been so angry at Remington I tend to forget the kind of quality that made them top dawg. I have a cellphone pic of the rifle I am trying to upload. It is simply gorgeous. Like an old Gibson guitar. And shoots lights out with almost anything you feed it.

It's sad to see what they've become because as near as I can tell you can't buy that kind of beauty and accuracy in one gun for less than $1200 today. And that was just a plain-jane 700. :(
 
sounds to me like you should stop buying remingtons...

if you don't like the products, don't like the direction, don't like the people of a company, it is far less stressful to cease doing business with that company than it is to try to singlehandedly change that company.
 
They simply do not care. They will still sell 700s and 870s and they will still make huge money in the military sales group. They simply no longer care about the individual Remington guy who's been a loyal customer and who's seeing quality and service go to hellinahandbasket. They could care less.

Sounds like what some of us have been posting for a while now. Sorry you had to find this out firsthand with your hard-earned dough.

Why people still buy 700s is beyond me...
 
Yeah, even someone as stubborn as I am gets a clue sooner or later. I priced my next purchase (bolt action 308) today and will go with a Savage this time. I got a bit of flack when I defended Remington over the 870, even as I was working on two of them. But he was right. I just hadn't learned a hard enough lesson. So I'm done with Remington and done with posting about it. It's all there, it's all factual, and I'm not alone. Savage and Winchester will get all my business from now on and the next time I'm at Ed's Gun Shop and someone is banging on Big Green I'll now ad my own pitiful experience instead of defending them.

Thanks for letting me rant about it and thanks for the support and for the emails. The internet can be a pretty powerful tool. It's reason I didn't buy a Beretta shotgun or a Sako/Tikka rife. Read too many horror stories about support. If one guy has an issue that's one thing, But if several have similar stories it's a problem waiting to happen. :D
 
I didn't mean to sound like, "I told you so." That's not what was on my mind, and I'm sorry if it came off that way.

What I was thinking of was all the times that some of us have been called "Remington bashers", as if there were nothing behind the complaints.
 
Not at all bear. And to be honest ... you and Uncle Mike and others did tell me so. And I didn't listen. Now I'm taking my medicine. :D


Oops. Said I wasn't going to post about it anymore. :eek:


(Whispering: I thinking of just changing the barrel/having it changed to .308 locally. It'll all work out ok. :D )
 
Yeah I can't exactly figure out why people still buy 870's or 700's anymore. It must be because they used to be good. I think that reputation still follows them some and the reputation for lack of quality is just starting to come out.

I'd buy a older as in 70's or so Remington maybe even 80's in a heartbeat if it was what I wanted and a decent price. However, I'm very unlikely to buy a new Remington unless they drastically change their quality.


No reason to buy a Remington 700 when you can get a Savage, Winchester, or Browning.
 
I totally give up on posting here with a quote! Sometimes it lets you do it and other times it will not let you.

Snakum, I know what you mean about the 700's from the 70's. I have a Varmint Special that is just as you describe. Also have another 700 Classic in .300 H&H, it has its own beauty but isn't shiny like the VS.

I bought another 700 VS in .22-250 two years ago and was really impressed. As beautiful as the older rifles were they were just not as accurate out of the box as the new ones with the synthetic stocks.

Both my older 700's were hard pressed to shoot a 1" group until I had the barrels free floated.
 
Throw in Ruger, Weatherby, Tikka, Howa and Marlin.
Yeah I should have included those as well. I just couldn't think of them all so I only listed the couple I could.

Marlin is owned by the same company that owns Remington now which worries me about them. However, so far I haven't heard any real complaints of quality issues. The XL/XS line seems great from everything I've read. I hope they keep the quality of the rifles up. They are just one company that has me a little worried now since we have all seen how the quality of Remington is now.
 
I would like to +1 the guy who mentioned Weatherby. Their CS is exemplary. Their line of rifles go from bare bones to tip top in quality and workmanship. The accuracy is great no matter the cost. I am a nobody customer and I sent Ed Weatherby a PM on the weatherby forum and he wrote me back himself. He is Roy Weatherby's son who is now the head of the company. He told the forum members that they are not going to include the factory target with the Vanguard rifles any longer. I PMed him what I thought of the company's decision and he replied and thanked me for my input and said he would take it under advisement. I haven't heard any more about it, so I don't know if I convinced him not to or not, but who knows.

All I can say is that their CS is awesome.

Mikey!
 
Yeah, it's my impression that, when you buy a Weatherby, whether it's $399 or $3999, somebody actually looked over the gun before they shipped it out.

Some other manufacturers sure don't give that impression any more...
 
Well that about tares it...I suppose I will have to order a few Marlins before they go south too!:mad::rolleyes:

Perhaps a thread titled "Get your Marlins NOW! Before they get Rem.idied".The Marlin jam takes on a whole new meaning.

And I was hoping that perhaps Marlin would get more variety in their line up,now being partof Remington.:rolleyes:
 
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