Latest youth violence unnerves France

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Not sure if people knew about this incident. I myself just heard a BBC story about it. The show interviewed a young French woman said that she is PO'd that the train with 600 passengers just ssat there and let these 30-some teenagers get away with what they did.

The same BBC show said that French talk shows were ablaze with people complaining about how the government failed to protect the passengers, and that maybe a new way of thinking was needed among the French people (i.e., actually defending themselves or others in need without waiting for the govt to do it for them) :rolleyes: . . .

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002721144_train05.html?syndication=rss

Thursday, January 5, 2006 - 12:00 AM

Latest youth violence unnerves France

By Sebastian Rotella
Los Angeles Times

PARIS — France confronted a new incident of violence Wednesday, a rampage that terrorized passengers as their train rolled east along the Riviera on New Year's Day.

The ordeal became front-page news Wednesday in the nation still on edge from riots in immigrant-dominated urban areas in November. Authorities were criticized for leaving about 600 passengers at the mercy of young people who robbed and sexually assaulted victims for at least 25 minutes as the train traveled from Nice to Marseilles.

The young people were among about 100 police had rounded up earlier after incidents of vandalism in Nice and put on the train to send them home to communities near Marseilles and Avignon.

Passengers tried to barricade themselves in compartments as assailants trashed the train and threatened to kill victims who used cellphones to call for help, authorities said. After police boarded the train in Les Arcs-Draguignan station, shaken passengers took refuge in a cafe, a waitress said Wednesday.

"They had tears in their eyes," said Linda Gasmi in statements reported by French media. "They said women were molested. They mentioned sexual aggression."

Police identified four victims and arrested six suspects for robbery, making death threats and sexual molestation. Witness accounts suggested more assailants and victims were involved but could not be identified.

Two suspects are 19-year-old Moroccan immigrants living in Avignon. Four others are juveniles, who in accord with French law, were not identified.

Police said the national railroad company, SNCF, had assigned a four-man private security team to watch the suspects when the train left Nice. But the guards got off a few stops later.

Many of the young people, all male, were drunk and belligerent when police herded them onto the train in Nice about 6 a.m. Sunday, witnesses said.

Some had been detained and released the previous night for allegedly vandalizing a train arriving from Marseilles for the New Year's Eve celebrations, authorities said.
Groups of young people from tough neighborhoods with large North African immigrant populations were drawn to Nice by low-cost holiday fares.

The high-level, if slow, response by senior officials reflected lingering worries about crime, youth gangs and potential new strife in immigrant neighborhoods.

President Jacques Chirac expressed indignation Wednesday. Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy promised to create a national railroad police, expanding an existing force that has cut transport crime in the Paris area. Security aboard national trains is handled by the private security force.

"I have asked for a very precise investigation into what happened and who failed in their responsibility," Sarkozy said on TV Wednesday night. "It's not a republic and not a democratic society if you are scared to take the bus, the subway or the train."

The opposition Socialist Party accused the government of downplaying the unrest. Jack Lang, a Socialist leader, said the attack on the train passengers "shows the contrast between the official propaganda intended to lull the French to sleep and the sad reality of worsening insecurity nationwide."

Troubles continued even after authorities made arrests and permitted the train to leave Les Arcs-Draguignan about 9 a.m. Sunday with police aboard, authorities said. Police arrested three more suspects for possession of drugs and weapons.
 
It's not a republic and not a democratic society if you are scared to take the bus, the subway or the train.
Yup, this will wake up the Franco-Socialists. The sheeple will become too afraid to take public transportation when they leave their public housing to go to their public health care providers on their days off from their public government "jobs".
 
I read about this over on Drudge.

I kind of wonder what would have happened on a US train. I like to think they would have gotten the crap beat out of them, but taking on 30 punks is a big job.
 
What an excellent textbook example of why "the .gov will protect you" mantra is so deeply flawed. In this case, and as often as not, it is the gov that created/exacerbated the problem in the first place.

Also, since when do perps under arrest get to be shipped unattended through public transportation? France knows best?
 
sturmruger said:
I read about this over on Drudge.

I kind of wonder what would have happened on a US train. I like to think they would have gotten the crap beat out of them, but taking on 30 punks is a big job.

I think if you cut the liver out of one the rest would get really quiet.
 
20 to 1 odds in their favor and the French still get their asses kicked?
Is it possible that an entire country recieve the Darwin award?
 
IMO, if enough of the thugs, say a couple hundred, get together and dress up with knee high shiny black boots, they should be able to take over the country.
 
IMO, if enough of the thugs, say a couple hundred, get together and dress up with knee high shiny black boots, they should be able to take over the country.
Yea, but then we'd have to liberate France again. And while taking Pointe-Du-Hoc is great fun on the PC, its not something I'd want to do in real life.
I think if you cut the liver out of one the rest would get really quiet.
My thoughts exactly.
 
Sad, truly sad and the idiots that sat there watching girls get "sexualy molested" (whatever that is under the definition of french law, not sure if it is just rubbing or something or if it is actual rape, either way still bout as bad) deserve to have the crap kicked out of them along with the punks that did it. You try raping a girl in front of me I know her or not and Im pulling the bolt cutters out cutting something out and then beating you into a bloddy pile of goo with them.
 
Im pulling the bolt cutters out cutting something out and then beating you into a bloddy pile of goo with them.
You would make a horrible Frenchman.

(You're welcome)
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While I don't wish this sort of thing on anyone, part of me hopes it continues until the French people (not the government, they don't care) will wake up and realize what it takes to confront this kind of behavior. and that doesn't mean hoping that someone from the government will come along and rescue you. and maybe the rest of Europe will do the same. Just imagine - gun shows in Europe that we could travel abroad and see. and they might be better than the ones we have here!
 
While I don't wish this sort of thing on anyone, part of me hopes it continues until the French people (not the government, they don't care) will wake up and realize what it takes to confront this kind of behavior.

I'm sorry to say this but that was the first thing I thought. Some folks need to be pushed farther than others before they start pushing back.
 
its only gonna get worse. :fire: then it will spill over and attempt to enter America. then it will be pushed back by members of THR. :D

Seriously. Stand up and do something. Damn, Im sure in those 600 people there was someone who wanted to do something but was afraid the police would arrest him and call him a racist.
 
You try raping a girl in front of me I know her or not and Im pulling the bolt cutters out cutting something out and then beating you into a bloddy pile of goo with them.
Be careful, kids. I suggested something similar for American gang bangers in Bakersfield, CA and a moderator edited out my post.

Pilgrim
 
Sheep are for shearing.:barf:

Yet another example of the hypocracy of the socialist elite - too gutless to fight for thier own lifes, but want to call some underpaid civil servant to do it for them. Don't like weapons, but the first thing they do when they're in troble is call for someone with a gun to come save them.:barf::barf:
 
hksw said:
IMO, if enough of the thugs, say a couple hundred, get together and dress up with knee high shiny black boots, they should be able to take over the country.

Especially if they spoke german. :evil:
 
The French

riot over EU regs on cheese, but sit by while thugs sexually assault women on a train.
Tres gallant.
 
Don't feel too smug.

Over the holiday's I saw a video of a bank robbery here in the US. (sorry, I don't remember where.) Anyway, there were several people in line at the teller window when the robber walked up, pulled a gun and leapt over the counter. He stuffed a bag with a lot of money, jumped back over the counter, and walked out.

What stunned me was that the people in line just stood there. They did not scream, holler, run, hide, duck down, nothing. They just stood there, like sheep. They watched, from just a couple of feet away, a man pull a gun and commit armed robbery.

I can't understand why they did not at least RUN!!!!!!!! After all, they did not know that this guys next act might be to eliminate all witnesses, or take hostages, or what. Instead they stood there, waiting for whatever the robber had in mind for them, seemingly unable to react in any way.

I think we have a very large number of sheep in this country that would have reacted in exactly the same passive manner as the French people did on that train.
 
This is already, in scope, a military problem, not a problem of standing up on an individual basis, though obviously national RKBA rights would mitigate the threat. France needs to remove the velvet glove; one hopes there's an iron fist inside.
 
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