Law enforcement view on CCW
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Jorg Nysgerrig
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That is going to vary strongly by region, you might want to be more specific.
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Hmm- I read that beat cops love CCW but the high rankers (chief, etc) are opposed
qlajlu
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Most articles I have read seem to support this view. However, there appears to be a rift in that way of thinking in...I think it is Los Angeles, or maybe one of the nearby towns with its own law enforcement. I read where either a Lt. or Capt. that was running for chiefdom completely supported CCW. Problem is I can't remember who said it for sure nor where I read it to give a url to link.CZ.22 said:
Zach S
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In my area (western NC) LEOs dont seem to care.
Many dislike it, just like teacher unions dislike private schools.
It lowers their importance.
Many police agencies seek to maintain the myth that they can or will protect you. 99.9% of people are law abiding, so the myth prevails.
If they show open support for CCW, it devalues the myth.
It takes something like the VT tragedy to see through this myth.
Most police like having a monopoly on the use of force. It is where their percieved power is derived from.
It lowers their importance.
Many police agencies seek to maintain the myth that they can or will protect you. 99.9% of people are law abiding, so the myth prevails.
If they show open support for CCW, it devalues the myth.
It takes something like the VT tragedy to see through this myth.
Most police like having a monopoly on the use of force. It is where their percieved power is derived from.
DontBurnMyFlag
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Up here in the Northeast a few of the people Ive worked with were concerned about the public owning and carrying guns. Probably 1% of the cops Ive met/worked with.
Myself and others are completely comfortable with civilians carrying firearms. However in NJ, they are prohibited from doing so.
Ive been on more than a few calls that if the victim was armed...they wouldnt have been a victim.
Myself and others are completely comfortable with civilians carrying firearms. However in NJ, they are prohibited from doing so.
Ive been on more than a few calls that if the victim was armed...they wouldnt have been a victim.
Dorryn
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Here in Buffalo, they have a lot of cars (taxis, POVs) with the bumper sticker reading "Pay Police As If Your Life Depended On It". Those have always pissed me off.
There is a correlation between High Ranking LEO's and lack of support for CCW.
1. They tend to be out of touch and do not interact with public enough/do not respond to calls and see the benefit of a citizen that can protect themselves and more importantly....
2. They tend to be political animals...either having political aspirations themselves or they report directly to an elected official who TELLS them how they are going to feel about the issue.
1. They tend to be out of touch and do not interact with public enough/do not respond to calls and see the benefit of a citizen that can protect themselves and more importantly....
2. They tend to be political animals...either having political aspirations themselves or they report directly to an elected official who TELLS them how they are going to feel about the issue.
Ala Dan
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No Quarms With CCW
As a former LEO myself, I consider CCW a good thing for law abiding
citizens; and those persons that qualify as such should have that right~!
As a former LEO myself, I consider CCW a good thing for law abiding
citizens; and those persons that qualify as such should have that right~!
Oohrah
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Former LEO. Most are in favor as real life a lot of
carriers. Being in the records system, they know
before your wheels stop turning that you are a CCW
and don't get surprised!
carriers. Being in the records system, they know
before your wheels stop turning that you are a CCW
and don't get surprised!
i've heard both sides. two examples: FFL i use most of the time, great guy, worked in a lot of the units that see some of the hairier drug-related violence in the chicago area, has seen "the worst" so to speak - totally supportive of unrestricted right to bear arms. another guy who worked diplomatic security is entirely against the right to bear arms, saying that we need to make our laws around the dumbest or most dangerous people, and that they pose a threat to society and the people who take care of society - thus, too bad for me as someone who would responsibly handle my arms. ironically, although his point of view is easier to poke holes in than a wet tissue, the latter is actually probably the "smarter" guy, now in law school. it's just a personal bias he can't overcome, having been involved in shootouts himself, and feeling for the peace officers here and not wanting them to have to deal with that. i just mention this because i don't think there's an answer to this question. there's no national poll i'm aware of, and even if there was, the various reasons for being for or against are so varied as to negate the answer itself. location, experience, etc. create tremendous variability. that said, if you want some numbers to throw around, gunfacts.info is a good place to start.
Damien45
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We do have that Right. Unfortunately it needs to be restored.
In my experience, the LEOs I have encountered did the standard "attitude check" (during a stop, start of conversation, ect.), inquired about "dangerous items" and never brought it up agian. To me, that says most LEOs do not have a problem with CCW. Unless the individual brings the problem. Just my opinion.
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cz.22 said:
jorg said:
CAPTAIN MIKE
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Depends A LOT on the Jurisdiction
Having travelled extensively, my take on it is that it "Depends" on the jurisdiction. Generally speaking, you'll be much more likely to find support by LEOs in those jurisdictions which are "Shall Issue" states and less likely to find support by LEOs in those states which are "May Issue" jurisidcitions. In the several states that have only recently (i.e. within the last 5 years) passed 'Shall Issue' laws, it simply takes awhile for most law enforcement in the state to get used to the idea. Many of them came up through the ranks in a time when only police and criminals carried firearms.
Most experienced law enforcement officers today probably subscribe to the reality that the police just can't be everywhere and most often respond to crimes rather than interdict them. I believe that as experience grows and as statistics continue to show that armed, trained law-abiding citizens help stem the growth of crime, the resistance will continue to slowly evaporate.
Speaking from personal experience, I generally found LEOs to be fair about it. In other words, if they know you are carrying lawfully and that you are mindful of their own need for 'officer safety' I have never experiened any negative encounters.
Having travelled extensively, my take on it is that it "Depends" on the jurisdiction. Generally speaking, you'll be much more likely to find support by LEOs in those jurisdictions which are "Shall Issue" states and less likely to find support by LEOs in those states which are "May Issue" jurisidcitions. In the several states that have only recently (i.e. within the last 5 years) passed 'Shall Issue' laws, it simply takes awhile for most law enforcement in the state to get used to the idea. Many of them came up through the ranks in a time when only police and criminals carried firearms.
Most experienced law enforcement officers today probably subscribe to the reality that the police just can't be everywhere and most often respond to crimes rather than interdict them. I believe that as experience grows and as statistics continue to show that armed, trained law-abiding citizens help stem the growth of crime, the resistance will continue to slowly evaporate.
Speaking from personal experience, I generally found LEOs to be fair about it. In other words, if they know you are carrying lawfully and that you are mindful of their own need for 'officer safety' I have never experiened any negative encounters.
DMK
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My local sheriff has gone on record as being publicly supportive of CCW and my conceal carry class was taught by a deputy from a neighboring county.
CountGlockula
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There are pros and cons.
Self defense verses non-fully trained CCWers.
Is "CCWers" a word?
Self defense verses non-fully trained CCWers.
Is "CCWers" a word?
Steve499
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I retired after 29 years in law enforcement. I never had any concern about an honest man and his gun, regardless of how or where he carried it. The majority (7 out of 10, approximately) of the officers I worked with looked at it the same way I did. That wasn't the way the brass viewed it but they weren't there with you. I figured if they wanted ccw cases made, they could get out on the road and make them!
Steve
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The Amigo
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As an LEO myself I support CCW for law abiding Citizens. I believe in a multi state permit reciprocity. And even if its a second amendment right. I believe its your responsibility to maintain yourself proficient and safe enough as far as safe weapon handling.
Ive seen some people at the range with CCWs that would scare the crap out of everyone here.
But that nonsense that all LEO,s hate CCWs or are anti is bull. I look at it this way the more good guys with guns in the Streets the easier my job will be.
Ive seen some people at the range with CCWs that would scare the crap out of everyone here.
But that nonsense that all LEO,s hate CCWs or are anti is bull. I look at it this way the more good guys with guns in the Streets the easier my job will be.
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Oh...?
Are you active duty military? If not, then YOU ARE a CIVILIAN!
Are you active duty military? If not, then YOU ARE a CIVILIAN!
Steve in PA
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ohhhh........panties are going to get in a bunch now!!!
cheygriz
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That simply isn't true! In 22 years of law enforcement, I knew perhaps half a dozen that felt that way, and none of them lasted until retirement.
A very small percentage feel that, but nowhere near MOST!
That IS true! Many "high ranking officials" are there due to political connections rather than ability, and they reflect the opinions of those who put them there.
Most of the officers that I have known and worked with over the years either support CCW, or don't really care, one way or the other. VERY FEW actively opposed it
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