LCP II - the sequel by Ruger

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I saw the bottom at $194.50 2 days ago, but I picked up a Custom, and have no regrets at all, we all knew they were getting ready to switch, I got a nice gun for 260 OTD with a 7 rounder. The new one is not at all appealing to me, I don't like the frame, not the issue with the mag, and the new red trigger is sweet, so they should do this more often, only with a Springer or a Colt maybe.
 
For a minute I thought it was a miniature Hi-Point! ;) Thankfully, for those who jump on this, you can hide it in a pocket. Can't imagine pulling that one out to show around with much pride though. Guess price does trump all
 
Here's an honest opinion, about a month ago I was looking at a LCP (G2) and a TCP. I went with the TCP for a few reasons.

This LCP II doesn't make me regret my decision.


It will be interesting to see though, once a few folks get there hands on one, what the trigger weight is on this SA no safety pocket pistol.
 
It will be interesting to see though, once a few folks get there hands on one, what the trigger weight is on this SA no safety pocket pistol.

Yes, exactly. I thought the idea of a single-action auto with no manual safety had been dumped back around 1911. What makes it OK now?
 
Wait, $179 on the LCP on slickguns, the new model just fell again from this morning. Was 300, no2 279, by tomorrow, it should be 250, it's really funny, it may catch up to the earlier model by weeks end. You can get a Lc9 pro for the same price, more gun, closer in size to the LCP2.
 
what the trigger weight is on this SA no safety pocket pistol.

Ya... I'm interested in it, and I was a critic of the original trigger, but a short and light trigger without a cocker or safety does worry me.

I'm still leaning toward the Remington RM380 since it is so close to my Rohrbaugh R9
 
Ya... I'm interested in it, and I was a critic of the original trigger, but a short and light trigger without a cocker or safety does worry me.

I'm still leaning toward the Remington RM380 since it is so close to my Rohrbaugh R9
The one review I read said the trigger pull was still .75" long. Now if I remember correctly there was less than a pound difference in the weight of the pull.
Here's the review: https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/ruger-380-lcp-reborn-new-lcp-ii-full-review/
 
I'm excited about the LCP II, but I don't know if I will get one or if it will be successful. I figured they must be up to something since the generation one LCPs have been selling for $200ish whereas they were $280-300 a year and a half ago. With the success of the generation one LCP, I wonder how many people will opt to remain with their generation one guns. Furthermore, without magazine interchangeability between the generations, it provides less incentive for upgrading. I am interested in how the new trigger does as that is the one thing that I dislike about the generation one LCP. However, for a pocket gun, a heavy trigger isn't necessarily a bad thing. I'll wait and see what folks say.
 
Grab a Gun sent out an email yesterday stating the LCP II is in stock for $299.

I may have to go check these out.

Joe
 
Just was looking at the new pistol on Ruger's site. I see a gap on the backside of the trigger between the trigger and the safety that is not on my gen 1. Here's a link: http://www.ruger.com/products/lcpII/models.html

Looks like a likely place to catch lint or whatever and bind up the safety from moving. Might be very inconvenient when it's needed. :uhoh:
 
I have one of the LCP I models for a couple of months. I had been using the Kel Tec P3AT for many years. I couldn't pass up the low price on the LCP. I always have wanted one.

In looking at the new LCP II, I like a few things. The last round hold open is good. The new lightweight pull trigger sounds good. The looks are ok. Is there a flush magazine available without the finger extension?

But, there is one reason why I won't buy it. The light trigger with no safety except the Glock style trigger safety gives me great pause. Too much chance for an accidental discharge when drawing with a loaded chamber.

I have a Glock 26 and you have to be very careful with that one.

The LCP I has a heavier pull than the II, and I am much more confident about that when carrying with a loaded chamber. If the LCP II has a lightweight trigger it ought to have a manual safety. Then I would pick one up. I would favor it over the LCP I.
 
Thanks but I will keep my LCP 1 old black regular one with the "heavy" trigger which has never failed ever...no Beta tester here
 
The DA trigger pull on my Taurus Millennium G2 PT111 is generally right around 6 lbs 10 oz each time. If the LCP II is an even 5 lb trigger I'd say that's not too bad.
 
Read the gunsamerica reveiw and follow along.

Old trigger pull, 6.5 pounds. New trigger pull, 5 pounds 11 oz. Not keeping the numbers in the same descriptive category is more than poor writing, it means something is being covered up - which is that the trigger hasn't really changed much, only 13 oz of pull. That might not seem much but it goes to reading other gun reviews and seeing that much range in production trigger pull weights from reviewer to reviewer. It's may have a "short, crisp trigger pull but it's not a truly single action trigger pull - under 5 pound and less than half an inch travel would have done that.

No, it's about the same as a Glock. And what happens after the sear releases? You get "snappier recoil" than the older model. Perception being individual, take that with a grain of salt, but the reason I sold my first gen LCP was the snappy recoil and lack of any comfort in trying to shoot a few magazines. Saying it's now even worse isn't a good thing.

As for size and weight it is no longer the leader of it's class, dropping in the ranks so that other guns can and will be considered more svelte and easier to carry. Along with that are the aesthetics. Rugers looked like a nice remake of the original P3at, and it wasn't hard to see. Now, it may have more family cues to the American series of larger guns, but that is a snapshot of excesses, not necessarily classic good looks. If anything at first sight I saw hints of the original Grendel - the gun Keltec cut their marketing teeth on. I won't say it's another copy, but that's what I see.

And not least but last, the SAFE action style trigger. There are notable issues with those related to training. Glock standard practice in the early years was to insist that a holster be made with hard sides to protect the trigger, and it's a known hazard to use fabrics or leather which are floppy and could snag it. That they ship it with their own fabric pocket holster isn't a bad thing - it's actually good marketing - it's the choice of what kind it is, tho, and it's not the better choice. A kydex trigger "bikini" would protect it better and actually reduce the bulk of the package.

Ruger has put some work into this model, and while it may be seen as a necessary upgrade in marketing terms it's not reason enough for me to trade in my Kahr CW380. Same size and weight, less attractive (one perspective) and certainly not a great shooter if the recoil is no better than before. That was a significant feature for me - the original LCP was a two mag range gun, the Kahr a joy shooting a box of 50.

I'm sure it will sell well - and at least it fixes one of the worse issues of the original, by adding the slide hold open. It's now duty grade as a BUG for operation, giving the shooter a red flag he's out of ammo and capable of assisting in the reload rather than hiding the fact and being hard to rack under the additional stress of discovering it.

Ruger did what they had to do, they are a first tier maker. Had the original had a working slide hold open maybe we'd be kinder to it. The LCP is gone, for the time being, long live the LCP II. For at least the duration of this marketing cycle.
 
I got the old version.
It aint perfect.
Shoots pretty good, reliability has been flawless.
Prefer it over the new version. Too bad the new one's sights aren't on the old one.
 
Read the gunsamerica reveiw and follow along.

Old trigger pull, 6.5 pounds. New trigger pull, 5 pounds 11 oz. Not keeping the numbers in the same descriptive category is more than poor writing, it means something is being covered up

Yikes,

I misread that in the article. For some reason I read 5 lbs.
 
Pass. I'll keep my LCP-C and put the money towards a Mark IV. I'm excited about those.

That said, it's great that Ruger is introducing new stuff.
 
One of the issues LCPs have had in the past was having the take down pin walk out of the frame. When I heard Ruger was doing a revision, I had hoped that they would add a take down pin retention plate like on the LC9. Guess not.

I know the new take down pin design is supposed to cure the walk out problem, but the plate would have made it a certainty.
Yep happened to me:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=807333

Ruger did right and replaced the gun but if it was a defensive shooting my Uncle would be dead.
 
One of the issues LCPs have had in the past was having the take down pin walk out of the frame. When I heard Ruger was doing a revision, I had hoped that they would add a take down pin retention plate like on the LC9. Guess not.

I know the new take down pin design is supposed to cure the walk out problem, but the plate would have made it a certainty.

I've owned LCPs for years and NEVER had the takedown pin walk out. The takedown pin is a real you know what to remove in the first place(you have to pry it out). More than likely people don't reinstall the pin properly. The LCP takedown pin is spring captured so walking out is nearly impossible.
 
I've owned LCPs for years and NEVER had the takedown pin walk out. The takedown pin is a real you know what to remove in the first place(you have to pry it out). More than likely people don't reinstall the pin properly. The LCP takedown pin is spring captured so walking out is nearly impossible.

Mine was a problem. I also tried a Tandem Kross replacement, even if you install it correctly, it can rotate when you fire the gun, enabling it to walk also.
I called Ruger, who sent the newer style pin with the deeper groove around the circumference of the pin. Seems to work OK, though I haven't put a lot of rounds through the LCP with the new pin.

The fact that Ruger re-designed the pin indicates that the original was a problem for more than a few people.
 
I handled and dry fired the new LCP II today at a local gun shop. The trigger pull is long but soft until all the take-up is taken up, then the trigger cocks the hammer back a short distance and then releases it to fire. It felt to me that Ruger had relocated the pre-cocked position of the hammer further back, perhaps to 80%, where in the old LCP it may have been at 40%.

It didn't really feel like a single action, because it wasn't just the creep of positive sear/hammer engagement to overcome. Now that I have dry fired it myself, I no longer feel that single action is how I would describe it. It had the feel of a short pull double action revolver, if that is even a thing. Perhaps a 1/4 inch to break once the take up was out.

I did not examine the fire control parts, and am still interested in seeing them in action. I did not buy the pistol because in hand it seemed about the same to me as my LCP (handling wise). The extremely short grip reminded me of how much I prefer just a little bit more grip length as well as width, even in a pocket 380.

If I did not have my LCP and was looking for a thin and light pocket 380, I'd probably pick one up for the $299. For now though, an RM380 remains in my back pocket holster.
 
The appeal of the RM 380 to me is that it is so similar to the Rohrbaugh R9, the downside is that I can get something like a TCP for a lot less and almost every other .380 ACP pocket pistol out there has better sights than the RM380...


Decisions decisions... :(
 
I'm going to buy one if only because I've switched to a G-23 for my big CC gun and this new LCP will be a closer platform match than my old LCP.
 
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