Lee "APP" press

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I bought one when they first came out. Still haven't been able to get it to run right. I haven't touched it in a few years. Maybe its time to revisit it.

Mine had problems where the feeder wouldn't get the case all the way in the holder and where it would sometimes fail to go back far enough to let a case drop. Spraying friction surfaces with silicon spray (and allowing time to dry) got it running perfectly.
 
The real advance to the Lee APP concept is bullet and case feeding on a single station press.

I think it’s the pass through shell holder. That’s what I was wanting to play with and was going to machine but wound up using spring steel strapping for my “shell holder” and a linear guide instead of a press.

From the emails I have received about this machine,



An add on accessory for the app like that, allowing folks to size/deprime and sort by primer pocket, just filling a collator, would sell reasonably well.

Guess you can’t see what’s doing the work in that one.
 
Mine had problems where the feeder wouldn't get the case all the way in the holder and where it would sometimes fail to go back far enough to let a case drop. Spraying friction surfaces with silicon spray (and allowing time to dry) got it running perfectly.

I take the slide off mine and wipe it off good and spray it with dry lube. I use it on my Hornady progressive press to, after I clean off the case lube that builds up on the feed ramps and slide.
 
I think it’s the pass through shell holder. That’s what I was wanting to play with and was going to machine but wound up using spring steel strapping for my “shell holder” and a linear guide instead of a press.

From the emails I have received about this machine,



An add on accessory for the app like that, allowing folks to size/deprime and sort by primer pocket, just filling a collator, would sell reasonably well.

Guess you can’t see what’s doing the work in that one.


The pass-through shell holder certainly is worthwhile for the boolit swaging boys, and I do love it for primer pocket swaging, but every shellholder passes primers, so unless you cast your own, or swage, I think the feeder makes it....at least for me. I do like the pocket swager, but I'd buy one just to decrimp, since there's no faster way. Great time saver for those who love to wet tumble.

As for your magic size/deprime/sorter.....if you come up with such a thing for the APP, I'd buy one if it doesn't cost twice the price of the APP! I'm sure younger guys on the other end of life would pay more in a heartbeat. Look at all the people who buy Lyman's new progressive venture. More power to them! That ought to encourage you.:)

Having made 5 collators already....;AmmoMike's little one first.....I decided to dedicate that one for feeding pistol cases to the APP.(no bullet flip ramp required) So I printed up a large pistol case plate today and decided to add the TylerR clutch to it. Sure am having fun with that printer. Took you a year to talk me into it. Ha. I think it added a few more years to my life.

Picture of the plate below.....and below that the clutch parts.....the APP will love it! It'll feed everything from 9mm to 45 just fine....even .357 mag. Already tried that on another collator for the Pro 2000.

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Above: On the right is the part that goes under the plate...the 45% angle is repeated on the bottom plate surface to give more frictional area. 6-32 flat head machine screws go through it from the bottom, head is recessed.

On the left is the sleeve that goes on top of the plate, inside the hex columns goes 6-32 nuts. just screw the boles in and they self tighten.

In front is the handle to make it easy to lift the plates. I use nylon nuts on the same two screws. You can tighten the screws from the bottom for more friction. The nylocks don't need to change after the first snug hand tightening. Pretty simple....all credit goes to TylerR.


Update: Parts are put together and installed in the collator.......
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Tomorrow, I have to modify the outlet to drop pistol cases cleanly rather than bullets. Should be fun. The collator's a bit dirty....been stored for a while....time to clean it up. Christmas colors no less. ;) The clutch in the center was designed for the bigger collator's TylerR came up with, but I don't see where it'll matter.
 
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Hey guys I am going to get the rcbs small base sizing die for 223 for my A R 15 it said to make sure it cams over in the press does the app do that I like to size the AR brass in the app I have a lot to do thanks, Ron
 
I have a Summit Press and a Rock Chucker to size rifle, and they put a lot of pressure on the cases to "cam over" or at least stress over. But I flinch at such requirements for the little light Lee APP. I know Lee has a video showing him size, I think, 7.62 military, but I worry that that's abuse to such a light press. (my opinion) Guess you could buy another one or two for when something breaks. At least .223 is easier to size than larger rifle cases.

That's also why I would like to See RCBS create a casefeeder system for their Summit Press.....no lightweight, there. I've been toying with how I could do that, but I'm aware that that's a chore more suited to a jmorris skillset.;) But just the same, I bought some extra APP feeder/shuttle parts to see if there's a Frankinstein Summit/APP in my future.....:cool: Curious whether jmorris thinks there's any merit....maybe there's even a way to modify the base to take down-under dies, too.

I do like the RCBS small base sizers though....good insurance, without pushing brass all the way back to new specs. You should use a good lube, and if you're really set on using the APP for that, find a superior lube.....one better than a wax-based one, like Imperial......as much as I like it for most sizing chores.

BTW, I read a post by a Dillon employee in another forum, who said "all Dillon rifle dies are small-base dies." Wondering if he spoke the Dillon (true blue) truth? :)
 
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That's also why I would like to See RCBS create a casefeeder system for their Summit Press.

I haven’t done that one but I have used Loadmaster parts to make case feed for my Pro 2000.



The one I did for the SD was different scraps I had sitting around.

 
Well I just going to give it shot on the app press of 223 brass on the small base sizer then make up 5 dummy rounds to see if they function if that works I’ll load 50 live rounds and go to the range of to test the function of the rifle thanks
 
Better use a great lube, if your going to try it with the X-Press shell holder.

Yep.....he means that if it gets hard pulling on the case, the X-Press holder May not be able to hold on. Only supports the rim on two side instead of three. nothings worse than having a case stuck in a die and no shellholder to help pull it out.

Of the ones I've tried, sizing hard to size brass, STP was first but too messy, but a close second was RCBS water-based lube pad lube. Lanolin and imperial didn't cut it, when I first tried size old blinged LC .308 (7.62mm) machine gunned brass....and that was with conventional shell holders. Mind you that was the tallest test I've experienced. The Lee APP wouldn't have made it. .223 brass might with the best lube.
 
Yep.....he means that if it gets hard pulling on the case, the X-Press holder May not be able to hold on. Only supports the rim on two side instead of three. nothings worse than having a case stuck in a die and no shellholder to help pull it out.

Of the ones I've tried, sizing hard to size brass, STP was first but too messy, but a close second was RCBS water-based lube pad lube. Lanolin and imperial didn't cut it, when I first tried size old blinged LC .308 (7.62mm) machine gunned brass....and that was with conventional shell holders. Mind you that was the tallest test I've experienced. The Lee APP wouldn't have made it. .223 brass might with the best lube.
use this!!!
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Yep.....he means that if it gets hard pulling on the case, the X-Press holder May not be able to hold on. Only supports the rim on two side instead of three. nothings worse than having a case stuck in a die and no shellholder to help pull it out.

Of the ones I've tried, sizing hard to size brass, STP was first but too messy, but a close second was RCBS water-based lube pad lube. Lanolin and imperial didn't cut it, when I first tried size old blinged LC .308 (7.62mm) machine gunned brass....and that was with conventional shell holders. Mind you that was the tallest test I've experienced. The Lee APP wouldn't have made it. .223 brass might with the best lube.
The good thing about the Lee APP IF you're also using Lee sizing dies (no expander ball on them!) is you can pull the spent primer catcher, XPress holder and all, with just a twist of the cap, lower the ram and remove the depriming pin from the die, then drop a cleaning rod down all the way to the base of the case and pound it out without changing any of your settings.
 
Going to use Hornady one shot case lube i like that stuff expensive but I joke with the kids I spending your inheritance I just did 3 th 9mm for my Dillion square deal press taking out the sizing die don’t need to resize them again and I did 1th 45acp the other week so I want to resize the 223 before I trim them to length I only doing the calibers that are shot in the semi automatics there all glocks 9 mm and 45 acp and the 223 are a bench 24” bull barrel and my 16” been having trouble with 9 mm because of the Glock bulge but the lee undersizer die is doing the trick as for the 223 same thing is happening so I am doing them in the rcbs small base die so will see how that goes when I get out to the outdoor range
 
I tried to resize 9mm brass on my APP while de-priming with a carbide die and case lube. Let's just say I wouldn't try to resize any rifle case on mine. I was afraid of pulling the 9mm case through the shell holder. Or at least bending the rim on the head so it was distorted.
There is no way I would try to resize rifle cases on it.
Just because you could doesn't mean you should.
 
I tried to resize 9mm brass on my APP while de-priming with a carbide die and case lube. Let's just say I wouldn't try to resize any rifle case on mine. I was afraid of pulling the 9mm case through the shell holder. Or at least bending the rim on the head so it was distorted.
There is no way I would try to resize rifle cases on it.
Just because you could doesn't mean you should.
That's strange. I've resized random p/u range .40 and 9mm on my APP and just use sewing machine oil for lube. Not even spray on, Singer oil in the squeeze bottle. Dump couple hundred cases in a baggie, squirt in some Singer oil and shake-shake-shake! (70's disco reference, sorry;) couldn't help myself) It wasn't even stiff. And mine's mounted to an old pine barstool from Wall-E-World.
 
How hard is that to get off the cases after resizing?
I use something like that on my smoker but it is a grease/oil not a wax. It is some slimy stuff though, I don't doubt it would make resizing easier.
not easy but lots of rags and rubbing alcohol, come clean in 30min per 1,000
 
and make sure you guys wear gloves! Rubbing alcohol can easy absorb through the skin.

If you become ill, drink 3-4 shots of Scotch, the rubbing alcohol molecule will bond to the ethanol and flush out… or something like that, but that’s how they treat Rubbing Alcohol poisoning
 
That's strange. I've resized random p/u range .40 and 9mm on my APP and just use sewing machine oil for lube. Not even spray on, Singer oil in the squeeze bottle. Dump couple hundred cases in a baggie, squirt in some Singer oil and shake-shake-shake! (70's disco reference, sorry;) couldn't help myself) It wasn't even stiff. And mine's mounted to an old pine barstool from Wall-E-World.
Difference between one shot wax and a very high grade oil. I don't doubt it, never tried Singer oil for resizing but we use it at work for a spot oil and when I get it on my hands I know it.
I'll ask you the same question I asked Mark_Mark. How hard is it to get off the case because that kind of oil could contaminate gun powder if it got the chance.
 
Difference between one shot wax and a very high grade oil. I don't doubt it, never tried Singer oil for resizing but we use it at work for a spot oil and when I get it on my hands I know it.
I'll ask you the same question I asked Mark_Mark. How hard is it to get off the case because that kind of oil could contaminate gun powder if it got the chance.
Dry tumble in walnut. Comes right off.
 
nothings worse than having a case stuck in a die and no shellholder to help pull it out.

It’s worse if your not using a Dillon or at least a Lee die. Both of them are much easier to get a stuck case out of than most other dies, like RCBS for example.

I was never a fan of One Shot, it’s the worst lube I have used, that is marketed and sold as case lube. Hornady’s Unique lube is a good one though.
 
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