lee autoprime handle broke

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Has this happened to anyone?

I'll email them and ask them if they'll replace it, but I was wondering, is there a better product that won't break?
 
Yes they do break at times. Their instructions tell you to lube them. Yes parts are available, but then again they only cost $12.00 for a complete new one. Yes better ones are available that are less likely to break. Some folks can break an anvil. Prices will go all the way to $100 to $200.
 
I have an auto prime set up for each size and I keep spare parts on hand. I had the top come off a body back in the early days. Good tool, but like any piece of machinery, it wears and needs repair, thats why I keep two in running order and spare parts on hand.
 
Unlike the previous posts, I break those levers frequently. Maybe every 2000 rounds or so, but I like my primers set tight. They're crap handles, despite the tool being awfully effective.

You can get spare handles easy enough. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=227351

I now use the RCBS Universal which is a lot more durable. I doubt anything will break on this unit, but it's not as ergonomic nor does it generate as much force as the Lee tool. Of course it costs a lot more too.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=319794
 
The Sinclair International hand priming tool is machined stainless steel, maybe it woud be strong enough you couldn't break it. ??

I've used two Lee AutoPrimes, large/small, for something like 20 years with no problems. But, if it's unusually hard to seat I stop and find out why.
 
Maybe five of those levers, maybe more, have snapped off for me.

I have also had the shell holder end of the tool crack. Maybe three of these.

Then the dog bone lever, indented so much that I have replaced a few.

Lee Autoprime tools are made cheap and parts break frequently.
 
I guess I have been lucky - no broken handle YET. :D

MidwayUSA got them for $2 and may order a spare on my next order from them. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=227351

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Has this happened to anyone?

I'll email them and ask them if they'll replace it, but I was wondering, is there a better product that won't break?

EVERYONE BREAKS THE HANDLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

More cheap Lee potmental crap. Here's an exchange I had with Lee, himself, a while back. I use the Auto-Prime for small pistol primers, but it's horrible for large pistol primers. I keep two Auto-Prime setups, one for large and one for small. I just noticed, last night, that my replaced large prime lever has a bow to it, and I haven't used it much. In a desperate move before a bowling pin match, I shot the bottoms of large primers with case lube to aid in seating. While it did that, the lube fouled several primers.

I bought the RCBS to cure the large-primer problem.

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I prime off press, and this puppy is fantastic. Every primer seats properly and easily. If Lee ever makes the lever out of steel, and curves the thing so the edges don't jam into my fingers, I might consider using it, again.

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Sent: Wed 7/16/08 4:30 PM
To: John Lee ([email protected])

No mashing problems, here. The tool doesn't have enough leverage to mash a primer. On a good squeeze, it just gets the primers to seat to an operative depth. Time has taught me that after loading a box it's necessary to run my finger across the headstamps and cull the high primer rounds.

On .45 ACP, the seating is often so high that spent rounds show scrape marks across the primers.

Thankfully, most of my revolvers have enough clearance between the cylinder and the frame to accommodate the tool's typically high seating.

That's why everyone breaks the levers.

> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:13:27 -0500
> To: [email protected]
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Bent Handles
>
> At 03:59 PM 7/15/2008, you wrote:
>
> >For John Lee
> >
> >John:
> >
> >Thanks for the call. In response to your conclusion that if the
> >handle on the Auto Prime were weak, you'd see more complaints, have
> >a look at this site. It seems to be a well known problem. Even the
> >users who prefer the Lee to the RCBS admit that the handle is a weak area.
> >
> >http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=329291
>
> If you are bending the lever you are pushing too hard. We talk to
> people all the time that have primed more than a quarter of a millon
> rounds without a hitch. They wear out the connecting rod but never
> break the lever.
>
> Find out why your primers are going in so hard rather than pushing
> harder on the lever. Imagine the improvement to your loads if you
> would stop mashing your primers into the primer pocket!
>
> Read the reviews on the Lee Auto-Prime from the Midway Site you find
> many of those users question how others could break a lever.
>
> Regardless, send in your bent lever and we will replace it at no charge.
>
>
>
> Sincerely
>
> John Lee, President
>
 
The Lee tool is cheap, and handy. Yeah, it breaks here and there, occasionally, but parts are cheap. You can get 10,000 out of it before breakage, if you keep it grease lubed on the area where the handles pivots, and on the round area on the gray potmetal piece where it rubs on the priming shaft. It's nice to be able to prime brass in front of the TV. It would be nice if Lee offered it in all steel, but then they'd never sell replacement parts.
 
John Lee, President:

If you are bending the lever you are pushing too hard. We talk to people all the time that have primed more than a quarter of a million rounds without a hitch. They wear out the connecting rod but never break the lever.

Find out why your primers are going in so hard rather than pushing harder on the lever. Imagine the improvement to your loads if you would stop mashing your primers into the primer pocket!

I haven't met that 250K+ mark without breakage, but working hard towards it (100K+ and counting) on my Auto Prime. And yes, I have mashed primers with the Auto Prime in the earlier days of hand priming. :D I have learned better since then.

I do agree with smoking357 that small primers are easier to seat than the large primers.


Maybe I am doing something different from those that are breaking the handle. Since I size/deprime separately on a single stage press, I inspect primer pockets of some of the cases as part of my quality control checks (I tumble before I size/deprime). I have run across some range brass with really caked on dirty primer pockets. I suspect that some harder to hand prime cases maybe caused by caked on fouling in the pockets. A quick twist of Lee primer pocket cleaner solves these dirty primer pockets.

Another cause of harder to hand prime is military crimped cases. I try to sort these cases out and ream the military crimp out (3-5 twists of Lee chamfer and deburring tool usually do the job).

I normally hand prime with my right thumb; but when I come across harder to prime cases, I give a firm squeeze using both thumbs. If that does not seat the primer all the way, I press down on the primer tray (it is spring tensioned) and remove the case. I finish seating the protruding primer on the single stage or the progressive press. If I really feel hard resistance to seating, I mark the case bottom with permanent marker and the case gets scrapped after shooting when I sort by caliber.

If I come across a definite resistance, I check the case to primer alignment by repositioning the case. If the primer does not seat, it's usually a military crimped case. I usually clean and oil all contact spots with Breakfree or leftover oil from oil change before each hand priming session.

I hope this will help others prevent handle breakage. Even with the $2 spare handle, I am happy with the $12 investment I made on the Auto Prime. :D
 
Also, due to the primer shortage, I have been hand priming Wolf and PMC primers since last year (to save my Winchester stock) and found them to be a bit tighter in the pocket than Winchester/CCI primers - I just use two thumbs instead of one.
 
I've got a couple of the old model Lee hand priming tools that take the screw in shell holders and the same design for the handle ect. Wish they still made them, as one can adjust the depth of the primer. This is one reason I like the K & M tool as its adjustable also.
 
The last thing I'm going to do is buy a space eating contraption like the $90.00 RCBS Bench Mounted Priming Tool when I can use the $12.00 Lee Precision Auto Prime sitting or standing anywhere I want and prime faster and easier. For less $$$ I can get a Lee Precision Classic Cast Single Stage Press (takes up less space) and do everything the RCBS priming contraption can do and everything else required for reloading as well. Obviously out of every 100 users you will have a couple who are "challenged" and need expensive and complicated solutions to a "problem" that never existed in the first place. Imagine the nerve of John Lee offering to fix his inexpensive Auto Prime for free. Note to self - never spray case lube in primer pockets. Common sense is in short supply.
 
The last thing I'm going to do is buy a space eating contraption like the $90.00 RCBS Bench Mounted Priming Tool when I can use the $12.00 Lee Precision Auto Prime sitting or standing anywhere I want and prime faster and easier. For less $$$ I can get a Lee Precision Classic Cast Single Stage Press (takes up less space) and do everything the RCBS priming contraption can do and everything else required for reloading as well. Obviously out of every 100 users you will have a couple who are "challenged" and need expensive and complicated solutions to a "problem" that never existed in the first place. Imagine the nerve of John Lee offering to fix his inexpensive Auto Prime for free. Note to self - never spray case lube in primer pockets. Common sense is in short supply.
Some people settle for "good enough". Some people seek precision. It's good that the marketplace has provided products for each group.
 
You are right. And your RCBS primer is well regarded. I just get tired of people running down Lee Precision - they generally make good/great products at a great price. But, again, you are right. I definitely fall into the "good enough" catagory and to each his own. I do believe in the "marketplace."
 
I'm using wolf primers so I have to push hard on them.

I'm going to buy extra levers and see if placing the force closer to the pivot will help avoid another break.
 
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