Lee ermy On Glocks and caliber selections

[gym]

I'll post the utube link, but you have to add the "www's", as to keep with THR policy of no live links. He basically says that Glocks are number 1 and that 45 should replace the 9mm. I know this will create a stir in here, and we heard these discussions for years, and frankly I never expected him to be that public about this subject. But he says it straight up and down, 2 points he makes is a 45 in the chest will stop any attacker, where as it takes 3 rounds of 9mm to do the same job, and that Glock is the number 1 choice in his opinion for handguns. Both points can be argued to death, and that isn't why I posted it.
I just didn't expect he would be this vocal, considering his position as spokesperson for so many products and the military channel's involvement with him.
"http://.youtube.com/watch?v=4yr_cM8kvig&feature=related"
I believe as a hangun owner for 44 years or more, that one should have both caliber pistols, and I do have Glocks in both calibers. But I also have other handguns in the same and other calibers , who knows what ammo will be available should the worse actually happen.
Correction, he is with "team Glock", now it makes sense

 

[Old krow]

I watched it. Pretty decent. I dunno about the 3-4 times with a 9mm part though. That seems a stretch, but I got the jist of it. I'm a fan of both rounds. In fact, it wouldn't hurt my feelings to reduce all of mine to .45 or 9mm, except the revolvers of course. Both are pretty common and both are useful.

I've been toying with the idea of getting a G21 here lately. Unfortunately our ranges here do not rent guns so I'd have no way to try one out.

 

[yeti]

you have to add the "www's", as to keep with THR policy of no live links.

I believe it is a preference to not "Hot Link," not a prohibition of live links.

Hey, I have been know to be wrong once or twice in the past, but no live links would be a major burden.

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OK, now I gotta go listen to the Gunny.

 

[yeti]

Don't agree with everything he said, but I do agree more than not. I do think my attention would be pretty well focused after the first COM hit with a 9m/m, other than that, and different tastes in handguns, it was good.

... oh yeah, I have run more than 100, even 200 rounds through my 1911, in a range session, with out feeling it was gunking up.

 

[9mmepiphany]

I didn't find it surprising at all.

He is looking at the factors from his point of experience...the military

The Glock is the true successor to the 1911 as a modern military sidearm. It is today, what the 1911 was in...1911. Materials, design and production techniques have changed and been incorporated into the new design.

When you compare military ball ammo in the .45 and the 9mm, it would not surprise me if his views are not based on real world experience...perhaps from talking to the line troops.

His only talking point that I have a quibble about is his point of the .45 GAP allowing for more capacity in a handgun...it is the same diameter as the .45 ACP

 

[JShirley]

Linking to gun-related material is fine. Stealing bandwidth- hot linking- is not okay.

 

[HOOfan_1]

I've read Ermey's view on the .45 before in a gun magazine and I am pretty sure he has probably said something about it in a few of his TV shows, like mail call.

Also as you noted, he works for Glock as a competitor/spokesman.

 

[Big Bill]

I wonder how the Gunny feels about the Gen 4 Glocks? I'm nervous about buying one.

 

[DasFriek]

I think i pretty much agree with him even tho im no Glock fan.
But the gun plain ole works and the .45acp even in fmj which troops are forced to use becomes a much more capable round than a 9mm fmj when talking about stopping power.
Hollow point technology would make that decision harder if HP ammo was allowed for use in the military.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

There's one little problem....the idea that any soldier is going to fire 1 round at 1 bad guy and score a vital hit the first try is nothing but pure fantasy. Realism in combat is volume of fire. I'll repeat, volume of fire.

Two rounds on target, per target is the bare minimum. You draw, you get on target and you execute a controlled pair. You are NOT going to be thinking "well if I have a .45 that means I can get away with only shooting once". Nope, you shoot twice and reassess. Maybe you realize that your first pair was a little off as you haven't really had to use your pistol in combat that much. You give him another two. They were both hits. Good. He's still struggling, so give him one more to the dome if you can.

Yep, sounds like you shot about 3-5 rounds to take out that one bad guy. Except...you would have done the exact same thing with a .45. The only difference being, that with a .45 you're now almost empty. With a 9mm, you've shot less than a third of your rounds. That and it's easier to get back on target after a shot with the lighter recoiling 9mm.

Two smaller holes compared to one bigger one causes more trauma. Two smaller holes doubles the likelihood of hitting the spine or heart. Two smaller holes doubles your chances of even scoring a hit on the bad guy at all. More rounds at the target means more chances of hitting the target. More hits, more trauma, more chances at CNS hits, and more holes to bleed out of. Toss in the likelihood of a lot of your rounds being misses in the first place since on average, handgun shootings result in around 50% misses or more, and you're pretty thankful your pistol can hold 15-17 rounds instead of half of that.

Maybe the 9mm by itself has less knockdown power than the .45. But I would much rather be able to put 3 or 4 light recoil rounds on target and have a 1 in 4 chance of hitting his spine or heart, while still having 13 or 14 rounds left over.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

He basically says that Glocks are number 1

Well,he IS paid to do commercials for them.

 

[CraigC]

I don't care what he says, it's just cool that a popular actor believes as he does and is so outspoken on the subject.

 

[Joe Demko]

Is Ermey a combat veteran? Nothing a little cursory web searching turns up indicates such. I find references to two tours in Okinawa and 14 months in Vietnam as part of an aviation support unit. If he was in combat, did he use 9mm and .45 handguns with results that caused him to reach these conclusions?
I ask because, absent some really impressive first hand experience, I don't see any reason to grant his opinions greater weight than that of some random gun hobbyist.
Whatever he was, he's an actor and a paid spokesmodel now.

 

[longhair75]

I have no reason to question his integrity, but the question is whether Glock is paying for this endorsement. If Glock was willing to pay me, I could pretend to like them. Do you think all of those nascar guys really like M&M peanuts and Coca Cola? They are paid to endorse the product.

Forrest Gump: When I was in China on the All-American Ping Pong team, I just loved playing ping-pong with my Flexolite ping pong paddle. ...

 

[svtruth]

Don't own

a Glock, or a 9mm, but +1 to Ragnar's comment about ease of reaquiring target, I shot a friends Sig in 9mm, boy what a soft recoiling gun. Capacity is probably a good point as well.
Of course, Para makes 14 round magazines for ACP.

 

[gym]

Thanks for the heads up on the links fellas. I learned something new om Utube last nitht "of course while looking at something completelly different", How to use a crayon to fill in the Glock slide lettering, it looks cool and is easy to do, and the good thing is, if you don't like it, just wipe it off. A little hoppes takes it right off. It may not last too long but it only took ten minutes, now I did my mags, which is a great idea if you have several different callibers of the same type.

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

I like his car insurance commercial where he is a psychiatrist.....

Throws the box at the guy and says, "Maybe we should take a trip to Namby Pamby land...." Good stuff.

youtube.com/watch?v=b4qKSwc7UOY

 

[russ69]

...I don't see any reason to grant his opinions greater weight than that of some random gun hobbyist.

He's THE GUNNY you jackwagon, now lets get with it! LOL!

Thanx, Russ

 

[MikePGS]

Weird, the guy who is paid to endorse Glocks says that Glocks are the best? What a coincidence

 

[bearmgc]

Indeed.

 

[JoeSlomo]

There's one little problem....the idea that any soldier is going to fire 1 round at 1 bad guy and score a vital hit the first try is nothing but pure fantasy.

Up close, shot strings are where it's at.....

 

[rjrivero]

I want one of them "Team Glock" Marine Corps style hats.

 

[Sevenfaces]

I prefer the .45 over the 9mm for a number of reasons. Though to be honest, I do prefer to have more than 7 shots. (sorry 1911) I also agree with Ragnar, for military applications, it is the ability to fire and keep firing, that matters.

Thats why during WWII the Russians favored the PPsH over the Mosin Nagants, in urban enviroments, the high capacity, smaller bullet, was more useful. That being said, I feel the 9-10 rounds of .45 my G30 has is plenty for me, since I'm not in a combat situation, if I need more than 10 shots in any SD situation, I'm already dead.

 

[ljnowell]

I gotta say, this is the most creative way to start a 9 vs 45 debate!!

 

[Afterfire]

Each caliber has it's benefits, and drawbacks.

Comparing the two is not really apples and oranges though, much more like red delicious vs. granny smith. Some like sweet and some tart.

For me, in a combat situation, I'll take the highest amount of a reasonably powered round vs. lower round count of a higher powered caliber.