Legal to carry in the National Parks now

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Currently it is NOT legal to carry in a national park (as of May 20, 2009). the bill went to the house and was not stripped of the national park addition to the CC bill.

However, Obama still has to sign the bill into law. Which the white house has said he will do. Once he signs the bill, it becomes law subject to any "activation date" contained in the bill which would delay the start of legal national park carry with a CCW. As I haven't read the bill, I don't know if there is any delay built into it or not.

It is a HUGE victory for our side.
 
After it does pass will someone please send the Brady Campaign a picture of yourself on a National trail holding an ak-47? :neener: X
 
I thought it was funny that the (anti-gun) woman who was quoted on NPR was complaining that they slipped this in at the last minute.

Sorry toots, that's a play right out of your team's playbook. If you want to retroactively eliminate all gun-related "last minute" addendums, I'm fine with that. Start with the Hughes Amendment, please, and sign me up for a full-auto FN P90.
 
It sounds like it will go through, but I wonder who has the jurisdiction on this?? Is it state, or since it's a "national" park, it's more of a federal thing??

If you were in Yosemite, CA, you'd have to carry your handgun in a LOCKED case with magazines UNLOADED...now that ain't much of a protection when you need it.

My Utah and NV CCW wouldn't be so useful then.
 
The jurisdiction will be who already has jurisdiction on federal land - federal authorities, like Park rangers. If an incident happens that they feel needs to go to the state patrol, etc., that's their call.

If you are in CA, and you have a CC license, you are NOT required to carry your gun broken down in a box. So in Yosemite, you can carry analogously to how you carry anywhere else in the state. That is how the previous law worked, so this one is just the same. The annoying thing is that in states with open carry laws, that is still banned. But for those who live in states that refuse to allow citizens to "bear" arms, you are still out of luck. Maybe it will motivate some to get serious about fixing those states laws...
 
I didn't see it still banned open carry, the one I read said carry. I think carrying a rifle on some of the parks would be an excellent idea - bear and 9mm don't go together to well.
 
My understanding is this new one strikes down the entire gun ban and brings the parks in line with local state law, whereas the old one only lifted the ban for concealed pistols.
 
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My understanding is this new one strikes down the entire gun ban and brings the parks in line with local state law, whereas the old one only lifted the ban for concealed pistols.
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OK, the synopsis I read used language like the DOI rules. If that is true, that's WONDERFUL. The lack of open carry, even in states where allowed, was really galling to me, and I had lobbied to the DOI directly about it. I have not read the language directly today (searched but did not find it). I will hunt up the actual language tomorrow.
 
The Gun portion of the bill also doesn't take effect until 9 Months after Obama signs it. So assuming he signs it within a couple days we can carry in National Parks sometime early next year.

(b) Protecting the Right of Individuals to Bear arms in Units of the National Park System and the National Wildlife Refuge System.--The Secretary of the Interior shall not promulgate or enforce any regulation that prohibits an individual from possessing a firearm including an assembled or functional firearm in any unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System if--
(1) the individual is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing the firearm; and
(2) the possession of the firearm is in compliance with the law of the State in which the unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System is located.

SEC. 3. EFFECTIVE DATE.
This Act and the amendments made by this Act shall become effective 9 months after the date of enactment of this Act, except as otherwise specifically provided in this Act.
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If the dems are planning on revoking that portion with another bill, why wouldn't they have just blocked the amendment in the Senate, or not passed the amendment when it went back to the House? Seems like that would have been the easy way to do it. And it's not like the bill wouldn't have passed if the amendment had been rejected. Judging by the margins with which the amendment passed both houses, a bill revoking it later would have a hard time passing.
 
There's nothing about concealed in the language of the amendment.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/amendment.xpd?session=111&amdt=s1067

(b) Protecting the Right of Individuals to Bear arms in Units of the National Park System and the National Wildlife Refuge System.--The Secretary of the Interior shall not promulgate or enforce any regulation that prohibits an individual from possessing a firearm including an assembled or functional firearm in any unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System if--

(1) the individual is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing the firearm; and

(2) the possession of the firearm is in compliance with the law of the State in which the unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System is located.
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Except that the key word in this new law is "concealed"
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Nope.

(b) Protecting the Right of Individuals To Bear arms in Units of the National Park System and the National Wildlife Refuge System- The Secretary of the Interior shall not promulgate or enforce any regulation that prohibits an individual from possessing a firearm including an assembled or functional firearm in any unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System if--

(1) the individual is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing the firearm; and

(2) the possession of the firearm is in compliance with the law of the State in which the unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System is located.
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That means in open carry states you'll legally be allowed to open carry.


LOL... Samgotit beat me to it. :)
 
And if I weren't posting from a supposed "smart" phone that can't even copy and paste we'd have had 3 copies of the text of the amendment all in a row :D
 
"Families should not have to stare down loaded AK-47's on nature hikes," said Paul Helmke , the president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

Why do anti-gunners imply that being able to have a gun somehow legally allows you to shoot everyone you meet? Allowing cars in more places does not make hit-and-runs legal. Removing sound-supression devices on cars doesn't make it legal to drive it through a schoolyard at recess either, yet this logic is somehow applicable to firearm laws without quesiton?
 
Except that the key word in this new law is "concealed".......
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Absolutely not. This law simply mirrors the law of the state where the NP is located.

Open carry of an AK47 would be perfectly legal in Texas, much to the dismay of the Brady folks.

I fully intend to open carry a Marlin lever action rifle into Big Bend next year.

In states where open carry of handguns is legal, it will be legal in NP's.
 
ALLRIGHT, I stand corrected. :eek: Geez... Unfortunately, for ME, in Florida, that means "concealed". (Please don't correct me on that "camping" exception, because no one knows how that's going to play out). I am happy just to be allowed to carry again in Everglades NP after that little teaser we had a few months ago.
 
Rep. Maxine Waters , D- Calif. , maintained, "American taxpayers ought to be incensed."
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So...... what does this imply? Gun owners don't pay taxes? What the hell does that mean?

How was the bill "hijacked"? Again, what does this mean? Are these two just out of rational statements now?

Gun control groups said a new kind of danger would be lurking once the ban was overturned.

"Families should not have to stare down loaded AK-47's on nature hikes," said Paul Helmke , the president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. He added that Obama "should not remain silent while Congress inserts reckless gun policies that he strongly opposes into a bill that has nothing whatsoever to do with guns."
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Yeah. That's about what I expect. Can't think of any real argument, so throw out the ever popular "AK-47" threat to scare people. That's what's going to happen here. People who would have obeyed the law before, are now going to bring AK-47s into parks and just go on shooting sprees against hikers. That totally makes sense.

I don't get how these gun control folk have ANY credibility these days. It's the same crap out of their mouths over and over, like a broken record that just won't stop.

There's nothing wrong with Ak-47s in the first place, but I just am sick of hearing Helmke throw that term out left and right to scare people. It's usually followed with a statement explaining, quite matter of factly, that AK-47s shoot 500 bullets a second that are designed to pierce armor and ignite people on fire when hit, contain plutonium, and were designed by Adolf Hitler himself using the burnt skeletal bones of disemboweled puppies for the prototype.
 
...''and were designed by Adolf Hitler himself using the burnt skeletal bones of disemboweled puppies for the prototype...''

ROTFLMAO!!DUDE,that was the best laugh I've had in years...maybe ever.
 
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