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Let's keep it friendly SIG OPINIONS the THR way

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by USMCDK, Apr 18, 2008.

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  1. USMCDK

    USMCDK Member

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    Hi every body (Voice of Dr. Nick)

    Well the MODS and ADMINS did say that I could start up the thread again...

    Originally posted by Stephen A. Camp

    So that is what I am intending to do here...

    So let us all please continue what we started just keep it polite.

    Let us see the good and the bad, let us discuss why we feel that way and how to go about making things better.

    I for one know that SIG is still a fairly respected company and in my opinion they make some really nice firearms.

    Some like the beaver tail and some don't. Some like SRT and Like just the ST. The real questions at hand are why.

    BTW this thread is not limited to just the questions I have ask, considering the title. OPINIONS

    So let's get this underway shall we.
     
  2. Darthbauer

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    I love my 226 blackwater but was not a fan of the 220 I got and have since sold. I have had other full size .45's (1911's, USP and XD's) but just really didnt dig the 220 at all. Im not saying it was a bad gun, just saying it wasnt for me. As for people talking about extractor problems on the 220, does the 220 combat have a different extractor? Just asking because when I had mine, that thing chucked spent shells over 20 feet away.
     
  3. wnycollector

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    The proud owner of two vintage SIGs (P220 and P226) plus a P6 on the way! The only auto' s I still own are SIGs...everything else is a revolver of various flavors.
     
  4. USMCDK

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    Hey Stephen that was not funny LoL!!! I was scared for a minute there thinking the thread got locked or something, but realised it got moved.

    The wierd questions is why in the Autoladers forum and nor general discussion??? I figured if I posted in a different forum room it would make things a lil better???

    Please PM me if you can about this, thanks.

    Oops sorry guys I got off topic... So how bout them yankee's I mean SIG's LOL!!!

    Seriously though please continue.
     
  5. jmr40

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    Sigs, Glocks, and 1911's are my favorite pistols. This month I prefer the Sig but next month it may be one of the others. I really can't make up my mind because I think they are all good.

    I like my 226 a lot but probably would never pay full price for one. Mine was a CPO model. As good as it is I am not sure it is $250 better than a Glock.
     
  6. JDGray

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    I like any gun that shoots straight for me:D CZs, Glocks, 1911s, and my one and only Sig 239. The thing I dont like about it(239) is the slide stop lever is right where I grip the gun, and it fails to lock open when its empty. But thats just me, if I dont grip it as high, it works fine. I shurly won't ever buy a new Sig:eek::)
     
  7. USMCDK

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    I am thinkng about getting a p232 for the wifey. they are still made in Germany and sent here, but that might be changing, I AM NOT SURE SO DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT!!! thank you...

    I think that the p232 would be a good choice for her to have as her HD/SD. I did look into the p239 but it's top heavey (well for her it would be) and I know from shopping around for her when we bought the walther that heavey weapons are not in her forta. So I definitly think the p232 is the way to go on that one. Any advise or opinions about that???

    Wait don't answer that I will start a new thread so this one will stay on topic about SIG and not just one weapon system.

    *Smiles*
     
  8. Samuel Adams

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    My wife bought me a SP 2022 for Christmas. It was a fine shooter but the grip was a bit large for my hand, particularly with Double Action. For that reason only I sold it in order to buy a CZ.
     
  9. AK103K

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    The P232 and its predecessor, the P230 are great pistols. Compared to the Walther PPK's, they are lighter and much more pleasant to shoot. Their DA triggers are usually very nice, and as with most SIG's, boringly accurate and reliable.
     
  10. JDGray

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    The CZ has a terrible reach in DA, ever the P01 I just traded, with the recurved trigger. Still my favorite guns, however:)
     
  11. Lonestar49

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    Sig P232 SL didn't make it for my wife.. sad

    ...

    As a matter of fact, I bought the below Sig P232 SL 380acp for the little lady and she never could bond with it.. The DA pull was way to hard for her little hands to pull "and control the gun". She was ok with the SA pulls, but did not like the little 380acp's snap/recoil, and found it very hard to rack the slide due to the much longer, stronger, return spring for its blow-back action.

    Long story short, I was disappointed, but could tell she was not comfy with it, so I bought her a SA EMP 1911 9mm SAO 9+1 and she's a happy camper with the SAO, light, crisp, sharp, break of its trigger each, and every. pull, along with, a much softer return spring, and she can rack the slide with no problem.. Add to that the grip is a bit thinner, but longer, for more grip and support, along with the beaver-tail, as the straw that broke the camels back was when she somehow (I know how) got slide-bitten, once, with the P232

    So, the P232 is up for sale, and she's confident with her more powerful, yet less snap/recoiling EMP 9mm, along with, its easy mags to load, and to get out with a side mag release button and pop the next one straight up and in. Unlike the P232's Euro bottom thumb-release mags and, one has to pull it out and, angle it, at first, in, before the mag will then, go up and in, straight..

    Now the dirty part: the P232's blow-back action gets the gun and mags dirty quick, as in, after 230 rounds, I had to totally clean this gun, and the mags, every time or else, right after 230 rounds, she would start to jam once per mag from then on.. Due to dirty blow-back all over and within the gun..

    Sigs aren't perfect for everyone but it did fire 100%. As has the EMP, thru 1400 rounds so far at 100%, along with 150 rounds of 124gr JHP's, and can easily go 800 rounds with just adding oil to the rails, vertical method, before I finally decide to clean it.. But I don't let it go quite that long, as I keep round counts on all my guns, and they get total cleanings at around 600 rounds, give or take.


    Ls


    Both are so good lookin.. Yumm, one just shoots more rounds per mag, with more punch, caliber/weight-wise, and the SAO trigger is sweet.. and 9mm is so much more, "cost effective" when it comes to buying ammo by the case.


    [​IMG]
     
  12. USMCDK

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    Lonestar49 that's you and your (American?) German Shepard??? in the background???

    BTW PM me the details about your p232.

    Mods and Admins please move Lonestar49's post over to my other thread http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=357118

    It would be more appropriate there, seeing how that thread is all about my last post, and keep this thread on track with the original post. Thank you Mods/Admins and to you as well Lonestar49 I am sure you will understand.

    USMCDK
     
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  13. Lonestar49

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    Not sure they can move it all.. but

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    I'm ok with it IF they can do it, but I kind of think it may not be possible, but it is Sig related.. lol

    And, sadly, yep that's me at 50yrs with my American Shepherd, 8yrs old, who at the time of that great shot of him, he was less than 3 months away (which I knew) from me having to put him down due to the Cancer that was Operated on, but only bought us the best last 5 months together until Sept 16, 2000.. and he looked just as good as that when that Black day came.. If only there was anything more I could have done.. but not.

    PM will be sent..



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  14. The Lone Haranguer

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    The good: The older, German-made "classic" P-series are outstandingly accurate (in slow fire) and reliable. New-production ones based on the "classic" design should be of equal quality. And their customer service is very good (but unfortunately for the wrong reasons; see below).


    The bad: none of them ever fit my hands well and I was unable to shoot well with them. And, the quality does not extend to their 1911s. One I bought in early 2007 malfunctioned and shed parts (I'm not kidding; firing pin safety parts flew off the gun) to the point where they replaced it for me. But then the replacement one broke. After the repair - although it seems to have the bugs out of it and has performed well - I put it on consignment ... this was three months ago and it still has not sold. I am afraid its reputation may have preceded it.
     
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  15. Stephen A. Camp

    Stephen A. Camp Moderator In Memoriam

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    If a single post can be moved to another thread, I'm not aware of it. I know that a whole thread can as I've done it. Interested parties can follow your link.
     
  16. USMCDK

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    Very well sir thank you.
     
  17. Samuel Adams

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    That's why I bought the Single Action version of the 75B. :D Back to Sigs, I might like to try the P220 SA one of these days.
     
  18. 1BLINDREF

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    Opinions of Sigs.

    I'm a big fan of Sigs. I have a bunch and I'm always looking to add.
    I just added a P229ST to my "collection" and I'm waiting for the call from my FFL to pick up a P226ST coming from a vender on the Sig Forum.

    [​IMG]

    I bought my first Sig, a new P228 back in 1995. From that point on I was hooked. A new P220 followed about 2 weeks later. I loved the balance and craftsmanship that went into them.

    IMHO, todays Sigs are still very good guns.
    While I'm not a big fan of the new "bling" style guns or the tailed guns, I don't knock Sig for bringing them out. I think that bringing out railed guns made sense because of all of their competitors offer them. I only wish that they would have also continued to produce them without rails.

    I understand that business is business and they are in it to survive and make money. I simply don't buy the "bling" style Sigs, but to each his own.

    I do like the SASs and the DAK trigger system. My two main CCWs are a P239 SAS 9mm and a P229 .40S&W DAK.

    Stamped slides vs milled slides.
    OK - the big Sig debate. Which is better?
    Me, I like them both. I have quite a few of each.

    I believe that the milled slide was necessary to hold up to the higher presures of the .40S&W and the .357sig round.
    I liked the fact that Sig was the last of the mfgs to chamber a gun in .40S&W. Sig re-designed their slide to a milled solid block of steel.
    Others simply used their 9mm platforms and put heavier springs and a barrel with a bigger hole in it. They didn't hold up too well.

    I do like the balance of the stamped slide Sigs better than their more top heavy milled slide brothers.
    I shoot IDPA with a "KA" code P226. I really like the way it points and the way it comes up on the targets so naturally.
    The P228 is simply a work of art. I own and have shot many other mfgs 9mms and I've yet to find a better shooting 9mm.
    Of course, YMMV :)

    "To Hell and back reliability"
    This is where Sig appears to be having some issues that they didn't have back in the day. I'm sure we hear many more stories because of these Forums.
    It's human nature to tell "everybody" when they've had a bad experience, and only a few when they've had a good one.

    There is no doubt that certain new Sigs have some issues. P220 extractors and also feeding problems are well documented. CPO guns that have their finishes flaking off. Loose sights and stripped grip screws to name a few other problems that I've read about.
    Sig is aware of these and they seem to take care of most of the problem guns. It's ashame that their reputation for building high quality guns is suffering because of these problems.

    Personally, I've only had to send one new Sig back to the factory. It was a new P226 (with a rail :rolleyes: ) Sig had to replace the hammer and sear. It was fixed and returned in 9 working days.
    I can't even begin to guess how many total rounds that I've shot through all of my Sigs over the past 13 years. I think that only having had one problem in all that time is pretty good.

    IMHO, it is a sign of the times that we live in. The more high tech we become, the more potential for problems. In general, I don't think that todays workers take the same pride in their work as in the past. Just take a look at the automotive industry and newly built houses :scrutiny:
    How many products have you said "They don't make them the way they used to" about?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not a kool-aid drinker and I don't think that Sig should get a free pass, I just think that is the way things are now.

    The other problem is that Sigs QC wasn't what it should have been a few years back. I don't know if it was because of all the new product that they were trying to put out, or the numbers they were trying to make. I just hope they are doing a better job today.

    So to sum it up, I have had very good luck with Sigs. They fit me well and point very naturally for me, that's why I like and buy them.

    Sorry for the long post - but you did ask for my opinion :p

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    No "honest man" needs three P239's and two P5's.

    I can help make you an honest man, though - mail them to...

    Just kidding. Beautiful collection. As always, I'm jealous.
     
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    Lonestar, I apologize for a brief off-topic question, but may I inquire as to how big that Germie was?

    and REF, I love that 229 ST!
     
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    1BLINDREF, my hatred toward you just increased a tad bit :evil:

    I'm got my P6 on the way, however....;)
     
  22. Lonestar49

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    Wuff Wuff Hank

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    Sure Hank, since all my German Shepherds have been pure Sig quality dogs.. lol, we're close on subject matter here..

    That was RC, named after my first, (boy) and biggest GS, Rickman, who was by definition, of his huge size and weight, in his prime, of 139lbs and could run 37mph, a pocket-battleship. And after Cutter (our 2nd boy) Ricks, reincarnated spirit, who was a mere 108lbs, and a cruiser.. But RC, our/my 3rd boy, was the best of both their spirits combined, and was a heavy cruiser, at 118lbs.

    But then, by the time that shot was taken, and me at 50yrs, I had shrunk a 1/2" in height, and down to 150lbs at 5'10".. so I'm small and RC's head was BIG.. as was his heart..

    It's my biggest heartache of life, out-living them all, and our most recent loss of our last, boy, GS, Bear, some 6 - 7 months ago, also to Cancer, also at the age of 8-9yrs..

    Bear was the worst-case-scenario, as somebody trained him for one thing, and one thing only.. protection. And it took me 3yrs to get him to understand "family and friends".. but he was always in his world of protect and defend, and it was sad, as he never knew, or wanted to learn, what a ball was, and to fetch it and have fun, it just never made any sense to him for the many times I kept trying over the years. And when that boy fell asleep, I could fall down the stairs and over him, and he wouldn't wake up.. lol, he was OUT. But if someone knocked on our door, or he heard a car drive up.. the house walls moved by his roars/barking.. He was just wound up a bit too tight, and he knew it, and lived for it, and for my wife, myself, and the immediate family members and our close friends..

    All were rescued German Shepherds (one way or another) or from the pounds and shelters around here. And, all were around 2-3yrs of age with the exception of Rickman. Rick was only 2 at the most, but he lived for another 14yrs.. to 16yrs of full life and set the standard for all that followed and not one, ever, failed that standard.. all gave 100%

    I have no doubts why Dogs (all breeds) are considered man's best friend..

    Kinda how I feel about my Sig guns.. they, all 4 of them, have been 100% as well. And, they are there for us/me, rdy, if needed, and I trust them all the way..

    This man's second best friends..



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    When I started on this site I had just broken up with my fiance, and wanted to re-enter the hobby I had before my relationship which was shooting. Durring the course of our relationship I had sold off a few pieces to pay the bills, and when I came on I wanted to replace my 686, so I asked some questions, and got great informed answers, and replaced my 686.

    What does this have to do with SIG you ask? Well you were all so helpful with my 686 that your advice helped me narrow down a new auto to being a 226 9mm.

    I saw it online, and I liked it, I rented one in .40, and I liked it, I bought one new, and I love it! I put 500 rounds through it and countless dry fire w/ snap-caps to break it in, and I love it, I put SIG logo CT grips on it, and love it, and this afternoon I put on a Bedair guide rod, and it still feels Great!!! My first SIG has been awesome, it just feels so right to me. Cannot wait to strap on a TLR-1 to the rail.

    A 220 ST and a 229 40/357 are the next ones I am keeping my eyes open for. I am a dedicated SIG man.

    Respectfully,

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    I've owned 3 SIGs. A P220 9mm, a P225, and a P226ST. I put many thousands of rounds through them with only one failure. (The trigger bar spring on my P225 broke after about 4-5K rds, and SIG sent me a new one free of charge.) I have other centerfire handguns that I prefer over the SIGs (Beretta 92SB-C Type M & S&W 15), but I wouldn't hesitate to recommend a one.


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  25. JDGray

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    1BLINDREF, I now hate you,in a friendly way of course:D

    Beautiful collection!!!!:cool:
     
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